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N.C. Marine charged with threatening Obama
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Posted on 02/27/2009 6:31:43 AM PST by mnehring

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To: clamper1797

then we wouldn’t even be here chatting away on the internet, the world would be a very different place and we don’t know what we can or can’t do.


51 posted on 02/27/2009 7:05:09 AM PST by mnehring
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To: cripplecreek
It never included threatening to kill someone.

Bull crap. I've threatened to kill people before. So have you.

It is our right to express our disgust for people by saying that we'd like to kill them or like to see them die.

That right is secured by the first amendment. It is only when we act on that threat that we should be subject to prosecution.

I am willing to bet that there has never been an assasination of a president by someone who has publicly threatened to kill them. Assassins don't threaten to kill presidents. They just do it.

52 posted on 02/27/2009 7:05:16 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: clamper1797
And if those channels are no longer available ? ...

Then the next step is a popular revolt. At no time, though, should that include threats against the President's life.
53 posted on 02/27/2009 7:05:32 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (Let the 2nd American Revolution begin!)
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To: ecomcon

**********You don’t like him, go the legal channels******

You mean like the Supreme Court?? He doesnt have standing.

A threat like this will always be taken seriously, and he was stupid to make it.

Having said that, there are no channels that will listen .

We can only hope to survive until 2010.


54 posted on 02/27/2009 7:07:53 AM PST by Venturer
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To: 4rcane

No kidding. Go to the dummie underground site on any given day and see that kind of remark. These charges are baseless and reek of communism. Where’s the ACLU to protect this man’s right to free speech?/sarc/


55 posted on 02/27/2009 7:07:56 AM PST by SueRae
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To: reagan_fanatic

This POS is an enemy of the US, just as is Bin Laden.


56 posted on 02/27/2009 7:08:53 AM PST by ex91B10
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To: reagan_fanatic
At no time, though, should that include threats against the President's life.

Agreed per post 52

57 posted on 02/27/2009 7:08:58 AM PST by clamper1797 (FUBO ... The Kenyan Lincoln)
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To: SampleMan

You are right, I know how they feel about us.

Facts is that I have a Harvard Educated 1/2 Hispanic son-in-law. (who I love as a son) And I have lots of non-White friends, many on this forum.

All the MSM wants to do is divide us. They see that Southern states have been more driven together because of past events than the rest of the nation. They intend to divide us (the nation) and conquer us. (Subject us to a corrupt global government)

I will die opposing that.


58 posted on 02/27/2009 7:09:06 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Broker
Who will stop him?

The People......

59 posted on 02/27/2009 7:09:18 AM PST by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: reagan_fanatic

right. It’s dangerous.


60 posted on 02/27/2009 7:10:20 AM PST by ichabod1 (I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet (GOP Poet))
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To: LottieDah

Probably stated that he did not vote for him.


61 posted on 02/27/2009 7:11:14 AM PST by Common Sense 101
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To: Texas Fossil
They see that Southern states have been more driven together because of past events than the rest of the nation. They intend to divide us (the nation) and conquer us.


62 posted on 02/27/2009 7:11:31 AM PST by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: Texas Fossil
I will die opposing that.

I have already accepted that ... that may be my fate as well.

63 posted on 02/27/2009 7:12:35 AM PST by clamper1797 (FUBO ... The Kenyan Lincoln)
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To: P-Marlowe

>>>Gee what happened to the first amendment?

The First Amendment is not an absolute right. There have been limits placed on it. For example, laws against defamation, libel and slander; it is illegal to incite crowds to violence; obscenity can be regulated.


64 posted on 02/27/2009 7:12:36 AM PST by NC28203
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To: ex91B10
This POS is an enemy of the US, just as is Bin Laden.

And there was people on the left who thought the exact same thing about GW Bush. But both Bush and Obama were elected according to our Constitution and the office should be respected- especially by people in the military. If this guy really threatened the president's life, I'm totally lacking in sympathy for his behavior.

65 posted on 02/27/2009 7:14:06 AM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: mnehrling
sigh.

He is their commander in chief. Can't have that. I hate it, but (going on what little bit is in the article), the prosecution is correct.

I might even agree with him in principle, but he needs to learn to keep his opinions to himself.

66 posted on 02/27/2009 7:15:18 AM PST by wbill
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To: strider44

Careful Major. I advise maintaining the utmost in low profiles, even being on this site.


67 posted on 02/27/2009 7:15:26 AM PST by ichabod1 (I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet (GOP Poet))
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To: wbill
but he needs to learn to keep his opinions to himself.

Very soon we all will be required to do that

68 posted on 02/27/2009 7:16:24 AM PST by clamper1797 (FUBO ... The Kenyan Lincoln)
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To: ex91B10
This POS is an enemy of the US, just as is Bin Laden.

He was still legitimately elected as President of the United States, whether we like it or not. Don't believe he should be President - fine. Impeach him or force him to step down. Defeat him at the ballot box in 2012. Killing him or threatening to kill him should not be an option in a civilized society.
69 posted on 02/27/2009 7:18:20 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (Let the 2nd American Revolution begin!)
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To: NC28203
The First Amendment is not an absolute right. There have been limits placed on it. For example, laws against defamation, libel and slander; it is illegal to incite crowds to violence; obscenity can be regulated.

I'm sorry, but expressing the opinion that you like to kill the president should be a protected right.

A conspiracy to kill the president, or a threat followed by some action towards accomplishing that goal is and should be illegal.

But merely stating (in this case probably in reaction to something the president had just said) that you'd like to kill the bastard is a right that all Free Men should enjoy.

The first amendment protects our right to say stupid things. Expressing what is in our hearts, no matter how vile those thoughts might be, should NEVER be a crime. NEVER!

70 posted on 02/27/2009 7:19:07 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
...both Bush and Obama were elected according to our Constitution...

Prove it.

71 posted on 02/27/2009 7:19:55 AM PST by ex91B10
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To: ex91B10

Prove that Bush and Obama were not elected according to the Constituion.


72 posted on 02/27/2009 7:23:21 AM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: cripplecreek
"I just saw on the news that an Ethiopian has also been charged with threatening Zero."

The Ethiopian's case will be dismissed, he will receive a free home and will soon have his own reality show.

The Marine will be offered a final cigarette with or without blindfold.

Leni

73 posted on 02/27/2009 7:29:03 AM PST by MinuteGal
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To: mnehrling
Yes, this guy was a POS before this happened. He was previously charged with armed robbery and the threats came out while they were investigating the first offenses.

http://www.jdnews.com/news/five_61191___article.html/armed_robberies.html

Though I don't understand how he is a white supremacist while running around committing robberies with several black accomplices.

74 posted on 02/27/2009 7:31:59 AM PST by silly.kerry.trix.are.for.kids
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To: mnehrling

I guess since Lee Harvey Oswald was a former Marine, and is believed to have shot Camelot Kennedy, that this guy would have been seen as a threat, especially since he blabbed about it. Maybe he never had plans to do anything, and his actions were done just to get himself out of the service. Even though he’d end up being tagged with a dishonorable discharge and possible criminal record, some people will do anything to get out of a situation.


75 posted on 02/27/2009 7:35:14 AM PST by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: mass55th

See 74


76 posted on 02/27/2009 7:36:24 AM PST by mnehring
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To: SampleMan

So, where would that place me?/Just Asking - seoul62......


77 posted on 02/27/2009 7:37:50 AM PST by seoul62
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To: P-Marlowe

It’s never been legal to threaten to kill anyone.


78 posted on 02/27/2009 7:51:07 AM PST by Melas
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To: mnehrling

Thanks for the Ping to that link.


79 posted on 02/27/2009 7:53:55 AM PST by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: seoul62
So, where would that place me?/Just Asking - seoul62......

A. Your minority part is Asian, and that doesn't really count as a minority in their book (too successful, not whiny enough).

B. Forgetting "A", the Liberal term now for minority conservatives is "self-hater under the influence of Stockholm syndrome".

80 posted on 02/27/2009 7:56:09 AM PST by SampleMan (Socialism and Liberty are mutually exclusive.)
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To: ex91B10

Hopefully not even in is heart. I’m certainly no Obama fan, but I wish him a long life. I certainly don’t want to see two little girls at their father’s memorial service. That’s always heartbreaking, no matter who the father is.


81 posted on 02/27/2009 7:56:10 AM PST by Melas
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To: P-Marlowe
Bull crap. I've threatened to kill people before. So have you. It is our right to express our disgust for people by saying that we'd like to kill them or like to see them die.

No, I haven't. You should seek professional help if you do.

82 posted on 02/27/2009 7:57:35 AM PST by Melas
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To: mnehrling

I thought Marines didn’t make threats. Marines made actions.


83 posted on 02/27/2009 8:01:16 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Melas
It’s never been legal to threaten to kill anyone.

Really? Next time your wife threatens to kill you, call the police.

84 posted on 02/27/2009 8:03:03 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: cripplecreek

Then I will support the charges with the opportunity given to the Marine of full disclosure. :)


85 posted on 02/27/2009 8:04:06 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: cripplecreek

I think I meant discovery in post 85. I want the Marine to be permitted discovery.


86 posted on 02/27/2009 8:12:12 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Calpernia

Well of course.


87 posted on 02/27/2009 8:13:16 AM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: mnehrling

Making threats against the President is STUPID, but there is a much bigger issue at work here.

We are beginning to see anecdotal evidence every day now of the MILITARY turning on Obama.


88 posted on 02/27/2009 8:13:45 AM PST by tcrlaf ("Hope" is the most Evil of all Evils"-Neitzsche)
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To: P-Marlowe

It is illegal to threaten to kill the president. And I am willing to bet that anyone who publicly threatened to kill the president was unable to carry it out because they were arrested. And most threats/attempts/assassinations against US presidents haven’t been carried out by assassins, they’ve been carried out by crazy people.


89 posted on 02/27/2009 8:17:07 AM PST by Crystal Cove
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To: P-Marlowe

My wife has never threatened to harm me. What kind of screwed up life have you lead that you think these things are common?


90 posted on 02/27/2009 8:22:23 AM PST by Melas
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To: mnehrling

Go easy on the marine he did take an oath to defend the constituion against all threats foreign and domestic.


91 posted on 02/27/2009 8:23:16 AM PST by lucias_clay
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To: cripplecreek

Good. Because threatening an enemy combatant is not against the law.

Matter of fact, since he is a Marine, action is encouraged.


92 posted on 02/27/2009 8:23:38 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: SampleMan

Got it./Just Asking - seoul62.........


93 posted on 02/27/2009 8:41:14 AM PST by seoul62
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To: mnehrling

not smart at all..

agreed.


94 posted on 02/27/2009 8:52:21 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed.)
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To: lucias_clay

Who gets to determine who an enemy of the Constitution is? Can you imagine each person deciding on their own who the enemy is? A legal conclusion to this has not been determined- until then, Obama is holding the office of President of the United States. He has not been legally determined to be ineligible. One can’t just go around taking actions based on an opinion, especially in the military. If that is your opinion, apply for conscious objector status the next time you are given an order by the CIC- don’t react with illegal behavior just because your opinion is the CIC isn’t eligible.


95 posted on 02/27/2009 8:54:21 AM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehrling

I see so you automatically agree that heresay is proof positive. Your a well know lib on the board, please just go away.


96 posted on 02/27/2009 8:55:08 AM PST by sasafras (TIME FOR A RESURGENCE - FREEDOM IS NOT FREE - NO MORE COMPLAINING - LET'S GET BUSY!)
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To: sasafras

I am a well known lib.. lol.. I am discussing the concept of threatening the CIC- you don’t like it, hit abuse.


97 posted on 02/27/2009 8:56:07 AM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehrling

What scares me that if anything happens to Bambi, look at what we get with the next two in line !


98 posted on 02/27/2009 9:03:10 AM PST by Renegade (You go tell my buddies)
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To: mnehrling

Facts and objectivity, not heresay and speculation, in determining one guilt and innocence. Free speech is the first thing that will be removed by the libs.


99 posted on 02/27/2009 9:04:26 AM PST by sasafras (TIME FOR A RESURGENCE - FREEDOM IS NOT FREE - NO MORE COMPLAINING - LET'S GET BUSY!)
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To: reagan_fanatic

He was elected president. Legitimately? I’m not so sure.


100 posted on 02/27/2009 9:06:08 AM PST by Helen
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