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Exclusive to FreeRepublic ^ | 2/27/2009 | DouglasKC

Posted on 02/27/2009 8:34:48 AM PST by DouglasKC

Porn, Pot and Abortion

You may have read that the Obama administration has altered United States government policy and has sanctioned "medical" marijuana by ending raids on "clinics" where "medical" marijuana is passed out.

The use of quotes in the paragraph above is deliberate. It's my view and the views of millions of conservatives that there is no such thing as "medical" marijuana...or at least in the way it's being presented to the public.

"Medical" marijuana is simply a term for pot being sold for profit under the guise that it helps a plethora of medical problems. The "clinics" are essentially drug dens that are attempting to gain a little more respectability. It has been the policy of the United States government to raid and shut down these clinics.

Now here's the problem. There are many so called conservatives that support these drug dens. They say that it's a states right issue. That this isn't a power delegated to the United States government.

Clearly this is a debatable point. For example I would offer that it's in the best interest of the country to ban something that is in the worst interest of the country. For example if we had a communist power develop a drug that would make our citizens lazy and unproductive then nobody would argue that we should allow this power to freely distribute this drug in the United States. There would be no hew and cry about "states rights".

But nonetheless there are those who have seized upon the issue of "medical" marijuana as the ultimate expression of states rights. That's fine. That's their rights as Americans. But here's what I wish.

I wish they would be honest and apply the same standard to abortion and pornography. I wish they would stand up and proclaim that abortion and pornography are in the same league. Because if you want to embrace their viewpoint you MUST embrace pornography and abortion.

Abortion, by their logic, should also be a state right. Pornography, by their logic, should also be a state right. Yet the federal government has mandated, by court decisions and law, that the support of these issues are the law of the land.

Now I happen to believe the opposite. I think these two issues are so dangerous to the country as a whole that they SHOULD be banned nationwide for the common welfare of the union of states.

What happened? It's easy. Religious morality stopped in government. We went from a nation governed by religion based morals a government based on amoral, or immoral principles. And let me make it clear..when I say religious morals I'm talking precisely about Judeo-Christian morality...or at least what this morality used to be.

And here's what these so called new conservatives fail to conserve. They fail to conserve the religious morality that stopped our leaders from ruling from a non-principled viewpoint. They fail to conserve the idea that right and wrong don't come from man or man's laws, but from God, the creator of man. They fail to conserve the notion that certain things are repugnant to God and to those who have His morals.

They have taken up the mantle of the 60's generation. Sex and drugs. Don't tell us what to do. We don't like your morals. Once they succeeded in tearing down God, they began working on the government.

John Adams, the 2nd President of the United States said "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

Oh so true. Without morals and religion our constitution fails. It breaks. It doesn't work. It's inadequate. It can be twisted and shaped to whatever viewpoint the rulers want.

Pot. Abortion. Pornography. All of these are issues that a moral people and a moral government instinctively reject. But remove morality from the equation and anything goes. God save us.


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1 posted on 02/27/2009 8:34:49 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC
Good post. I agree. Thanks for compiling it. The sixties are back with marxism and communism.
2 posted on 02/27/2009 8:38:25 AM PST by utahson
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To: DouglasKC

Ayn Rand
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There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.


3 posted on 02/27/2009 8:39:06 AM PST by Red Badger (The Zero has more Chicago Bull than Michael Jordan...................)
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To: DouglasKC
Your precious "War on Drugs" has done more to damage genuine liberty in this country than the drugs ever could.

I'd have thought that folks would have learned from Prohibition ...

Apparently not.

4 posted on 02/27/2009 8:41:58 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: DouglasKC
Exclusive to FreeRepublic ^ | 2/27/2009 | DouglasKC

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5 posted on 02/27/2009 8:41:59 AM PST by Misterioso (Obama was elected not in spite of his color but because of it.)
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To: DouglasKC

You seem to be terribly confused. Let me help.

There’s a difference between killing someone (abortion) and looking at pictures of people having sex (pornography). There’s also a difference between killing someone (abortion) and consuming a drug never proven to cause harm (pot).

Does that help ?


6 posted on 02/27/2009 8:42:16 AM PST by jimt
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To: DouglasKC

Is there such a thing as medicinal alcohol? Medicinal cocaine? Medicinal morphine?


7 posted on 02/27/2009 8:42:46 AM PST by Enterprise (A Representative Republic - gone now. Foolish people.)
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To: DouglasKC
I'm convinced that Obama's team uses more than just Alinksy's methods. There is also the notion of getting inside the opponent's decision loop and working to a faster cycle time. This is reflected in the OODA Loop developed by Col. John Boyd (See "Boyd: the fighter pilot who changed the art of war" by Robert Coram. Great book.)

I think Obama focuses on Economics! Economics! Economics! and pushes things through rapidly. Then, the Republican party establishment bestirs itself, lines up it's economics exports, and prepares to speak intelligently about economic matters.

And at this point, Obama is talking about Porn! Pot! Abortion! and the Republicans are caught wrong-footed.

So now the Republicans will line up their socially conservative experts who will prepare themselves for deep discussions on moral issues.

Just as Obama starts to talks about Health Care! Tax Reform! Social Security!

Sigh. He's using superior tactics.

8 posted on 02/27/2009 8:44:28 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (American Revolution II -- overdue)
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To: Enterprise
Is there such a thing as ... Medicinal morphine?

Yes, there is.

9 posted on 02/27/2009 8:45:26 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DouglasKC

I think drug laws should be determined by States. States determine their own liquor laws and alcohol does as much if not more damage to people than pot, although I agree that is an issue which is open to debate.

Pornography is an issue which definitely falls under the constitution as a free speech issue. Whether we like it or not, until someone can define exactly what constitutes pornography, which will never happen, it is impossible to regulate. I know people who think any nudity in a film is pornographic. I don’t want the government determining for me what is pornography and what isn’t. We may not like pornography but each of us should determine for ourselves what we want to view or not view.

Abortion is a totally different issue. While I think it should be left up to the States to ban or regulate it, I can see a perfectly legitimate argument for the Constitution making it illegal. We are all entitled to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness unless we are in the womb, and then the freedom can be taken away at the whim of a mother.


10 posted on 02/27/2009 8:46:21 AM PST by yazoo
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To: ArrogantBustard
I'd have thought that folks would have learned from Prohibition ...

That's right. Prohibition failed because it wasn't a true prohibition. There were way too many loopholes.

Currently in Australia, the government is using prohibition in aboriginal territories to correct severe social problems with great success.

11 posted on 02/27/2009 8:47:53 AM PST by Moonman62 (I didn't compromise my soul to be popular. -- Jimmy Carter)
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To: Red Badger

There are so many laws, rules, ordinances. Everything requires so many permits, inspections, reviews. Thrown in taxes, fines and fees.

Unless you are dead, or near dead, somewhere someplace something you are doing, have done is guilty of some ‘offense’.

We’re all guilty now, just whether we attract the torpid energies of our tax supported, fat, idiot overlords.

Yeah. Tax me more for some couch bound pot head beating off to porn skanks.

Yeah. More government. More slugs with fat bellies, Crown Vic’s, warrant2 and guns, retireing at 42 with 70K pensions, full benefits and of course, full disability.


12 posted on 02/27/2009 8:48:05 AM PST by Leisler
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To: Enterprise

Medicinal cocaine? Medicinal morphine?

yes and yes


13 posted on 02/27/2009 8:49:04 AM PST by Unassuaged (I have shocking data relevant to the conversation!)
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To: Red Badger
There’s no way to rule innocent men.

As an analogy, would anybody watch football if there were no rules or enforcement?

14 posted on 02/27/2009 8:49:16 AM PST by Moonman62 (I didn't compromise my soul to be popular. -- Jimmy Carter)
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To: Moonman62
As an analogy, would anybody watch football if there were no rules or enforcement?

Yes, it's called rugby..............

15 posted on 02/27/2009 8:49:59 AM PST by Red Badger (The Zero has more Chicago Bull than Michael Jordan...................)
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To: DouglasKC

The author assumes that because he opposes porn/pot/drugs on the same grounds (religious) that others must either support all or oppose all with a unified rationale. This is a logical fallacy because the issues can be divided and supported or opposed on different grounds.


16 posted on 02/27/2009 8:50:46 AM PST by Nova442 ("Cry Havoc and let slip the Dogs of War.")
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To: DouglasKC
Mixed reactions.
Prohibition failed to reduce alcohol use by very much.
Prohibition DID finance Al Capone and the gang wars of the time.

Marijuana is a weed.

Wal-Mart, Loews, Sears, and every lawn and garden shop in the country has been selling us chemicals to kill dandelions and crab grass, for decades now.

How is the “war on dandelions” going?

The Crips and the Bloods would not exist, if not for the drug trade. (This argument is a bit weaker, since, I do not ever want “medical meth” or “medical crack” and today's street gangs sell far more than pot.)

Do you know what “Thalamid” is? It is also know as “Thalidomide” -— It was allowed in England, and caused the “flipper baby” birth defects. The stuff was given to help with morning sickness, in pregant women in England.

It DOES help with appetite and the ability to keep food down.

Now the stuff is legal in the USA for cancer patients. It costs about $7,000.00 a month, from what I understand. Most of the expense is due to the product liability. If a pregnant woman even so much as touches the pills, she will probably have a deformed baby.

http://health.yahoo.com/other-other/thalidomide/healthwise—d04331a1.html

Medical Marijuana can do the SAME thing as thalidomide, for a much cheaper price, and will also help with pain management and anxiety.

Think this through folks. It is not an easy issue.

However, I do like the fact that it is one more issue for people to be mad about.

Obama won because Obama had made few decisions in his life.

The more decisions Obama makes, the weaker he will become.

17 posted on 02/27/2009 8:53:42 AM PST by Kansas58
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To: DouglasKC

>> John Adams, the 2nd President of the United States said “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

Has there ever been a truly moral people? We are fallen — individually and collectively.

Equating abortion with pornography seems a stretch. Abortion is the willful taking of a truly innocent human life. Pornography is pictures of naked people. Both are a sin ... but certainly not of the same social consequence.

SnakeDoc


18 posted on 02/27/2009 8:53:53 AM PST by SnakeDoctor (Proud Charter Member of the Republican Resistance.)
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To: DouglasKC

“pot being sold for profit”

Sounds like a good idea.

Pot and abortion have NOTHING in common.


19 posted on 02/27/2009 8:53:59 AM PST by Retired Greyhound
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To: Moonman62
Prohibition failed because it wasn't a true prohibition.

Baloney. Prohibition failed because Joe Kennedy, Al Capone, et al. found they could make lots of money violating it. Same with the goons currently providing truly prohibited marijuana, cocaine, heroin, methamphetamine etc. to folks who want the stuff.

Good luck with prohibition among the Aborigines ... it works great in Indian reservations and Inuit villages. < snort >

20 posted on 02/27/2009 8:54:23 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Enterprise

Pure cocaine is very commonly used in eye surgery.

Morphine surrets, a kind of small foil toothpaste tube with a needle attached, has been used on battlefields for decades.

Morphine and heroin are excellent painkillers, and yes are still used, most commonly morphine in last stage hospice pain managemet,(i.e., doped until you pass away)


21 posted on 02/27/2009 8:54:32 AM PST by Leisler
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To: DouglasKC
It's my view and the views of millions of conservatives that there is no such thing as "medical" marijuana...

It is also the viewpoint of millions of conservatives that the federal government has no Constitutional say in regulating or restricting California's actions here if the pot in question does not cross state lines. That's the great thing about our government works (or least how it used to work) - if you don't like the pot laws in California, there are other states with more restrictive laws.

22 posted on 02/27/2009 8:55:56 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: ClearCase_guy
And at this point, Obama is talking about Porn! Pot! Abortion! and the Republicans are caught wrong-footed.

Federal regulation of porn and pot rely on the same open-ended interpretation of the Commerce Clause the New Deal and all of Obama's stimulus and reform programs do. As long as he keeps the Republicans talking about wanting federal regulation of those under the "substantial effects" doctrine there's no grounds for them to make any kind of constitutional challenge to his programs.

23 posted on 02/27/2009 8:56:54 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Moonman62
Currently in Australia, the government is using prohibition in aboriginal territories to correct severe social problems with great success.

I doubt prohibition for the entire country would work anywhere near as well.

24 posted on 02/27/2009 8:57:06 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Enterprise

Medicinal alcohol.

Of course there is. I keep a bottle of it as a disinfectant.


25 posted on 02/27/2009 8:58:42 AM PST by MetaThought
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To: ArrogantBustard

If I grew up in a socialist/welfare plantation, constantly immersed in the mindset of ghetto/projects/reservations/Democrat/Socialist mind think.....I’d drink my self blind too.

Australia has a history of socialism. Further the aborginioes can be thought of as either our urban/detroit/oakland/ black urban walking dead or American Indian reservation/plantation serfs. Another group, just to dispel the race element is of course Russians under Soviet socialism. So too the Irish under British paternalism.

Where ever you find velvet gloved socialism, you find dispiritism and alcoholism in mass amounts.


26 posted on 02/27/2009 9:00:08 AM PST by Leisler
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To: Misterioso

I think it means his/her vanity is posted here only on Freerepublic.


27 posted on 02/27/2009 9:00:38 AM PST by isom35
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To: Enterprise
Is there such a thing as medicinal alcohol? Medicinal cocaine? Medicinal morphine?

Bad example? Morphine is definately used commonly in hospitals.

28 posted on 02/27/2009 9:00:44 AM PST by Glock19C
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To: DouglasKC

religious nanny-statism? how is that different from any other for of communism?


29 posted on 02/27/2009 9:02:22 AM PST by absolootezer0 (thank God for Chicago: makes Detroit look wholesome by comparison.)
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To: tacticalogic

Exactly.

Republicans want their un-constituional cake and eat it too.


30 posted on 02/27/2009 9:02:26 AM PST by Leisler
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To: ArrogantBustard

So how is your bong this morning?


31 posted on 02/27/2009 9:04:54 AM PST by mkjessup (You're either with our Constitution, or you are with TKU ("The Kenyan Usurper"). CHOOSE!!!)
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To: tacticalogic
Clarence Thomas' dissent in Raich:

Respondents Diane Monson and Angel Raich use marijuana that has never been bought or sold, that has never crossed state lines, and that has had no demonstrable effect on the national market for marijuana. If Congress can regulate this under the Commerce Clause, then it can regulate virtually anything–and the Federal Government is no longer one of limited and enumerated powers.

32 posted on 02/27/2009 9:05:16 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: ArrogantBustard; DouglasKC

Doug, I see it didn’t take long for the Liberals to show up and start flaming on ya.


33 posted on 02/27/2009 9:06:25 AM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: DouglasKC

End the War on (Some) Drugs!


34 posted on 02/27/2009 9:06:34 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Jesus and the Apostles were Sola Scriptura)
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To: mkjessup

Have you stopped raping llamas yet?


35 posted on 02/27/2009 9:06:51 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Unassuaged; DuncanWaring; Leisler; MetaThought

Thank you for your answers. Of course there is a medicinal use for these items. And thank God for the pain killing effects of the opium derivatives. I do not believe that there is no use for marijuana as a pain killer, and if a Doctor told a patient to use it, then so be it. (Sigh, and yes, living in California, I am aware also of the issue of caregivers and “medical marijuana prescriptions”.)


36 posted on 02/27/2009 9:07:20 AM PST by Enterprise (A Representative Republic - gone now. Foolish people.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

so you are ok with a meth house next door to you?


37 posted on 02/27/2009 9:07:37 AM PST by tioga
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To: absolootezer0
"religious nanny-statism? how is that different from any other for of communism?"


38 posted on 02/27/2009 9:07:52 AM PST by Leisler
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To: jimt
Does that help ?

No. It does not help.

Perhaps if you explain why porn should be a Constitutional Right. Or why drugs should be legalized. Or why abortion laws are fine as they are now.

39 posted on 02/27/2009 9:09:27 AM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: DouglasKC

Exclusive to Free Republic = vanity post.


40 posted on 02/27/2009 9:10:23 AM PST by GSWarrior (To activate this tagline please contact the admin moderator.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
1) If the author of #33 feels (he clearly doesn't think) that #4 was a flame, he needs to grow a thicker skin.

2) The author of #4 could, I suppose, be called a Jeffersonian Liberal ... but he doesn't much care for labels at all.

3) The author of #33 seems to be a very confused individual ... even more so than the author of the vanity post that we're discussing.

41 posted on 02/27/2009 9:11:12 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Glock19C

Please see post #36.


42 posted on 02/27/2009 9:11:22 AM PST by Enterprise (A Representative Republic - gone now. Foolish people.)
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To: dirtboy

The only way to truely enforce a prohibition is within a police state with severe punishments i.e. death/life sentencing, and even then you won’t stop all people from altering thier consciousness.
Inmates in prison can still get high if they have the right connections.
Prohibition just doesn’t work.
Abortion is WAY more damaging and sinful then smoking dope or watching porn, nobody has died from either but abortion kills every person it’s performed upon.


44 posted on 02/27/2009 9:11:37 AM PST by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: TheKidster

Why Hello Kidster!

Fancy meeting you in another DRUGS ARE GOOD thread!


45 posted on 02/27/2009 9:12:55 AM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: DouglasKC

How many are killed smoking pot and watching/making porn.


46 posted on 02/27/2009 9:13:03 AM PST by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: mkjessup; ArrogantBustard

Knock it off.


47 posted on 02/27/2009 9:13:05 AM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: isom35

Well, aren’t we blessed.


48 posted on 02/27/2009 9:13:30 AM PST by Misterioso (Obama was elected not in spite of his color but because of it.)
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To: DouglasKC
For example I would offer that it's in the best interest of the country to ban something that is in the worst interest of the country. For example if we had a communist power develop a drug that would make our citizens lazy and unproductive then nobody would argue that we should allow this power to freely distribute this drug in the United States. There would be no hew and cry about "states rights"

Excellent post!

49 posted on 02/27/2009 9:13:44 AM PST by AmericaUnite
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To: ArrogantBustard

I see you didn’t waste any time calling the WAAAAMbulance, you can dish it out, but you sure can’t take it.


50 posted on 02/27/2009 9:14:06 AM PST by mkjessup (You're either with our Constitution, or you are with TKU ("The Kenyan Usurper"). CHOOSE!!!)
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