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Parents told: avoid morality in sex lessons [UK]
Times Online ^ | February 22, 2009 | Jack Grimston

Posted on 02/27/2009 9:18:27 AM PST by Constitutionalist Conservative

PARENTS should avoid trying to convince their teenage children of the difference between right and wrong when talking to them about sex, a new government leaflet is to advise.

Instead, any discussion of values should be kept “light” to encourage teenagers to form their own views, according to the brochure, which one critic has called “amoral”.

Talking to Your Teenager About Sex and Relationships will be distributed in pharmacies from next month as part of an initiative led by Beverley Hughes, the children’s minister.

The leaflet comes in the wake of the case of Alfie Patten, the 13-year-old boy from East Sussex who fathered a child with a 15-year-old girl and sparked a debate about how to cut rates of teenage parenthood.

It advises: “Discussing your values with your teenagers will help them to form their own. Remember, though, that trying to convince them of what’s right and wrong may discourage them from being open.”

(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: culturalentropy; moralabsolutes; ungland
"Son, it's vitally important that you form your own views on sex without undue influence from the views of your mother and me. I'm not actually sure why we're having this conversation in the first place."

A values-free approach to reducing teen pregnancy is a self-defeating proposition.

1 posted on 02/27/2009 9:18:27 AM PST by Constitutionalist Conservative
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative
Remember, though, that trying to convince them of what’s right and wrong may discourage them from being open. ...to having irresponsible sex.
2 posted on 02/27/2009 9:22:01 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (PIE FIGHT!!!!!)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative

My parents were deeply religious and preached but as a 16 yr old boy I just wanted to get it on.


3 posted on 02/27/2009 9:22:40 AM PST by exist
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To: exist

Parenting is difficult enough without the government stepping in and telling parents how to parent. Parents should instinctively know the difference between what is right and what is wrong. It is important for the parent to instill a sense of discipline with their children early on so that they too know that difference and live by it. Leaving that responsibility to teachers and others is irresponsible parental behavior. Children should possess this knowledge before they even get to school and kindergarten. That is why christian traditional values and principles is so important to the development of any child so that they will be able to be independent and self reliant and successful in their adult life.


4 posted on 02/27/2009 9:33:04 AM PST by Ev Reeman
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative
UNgland...
5 posted on 02/27/2009 9:34:16 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - Dear Mr.President, Please make it rain candy!)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative

Yeah, sex has nothing to do with morality! /s


6 posted on 02/27/2009 9:34:33 AM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (American Revolution II -- overdue.)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative
Talking to Your Teenager About Sex and Relationships....but you can't talk about moral values?? Hmm..."Son, you are 5 years old so if you want to have sex with 4 year old Mary, the UK government said that we can't judge. If we were in the USA, until OBAMA tell AMERICANS that Sex with anything (girls, boys, sheep, trees, etc) is okay, we could tell you to WAIT."

I think the BRITISH EMPIRE's sun has set!!!

7 posted on 02/27/2009 9:41:38 AM PST by NoMarxist2010 (Rush: I hope he fails meant Rush wants Obama's SOCIALISTIC PROGRAMS to fail.)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative

A professional bureaucrat/politician:


Minister of State for Children, Young People and Families
Rt Hon Beverley Hughes MP

Beverley Hughes’ principal policy areas include leading the cross-Government agenda for children’s well-being, safety, protection and care; family policy including parenting support; teenage pregnancy strategy; Sure Start, childcare and early education, the Every Child Matters agenda, and extended schools. She shares joint responsibility with other government departments for youth justice and child poverty.

Beverley Hughes was first appointed as Minister of State to the then Department for Education and Skills in May 2005. She continues in the role and will now attend Cabinet when social policy issues are being discussed, as well as holding additional responsibilities as Minister for the North West.

Her most recent previous appointment was in May 2002 as Minister of State with responsibility for Citizenship, Immigration and Counter Terrorism. In June 2001, she was appointed as Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State in the Home Office. In July 1999, she was appointed Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State at the then Department of the Environment, Transport and the Regions, with responsibility for local government, regeneration, regions, planning and construction.

From June 1997 she served as a member of the Home Affairs Select Committee until her appointment as Parliamentary Private Secretary to Hilary Armstrong, Minister of State for Local Government and Housing in July 1998. Beverley Hughes was elected Member of Parliament for Stretford and Urmston in 1997.

Before entering Parliament Beverley Hughes qualified and worked in Merseyside as a probation officer and subsequently became Senior Lecturer and Head of Department in the Department of Social Policy and Social Work at the University of Manchester.

She was elected to Trafford Metropolitan Borough Council in 1986, and was Leader of the Council from 1995 until her election to the House of Commons in 1997. Beverley Hughes was educated at Ellesmere Port Girls’ Grammar School, Manchester University and Liverpool University. She is married with three children who all attended local primary and secondary schools.


8 posted on 02/27/2009 9:43:44 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative

The government knows more or better than God ... NO WAY. Do not be deceived by this type of advise.

Christians are in the world, not of the world.. We are to be a set apart people. So that the world can see our faith, behavior and Christ likeness. Be faithful. “

Joshua 24:15 “ ... Choose you this day whom you will serve ... As for me and my house ... we will serve the LORD.”


9 posted on 02/27/2009 9:47:55 AM PST by geologist (The only answer to the troubles of this life is Jesus. A decision we all must make.)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative

I guess I shouldn’t tell my 11 year old that even though all her friends have those cute little britches and shorts with words written on them to have someone look at their hiney that she isn’t allowed to wear them and should form an opinion of her own. Morality free.

I don’t think so.


10 posted on 02/27/2009 9:48:56 AM PST by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristoferrson VIVA LA REVOLUTION!)
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To: exist

Of course you did, as do most girls too. But think of how far you would have went without those guidelines and boundaries.


11 posted on 02/27/2009 9:49:29 AM PST by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristoferrson VIVA LA REVOLUTION!)
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To: autumnraine
Of course you did, as do most girls

Uh but I was a 16 yr old boy. Any girl who thinks like that is, as my grandmother called them, "worldly".

12 posted on 02/27/2009 9:58:31 AM PST by exist
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To: exist

Oh whatever.

Your grandmother wanted to project something to you that is unrealistic.

Just because girls don’t pursue sex as singlemindedly as young boys doesn’t mean it isn’t on their mind.


13 posted on 02/27/2009 10:02:53 AM PST by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristoferrson VIVA LA REVOLUTION!)
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To: autumnraine
Oh whatever.

Just because girls don’t pursue sex as singlemindedly as young boys doesn’t mean it isn’t on their mind.

Fine then I just won't have any daughters. Thanks for ruining fatherhood for me.

14 posted on 02/27/2009 10:05:53 AM PST by exist
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative
PARENTS should avoid trying to convince their teenage children of the difference between right and wrong when talking to them about sex, a new government leaflet is to advise.

So it doesn't matter if your partner is willing or not, because we wouldn't want to have to decide whether rape is right or wrong. And that whole age thing is just an arbitrary social construct which really doesn't matter in a world without right or wrong. < shaking head at England>

15 posted on 02/27/2009 10:08:24 AM PST by KarlInOhio (On 9/11 Israel mourned with us while the Palestinians danced in the streets. Who should we support?)
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To: exist

Sorry about that. haha

But it’s true.


16 posted on 02/27/2009 10:10:01 AM PST by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristoferrson VIVA LA REVOLUTION!)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative

What has happened to parents saying “Son/Daughter, here is what we believe, and this is what God tells us in the Bible.”


17 posted on 02/27/2009 10:11:28 AM PST by TommyDale (I) (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative

I wonder if the British government will be OK with the kids forming their own views on following the government’s laws.


18 posted on 02/27/2009 10:20:23 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative

This is a pretty blatant example of the state religion of secular humanism attempting to dogmatically censor alternative viewpoints, such as Christians. It is the responsibility of parents, not government, to teach values. (From a biblical perspective, for example, it is the job of fathers, not government, or even the church, to teach their children.)


19 posted on 02/27/2009 10:21:51 AM PST by Liberty1970 (Democrats are not in control. God is. And Thank God for that!)
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To: NoMarxist2010

“It’s OK to steal from the government and from government offices. We want to be open to alternative income options.”


20 posted on 02/27/2009 10:22:21 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative

Under communism the only morality must come from the government, not from parents.


21 posted on 02/27/2009 10:23:39 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (liberalism is truly evil. and liberals have no sense of humor either.)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative
You see... a man has a... a baseball bat.

And a woman... a woman has a... a catcher's mitt!
22 posted on 02/27/2009 10:35:19 AM PST by IronKros (The pig put foot. Grunt. Foot in what? ketchup)
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To: IronKros

This is the UK. You have to use Cricket terms.


23 posted on 02/27/2009 10:38:12 AM PST by dfwgator (1996 2006 2008 - Good Things Come in Threes)
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