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O.C. churches struggle to weather economic woes [Orange County, CA]
The Orange County Register ^ | February 27, 2009 | DEEPA BHARATH AND SARAH TULLY

Posted on 02/27/2009 12:35:17 PM PST by TheDon

When Capistrano Valley Church saw its donations dwindling over the last year, the church's pastor Heather Clark took some drastic steps.

First, she asked the landlord for a 20 percent rent reduction and got it. Secondly, the church's staff took a 10 percent pay cut. They switched from newsletters and paper bulletins to e-mail communication.

The church, which recently changed its name to Center for Spiritual Living, is not alone in its battle for survival. Clark said the 425-strong church experienced a 20 percent decline in donations over the last year. That is more or less consistent with most Orange County houses of worship caught in the economic downturn that continues to affect everyone from individuals and small business to major corporations and megachurches.

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The credit union has outstanding loans of about $3.2 billion that include about 1,000 churches nationwide. La Tour said the credit union used to grant loans for major construction projects, but funding sources have dried up so the credit union is mostly only funding critical needs.

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Saddleback Church in Lake Forest is also watching its spending and scaling down international missions, said David Chrzan, chief of staff.

"We're actually seeing more people come to church because people's faith gets stronger when times get tough," he said.

The church collected about seven tons of food during a food drive last week when Pastor Rick Warren encouraged his 24,000-strong congregation to give during this time of need, Chrzan said.

Saddleback Church's free money management classes are attended by thousands, some coming from as far as Los Angeles, Chrzan said.

"People are looking for help, resources and spiritual guidance," he said. "A lot of people are also helping each other out."

(Excerpt) Read more at ocregister.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: bhoeconomy; charity; rickwarren; saddleback
The article addresses the effect of the downturn on not just worship services, but also on other religion based services such as food banks. No doubt this is happening in many states around the country.
1 posted on 02/27/2009 12:35:17 PM PST by TheDon
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To: TheDon

when welfare goes up, real giving goes down.


2 posted on 02/27/2009 12:37:05 PM PST by ari-freedom (Hail to the Dork!)
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To: TheDon

I will not support churches that support ACORN, La Raza, MALDEF, liberalism, homosexual marriage, open borders and idiots like Rick “buy my new book”
Warren or prosperity phony preachers with trophy wives like Joel Osteen.


3 posted on 02/27/2009 12:37:35 PM PST by Frantzie (Boycott GE - they own NBC, MSNBC, CNBC & Universal. Boycott Disney - they own ABC)
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To: TheDon

Is this Saddleback as in Rick Warren phony Saddleback? The guy sucking up to Obama so Oprah will push his next book Rick Warren?


4 posted on 02/27/2009 12:38:36 PM PST by Frantzie (Boycott GE - they own NBC, MSNBC, CNBC & Universal. Boycott Disney - they own ABC)
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To: Frantzie

Dat be the same. Don’t be so hard on him, I think he is doing some good in the world.


5 posted on 02/27/2009 12:42:20 PM PST by TheDon
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To: TheDon

his choice of friends sucks though


6 posted on 02/27/2009 12:44:13 PM PST by txnativegop (God Bless America! (NRA-Endowment))
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To: TheDon

On a side note this to me seems to be a spirutal country club and not a church where the Gospel is preached

http://www.cslcv.org/about.shtml
* There is one power, one intelligence, in the universe. We call this power God.
* God is the source of all creation, nothing exists outside of God.
* Every person is a divine creation of God.
* Divine nature is our inheritance, all qualities of God exist within each of us.
* God is wholeness, we experience this wholeness as psychological, physical and relational wellness.
* All humanity is part of the divine and as such is one.
* Our thoughts create our experience.
* We are at choice in every moment.
* Through prayer treatment and affirmation we bring about changes in our experience.
* As we awake to the qualities of God within us, the world awakens.


7 posted on 02/27/2009 12:45:11 PM PST by N3WBI3 (Ah, arrogance and stupidity all in the same package. How efficient of you. -- Londo Mollari)
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To: txnativegop

I heard the write-off for charitable giving will soon be all but gone.


8 posted on 02/27/2009 12:45:30 PM PST by DonaldC
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To: txnativegop

He just wants Obama’s friend Oprah to pitch his new book. Any pastor who supports partial borth abortion marxists is no friend of mine.


9 posted on 02/27/2009 12:46:07 PM PST by Frantzie (Boycott GE - they own NBC, MSNBC, CNBC & Universal. Boycott Disney - they own ABC)
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To: TheDon

good works are like filthy rags..


10 posted on 02/27/2009 12:46:08 PM PST by N3WBI3 (Ah, arrogance and stupidity all in the same package. How efficient of you. -- Londo Mollari)
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To: DonaldC

It will be.


11 posted on 02/27/2009 12:47:24 PM PST by txnativegop (God Bless America! (NRA-Endowment))
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To: TheDon

...got to save that money to pay for Arnold’s new car tax, new sales tax, new income tax, etc., etc....


12 posted on 02/27/2009 12:47:59 PM PST by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: Frantzie

Hate to say it, but Warren is turning into a publicity whore.


13 posted on 02/27/2009 12:48:05 PM PST by txnativegop (God Bless America! (NRA-Endowment))
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To: Frantzie

Hmm, tell me more about this "prosperity gospel"?

14 posted on 02/27/2009 12:50:03 PM PST by bornred
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To: N3WBI3

I don’t think those receiving food and comfort would agree, but to each his own. :-)


15 posted on 02/27/2009 12:52:42 PM PST by TheDon
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To: BookmanTheJanitor

It was amazing to see these pols up there, patting selves on the back for kicking many more Californians out of their houses. On the other hand, we have the politicians we voted for....

I try to not whine about elected officals, but rather the voters who put them in office, again, and again, and again...


16 posted on 02/27/2009 12:55:02 PM PST by TheDon
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To: bornred

She has crazy eyes. Crazy smile too. The kind of look you see when you wake up covered in gasoline and hear a match strike.

He looks like a used car salesman.


17 posted on 02/27/2009 12:56:14 PM PST by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: TheDon
Templo Calvario in Santa Ana laid off six of its 35 employees, closed its 25-year-old food bank and cut back on its contributions to missions because of dwindling funds in the midst of a major construction project ....The church needs the money to keep up with payments on a $9 million loan for a new sanctuary......

Seems to me I read somewhere that the borrower is a servant to the lender. Looks like that's still true today.
18 posted on 02/27/2009 12:58:25 PM PST by slumber1
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To: TheDon

mistaking a comment that giving food and comfort is *not* the path to salvation via the gospel and saying that doing such things are not something a Christian should do should be pretty hard to do... oh well looks like you managed to do it..

“All our righteous acts are like filthy rags (Isaiah 64:6)”

Ill take the Bible over Warren..


19 posted on 02/27/2009 1:10:57 PM PST by N3WBI3 (Ah, arrogance and stupidity all in the same package. How efficient of you. -- Londo Mollari)
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To: N3WBI3

I’ll take Jesus Christ over Warren and the Bible. :-)


20 posted on 02/27/2009 1:15:15 PM PST by TheDon
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To: bornred

It is a pretty good scam. You pray to Jesus for a new BMW and a smoking hot wife. Jesus through in a few grand for movie star dental work.

Ah she “ain’t” that smokin. Her eyes are too far apart.

Note: I am am pro-faith and Christianity but anti-huckster.


21 posted on 02/27/2009 1:53:39 PM PST by Frantzie (Boycott GE - they own NBC, MSNBC, CNBC & Universal. Boycott Disney - they own ABC)
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To: TheDon

Yeah but...ah ah...but did Jesus ever have a best seller like Warren or did he ever meet the other messiah Obama?

;-)

Warren is a phony and supports baby killers like O.


22 posted on 02/27/2009 1:55:51 PM PST by Frantzie (Boycott GE - they own NBC, MSNBC, CNBC & Universal. Boycott Disney - they own ABC)
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