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Radio chip coming soon to your driver's license?
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | February 28, 2009 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 02/28/2009 4:24:21 AM PST by Man50D

Privacy advocates are issuing warnings about a new radio chip plan that ultimately could provide electronic identification for every adult in the U.S. and allow agents to compile attendance lists at anti-government rallies simply by walking through the assembly.

The proposal, which has earned the support of Janet Napolitano, the newly chosen chief of the Department of Homeland Security , would embed radio chips in driver's licenses, or "enhanced driver's licenses."

"Enhanced driver's licenses give confidence that the person holding the card is the person who is supposed to be holding the card, and it's less elaborate than REAL ID," Napolitano said in a Washington Times report.

REAL ID is a plan for a federal identification system standardized across the nation that so alarmed governors many states have adopted formal plans to oppose it. However, a privacy advocate today told WND that the EDLs are many times worse.

Radio talk show host and identity chip expert Katherine Albrecht said REAL ID earned the opposition of Christians because of its resemblance to the biblical "mark of the beast," civil libertarians opposed it for its "big brother" connotations and others worried about identity theft issues with the proposed databases.

"We got rid of the REAL ID program, but [this one] is way more insidious," she said.

Enhanced driver's licenses have built-in radio chips providing an identifying number or information that can be accessed by a remote reading unit while the license is inside a wallet or purse.

The technology already had been implemented in Washington state, where it is promoted as an alternative to a passport for traveling to Canada. So far, the program is optional.

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KEYWORDS: bho44; bhodhs; bigbrother; driverslicense; napolitano; realid; rfid
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Obambi keeps giving us more reasons to have Tea parties.
1 posted on 02/28/2009 4:24:21 AM PST by Man50D
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To: Man50D

I... don’t... like.. this...


2 posted on 02/28/2009 4:26:39 AM PST by allmost
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To: allmost
I... don’t... like.. this...

But, but, we can trust our government Can't we?

3 posted on 02/28/2009 4:34:11 AM PST by dokmad
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To: Man50D

If I squeeze the chip with a pair of Vice Grips, would it still work?


4 posted on 02/28/2009 4:34:11 AM PST by csvset
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To: Man50D; CodeToad

“I had no idea my wallet had gone into my microwave. Gee, my license looks fine to me. You mean it ruined some little chip thingie inside? Really?”


5 posted on 02/28/2009 4:35:09 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Man50D

Note from the article that even CA legislature banned this chip and Ahnold vetoed the ban. What a maroon!


6 posted on 02/28/2009 4:35:17 AM PST by PistolPaknMama (We're mad, but when do we get REALLY mad?)
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To: csvset

C5


7 posted on 02/28/2009 4:35:27 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: dokmad

Yes. They are here to help.


8 posted on 02/28/2009 4:35:55 AM PST by allmost
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To: csvset
If I squeeze the chip with a pair of Vice Grips, would it still work?

How about if you accidentally immersed it in water for an extended period of time?
9 posted on 02/28/2009 4:36:09 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: csvset

If my wife washes my wallet again.... will the chip still work?


10 posted on 02/28/2009 4:36:12 AM PST by kjam22 (see me play the guitar here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noHy7Cuoucc)
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To: dokmad

As long as all of our congress critters get chipped, and we can look up their locations on GPS at anytime.


11 posted on 02/28/2009 4:36:37 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Man50D
Buy stock in foil envelope enclosures.

Stick the chipped DL inside a faraday cage (foil envelope) and it's useless to Law Enforcement.

12 posted on 02/28/2009 4:42:50 AM PST by sonofagun
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To: Man50D

More Reasons in Support of Civil Disobedience.

Chipped License and ID cards? Uh...NO! Not just “NO”, but “Hell, NO!”

These jackbooted thugs need to be made to stop these illegal, immoral assaults on the freedoms guaranteed to us by the Constitution.

I fear for the future of this grand experiment.

It’s time to take back the country.


13 posted on 02/28/2009 4:43:10 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: sonofagun

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2006/0124747.html


14 posted on 02/28/2009 4:45:41 AM PST by sonofagun
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To: Man50D

Gee, one might think that with this kind of technology available, we might be able to effectively control...oh, I don’t know....WHO IS VOTING THAT IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE VOTING.

To guard against voter fraud, we have nothing that works. For this Big Brother stuff, BAM, here it is.


15 posted on 02/28/2009 4:48:25 AM PST by StatenIsland
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To: sonofagun

http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20070507005675&newsLang=en


16 posted on 02/28/2009 4:48:37 AM PST by sonofagun
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To: sonofagun

http://envelopespecialist.com/reader.html


17 posted on 02/28/2009 4:49:40 AM PST by sonofagun
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To: Travis McGee

“As long as all of our congress critters get chipped, and we can look up their locations on GPS at anytime.”

As “security risks,” they will, of course, exempt themselves. I’m sure they’ll also make it illegal to deface said chip, find a way to raise the cost of the license by $300 to cover the costs (except for illegal aliens and minorities, of course - who will be PAID to carry the cards), and then make sure everyone complies by renaming it the “GOOD AND HAPPY CARD,” and requiring you swipe it before using your ATM or Credit Card anywhere “Just to make sure you are who you say you are.”


18 posted on 02/28/2009 5:10:01 AM PST by Pravious
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To: Man50D

This is not a defense of illegals but I would rather be up to my keister in Mexicans than have a ID card with a permanent bug in it.


19 posted on 02/28/2009 5:13:14 AM PST by Tribune7 (Obama wants to put the same crowd that ran Fannie Mae in charge of health care)
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To: Pravious
Are you Pravious? ;)
Where's your chip...
20 posted on 02/28/2009 5:13:22 AM PST by allmost
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To: allmost

He..doesn’t....care


21 posted on 02/28/2009 5:13:47 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Man50D
And yet they think you shouldn't have to have any ID at all to vote in an election.
22 posted on 02/28/2009 5:15:28 AM PST by capt. norm (Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups.)
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To: driftdiver

Hatred/contempt of basic human reality is a pillar of leftism. I know they don’t care. I just wanted to add some dots to their database...


23 posted on 02/28/2009 5:17:46 AM PST by allmost
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To: kjam22

I accidentally washed a memory stick. It went through both the washer and dryer cycles before I found it. Worked fine afterwards.


24 posted on 02/28/2009 5:18:18 AM PST by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things)
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To: sonofagun
Stick the chipped DL inside a faraday cage (foil envelope) and it's useless to Law Enforcement.

The owner will be getting a notice in the mail from a roadside detector: "Vehicle being operated with no licensed driver. $100 fine."

25 posted on 02/28/2009 5:21:50 AM PST by Procyon (To the global warming fanatics the problem is too many people and the solution is genocide.)
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To: Man50D

I wonder how many seconds of time in the microwave will be needed to cook the circuitry out of the license without melting the plastic card itself. Seems to me about 5 seconds will do it.


26 posted on 02/28/2009 5:26:55 AM PST by meyer (The left is flooding the ship - let's quit bailing water. We are all John Galt.)
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To: Man50D

15 seconds in a microwave should cook any chip.


27 posted on 02/28/2009 5:27:55 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: Man50D
How about if you accidentally immersed it in water for an extended period of time?

Keeping a clean license is of great importance in Tennessee where, regardless of age, you must show ID when buying beer. I recommend 30 minutes soaking in very hot dishwater.

28 posted on 02/28/2009 5:28:59 AM PST by meyer (The left is flooding the ship - let's quit bailing water. We are all John Galt.)
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To: csvset
Good question . . . from a purely theoretical viewpoint, of course.
29 posted on 02/28/2009 5:29:39 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Actually, it all started back in Mayberry. Helen Crump was a traveler and Floyd, well, you know...)
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To: Tribune7
This is not a defense of illegals but I would rather be up to my keister in Mexicans than have a ID card with a permanent bug in it.

I'd rather see 50 caliber machine gun nests placed every 300 yards or so along our southern border so that we don't have illegals here in the first place. Of course, I'm also against any kind of tracking capability in the hands of our "trustworthy" government.

30 posted on 02/28/2009 5:31:26 AM PST by meyer (The left is flooding the ship - let's quit bailing water. We are all John Galt.)
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To: Procyon

The metal auto body will act as a partial RF shield, and indeed anyone attempting to read a RFID chip via a roadside detector must anticipate that some drivers may have put their wallets in the glove box or other area of the vehicle that will sufficiently shield the chip, or at least the chip’s response to inquiry. In this case such roadside query becomes a random survey that can never be used to enforce 100% compliance.


31 posted on 02/28/2009 5:33:45 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: sonofagun

THe next step will be to make it illegal to do that.


32 posted on 02/28/2009 5:35:59 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: theBuckwheat

considering how prevalent Hacking gadgets is these days , I say bring it on, we can then reprogram chip to somebody elses info, I suggest an Elected Official or Jack booted Thug (leo).


33 posted on 02/28/2009 5:37:05 AM PST by eyeamok
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To: StatenIsland

That will be the one exception where they won’t be allowed to wave their magick wand


34 posted on 02/28/2009 5:37:37 AM PST by EBH (The world is a balance between good & evil, your next choice will tip the scale.)
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To: theBuckwheat

“In this case such roadside query becomes a random survey that can never be used to enforce 100% compliance.”

Whats random about it, checkpoints work fine.


35 posted on 02/28/2009 5:38:16 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: csvset
http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2006/01/weapons_the_rfi.html

http://hackedgadgets.com/2006/10/08/rfid-zapper

http://events.ccc.de/congress/2005/static/r/f/i/RFID-Zapper(EN)_77f3.html

36 posted on 02/28/2009 5:40:20 AM PST by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: Man50D

Leave the license clipped to the sunvisor or in the glove box unless you’re going to need the id some where. Having said that, what totalitarian, 1984-brained idiot came up with this idea?


37 posted on 02/28/2009 6:00:15 AM PST by Straight8 (Don't begin it if you're not in it to win it.)
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To: Pravious

‘and requiring you swipe it before using your ATM or Credit Card anywhere “Just to make sure you are who you say you are.”’

The wife and I had our ATM cards canceled because of a security breach.We were issued new ones but we haven’t activated them. We went back to using cash. It’s a bit more hassle but one thing I’ve noticed is we seem to get less junk mail.


38 posted on 02/28/2009 6:08:42 AM PST by kickonly88
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To: Man50D

Naa.....
Never happen!

It would be too big an imposition on the illegals.....


39 posted on 02/28/2009 6:12:39 AM PST by G Larry (Obama's plan = "STEALING FROM THOSE WHO CREATE THE JOBS!")
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To: Man50D

RFID Blocking Wallet

http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/security/8cdd/


40 posted on 02/28/2009 6:15:54 AM PST by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.)
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To: Man50D

Barry is the Antichrist.


41 posted on 02/28/2009 6:20:10 AM PST by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: Tribune7
This is not a defense of illegals but I would rather be up to my keister in Mexicans than have a ID card with a permanent bug in it.

I'm afraid we will all wind up with both.....

42 posted on 02/28/2009 6:24:38 AM PST by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: dokmad

“But, but, we can trust our government Can’t we?”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Not just no but HELL NO!


43 posted on 02/28/2009 6:25:05 AM PST by RipSawyer (I have scant HOPE for the PRESENT absent a major CHANGE.)
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To: Man50D

We can thank the folks at MADD for this. Their relentless year after year program of eroding individual rights is succeeding.


44 posted on 02/28/2009 7:10:32 AM PST by montanajoe
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To: Travis McGee

Ball-peen hammer. Small one. Smash the little f***er. It really pisses me off when administrative types make seriously bad decisions based on something they think is a “cool” idea but have no clue what the Hell they are doing.

The idea of RFID is ripe for abuse due primarily to the technical fact, something that escapes these liberal arts idiots, that someone can use a handheld reader and gather the information these RFID chips allow to be scanned from inches away.

A microchip serves absolutley no purpose. None.


45 posted on 02/28/2009 7:21:18 AM PST by CodeToad (Liberalism is Communism, and both are a mental disorder. Grow up.)
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To: csvset
If I squeeze the chip with a pair of Vice Grips, would it still work?

I think accidentally microwaving your license would be a surer bet.

46 posted on 02/28/2009 7:35:37 AM PST by lafroste (gravity is not a force. See my profile to read my novel absolutely free (I know, beyond shameless))
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To: Man50D

“Enhanced driver’s licenses have built-in radio chips providing an identifying number or information that can be accessed by a remote reading unit while the license is inside a wallet or purse.”

I’m not sure about the ability to read these things while in your wallet. My experience with these devices is that they have to be very near the scanner. There is nothing wrong with a chip that contains the same data written on the license as long as you have to present it to be read, and you are aware it is being looked at.


47 posted on 02/28/2009 7:43:02 AM PST by yazoo
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To: yazoo

Most scanners aren’t designed to read them from more than a few inches away. That doesn’t mean it can’t be done.

There may be tradeoffs involved: a long-range “pirate” scanner might fry some chips or fail to interoperate with marginal tags, violate FCC rules, or require more expensive/sensitive components. None of these are a problem for somebody with malicious intent.


48 posted on 02/28/2009 8:01:47 AM PST by bornred
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To: Man50D
Washington state is also considering a bill regarding the forcible "chipping" of all registered sex offenders, without due process of law.

If they can do it to those, they will do it to you. Sooner or later.

49 posted on 02/28/2009 8:17:18 AM PST by Clint Williams (Read Roto-Reuters -- we're the spinmeisters | Impeach Obama!)
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To: Travis McGee
As long as all of our congress critters get chipped, and we can look up their locations on GPS at anytime.

RFID and GPS are two completely different technologies.

50 posted on 02/28/2009 8:19:54 AM PST by Clint Williams (Read Roto-Reuters -- we're the spinmeisters | Impeach Obama!)
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