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What kind of people are gun owners?
Cleveland Gun Rights Examiner ^ | 27 February, 2009 | Daniel White

Posted on 02/28/2009 4:35:00 AM PST by marktwain

I was talking to a friend of mine last night, who happens to be a lawyer, and he made a comment about how much people's values have changed in this country in the last hundred years or so.

In particular, he was talking about the "us vs. them" mentality that people tend to get when it comes to the police. There was a time when everyone took responsibility not only for their own safety, but for the safety of their communities as well. Although, that was also a time when support for guns and religion was respected, not a punchline by a presidential candidate. Back then, people weren't expected to just to call 911 if they saw someone being mugged, they were expected to act to protect life and community. In 1864, if a person was being stabbed to death in the street, bystanders certainly wouldn't do nothing. But a hundred years later, people are told not to get involved, that they should just "be a good witness", call the police, and go back to bed.

As I said, this sense of duty to defense extended to communities as well. People were once proud to serve in a militia and be ready at a moment's notice to defend themselves, their neighbor, and their way of life. Now, the mainstream media sneers at the word militia, conjuring up images of drunken rednecks running around the woods in camo pants.

Then again, they're not exactly high on gun owners in general, particularly those who choose to carry a gun for self defense. Armed citizens tend to be the closest we have to the patriots of old because they do still have the moral strength and character to be prepared to protect themselves and others. So, what do you find behind the stereotype?

Jeff Snyder once said that we "carry arms because we value our lives and those of our loved ones, because we will not be dealt with by force or threat of force, and do not live at the pleasure and discretion of the lawless". The anti gunners will try to tell you that people who carry firearms for protection are mentally imbalanced individuals who see danger lurking in every shadow and are looking for any excuse to sling lead. But the truth is, we just want to be left alone to live our lives in peace. If a criminal tries to take our lives, we are prepared to meet force with force.

Another mischaracterization is that we want to feel big and get our way because we have "the power." The truth is, gun owners tend to be amongst the most tolerant of others. Gun owners don't try to meddle and tell people that they must believe and behave like they do. Sadly, it isn't often the same with anti-gunners.

Take for instance some users on who don't like guns. One individual (warning, profanity) has stated he will intentionally "bury" any pro-gun story posted to Digg, and has gone on a crusade against one of the Gun Rights Examiners to keep him from promoting his articles. He even brags about his actions in his profile:

If you post in favor of Ron Paul, guns, or any other crackpot porn I *will* bury you. Tip of the day, nobody listens to you because YOU ARE FULL OF ****. **** off and die kthx.

But, we don't go in and try to prevent the anti-gunners from exercising their right to free speech. Then again, gun owners tend to love their freedoms, something not everyone can understand. All too often, people are more than happy to trade freedoms, particularly ones they're not "using", for a sense of security. Gun owners, on the other hand, realize that it is those freedoms that give us security.

The truth is, gun owners are all around. Most people will never know that the mother in line at the grocery store, computer tech helping with their email at work, or family dentist all choose to carry a firearm for personal protection. But if the chips are down, they can count on these responsible, law-abiding citizens to defend their lives against violent criminal attacks. Think of them as mobile crime free zones.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; freedom; gun; gunowners
Anti gun types, as most anti-freedom types, tend to be very intolerant.
1 posted on 02/28/2009 4:35:00 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain
What kind of people are gun owners?

Free people.

2 posted on 02/28/2009 4:43:36 AM PST by SolidWood (Palin: "In Alaska we eat therefore we hunt.")
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To: marktwain

I am multi gun, gun owner.
Gots a new auto shotgun on order to go with all my other toys.


3 posted on 02/28/2009 4:45:27 AM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: marktwain

There are millions of gun owners in America and since Obama was elected news reports tell us that the purchase of firearms has been booming. Despite the disproportionate noise and influence of anti-gun crusaders, guns are an inherent part of American history and culture as well as a constitutional right. I don’t think any generalities can be made about these millions who represent a cross-section of our population.


4 posted on 02/28/2009 4:45:41 AM PST by T.L.Sink
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To: marktwain
Anti gunners know what we know. If they persist in their tyranny our guns are meant for them. This is why they hate them and us. Simple.

Μολὼν λάβε


5 posted on 02/28/2009 4:46:19 AM PST by wastoute (translation of tag "Come and get them (bastards)" and the Scout Motto)
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To: T.L.Sink

The absolute best investment since Obama took office has been anunition ...


6 posted on 02/28/2009 4:52:49 AM PST by bimbo
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To: marktwain
Several good points. But the one that stuck out to me:

The anti gunners will try to tell you that people who carry firearms for protection are mentally imbalanced individuals who see danger lurking in every shadow and are looking for any excuse to sling lead. But the truth is, we just want to be left alone to live our lives in peace. If a criminal tries to take our lives, we are prepared to meet force with force.

The last thing in the world I want to do, is having to shoot someone. Heck, I don't even want to hurt 4 legged critters. And as long as I am left alone, the only other reason I can see for shooting someone, (or something), is saving the life of an innocent.

But let me add this to the general topic of "What kind of people are gun owners?". There are also people who just like to collect things, including guns, which can be compared to works of art, and there are some people who own guns, simply because they can...

7 posted on 02/28/2009 4:56:37 AM PST by LRS (Just contracts; just laws; just a constitution...)
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To: marktwain
... we don't go in and try to prevent the anti-gunners from exercising their right to free speech.

and there in lies the advantage of the Left: they have no qualms about restricting the free speech of those who disagree with them.

8 posted on 02/28/2009 4:56:56 AM PST by bimbo
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To: marktwain

The news media, Hollywood and academia promote perception and while it’s not always reality, they try to set the stage for what we as a nation believe.


9 posted on 02/28/2009 5:00:36 AM PST by umgud (I'm really happy I wasn't aborted)
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To: bimbo

Exactly. It’s been obvious that Obama and his flunky Holder are going to try to eliminate the right to bear arms by a series of punitive incremental measures such as pricing ammunition so high by excise taxation that it’s unaffordable, compulsory registrations, etc. I don’t know if you’ve seen them but Lou Dobbs has had a great series on his show about how Eric Holder is trying to subvert the Second Amendment.


10 posted on 02/28/2009 5:04:15 AM PST by T.L.Sink
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To: bimbo

Proving, yet once again, that for the left, it’s all about CONTROL.

It’s time to take back the country.


11 posted on 02/28/2009 5:04:54 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: T.L.Sink
I don’t think any generalities can be made about these millions who represent a cross-section of our population

There are occasional exceptions, but I would happily take the next 435 people who walk into my neighborhood gun store or onto our local gun range over the 435 slugs, socialists, crooks, and morons currently in the House, sight unseen.

12 posted on 02/28/2009 5:10:31 AM PST by TurtleUp (Turtle up: cancel optional spending until 2012, and boycott TARP/stimulus companies forever!)
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To: TurtleUp
I would happily take the next 435 people who walk into my neighborhood gun store or onto our local gun range over the 435 slugs, socialists, crooks, and morons currently in the House, sight unseen.

This should be chiseled in stone - oh wait, wasn't that kind of the intent in the first place?
13 posted on 02/28/2009 5:23:47 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Actually, it all started back in Mayberry. Helen Crump was a traveler and Floyd, well, you know...)
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To: marktwain

Perhaps one who realizes:

“Take for instance some users on who don’t like guns. One individual (warning, profanity) has stated he will intentionally “bury” any pro-gun story posted to Digg, and has gone on a crusade against one of the Gun Rights Examiners to keep him from promoting his articles. He even brags about his actions in his profile:

If you post in favor of Ron Paul, guns, or any other crackpot porn I *will* bury you. Tip of the day, nobody listens to you because YOU ARE FULL OF ****. **** off and die kthx”

This cannot be allowed to stand, if gunowners are cut off from youth of today, we will become the UK only much more quickly.

It makes more sense to deal with this now by swarming and over running the deluded such as that dude sob, then to do nothing.


14 posted on 02/28/2009 5:26:38 AM PST by padre35 (You shall not ignore the laws of God, the Market, the Jungle, and Reciprocity Rm10.10)
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To: SolidWood

That is the best answer that can be given. Only free people own guns.


15 posted on 02/28/2009 5:31:43 AM PST by Dutch Boy
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To: Joe Boucher

I hope you have ammo. I hear the ammo is hard to find these days. A friend went to a show the other day and said someone was buying all the ammo he could find at the show, like all of it from one seller. Probably to sell later after a huge tax is in place. But, from what I’ve heard (and I’m sure you already know), ammo is out of stock and on back-order at alot of stores, including on-line.


16 posted on 02/28/2009 5:43:41 AM PST by HollyB
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To: marktwain

People you wanna be polite to.


17 posted on 02/28/2009 5:44:18 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: marktwain

Liberals do not trust their fellow citizens.

That is why they do not trust firearm owners to do what is right.

That is why they do not trust the free market to do what is right.

That is why they do not trust capitalism to do what is right.

That is why they do not trust religion to do what is right.

Liberals view all of the above as flawed and believe only THEY can fix them.


18 posted on 02/28/2009 5:54:34 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: marktwain
All the gun grabbers, starting with the Brady Bunch should immediately: 'WE' don't "need" a lot of things, but we have them -- "Just In Case". So a Firearm is just like a Smoke Detector or 'Insurance'. But these arguments would go flying right over the gun grabbers empty heads.

And as to those 'ugly', scary looking, black rifles that we don't "need". Well, I may think a gun grabber doesn't "need" the car he owns. It may be a Van, but I may say he only "needs" a Toyota Corolla. I'd bet he'd get just a little ticked if his Van was 'outlawed' because someone said he doesn't "need" it.

20 posted on 02/28/2009 6:06:27 AM PST by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: TurtleUp

My only point was that when you are dealing with millions of people all over the country there are no demographic, occupational, educational, economic or social generalities that can be made any more than one can make a generality about people who have two feet. I think this is important because, as you know, the anti-gun group has tried to stereotype gun owners as a bunch of uneducated boobs who think we’re still living in the old Wild West. John Lott’s book, “More Guns, Less Crime” is just one study that has proved that to be nonsense.


21 posted on 02/28/2009 6:12:09 AM PST by T.L.Sink
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To: marktwain

Gun Owners are good people, probably the best there are.


22 posted on 02/28/2009 6:20:32 AM PST by BuffaloJack
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To: HollyB
"I hope you have ammo. I hear the ammo is hard to find these days."

A good friend of mine had to buy a part for a re-loading tool yesterday and witnessed three folks making total purchases of $10,000 in ammo and components. Most Walmarts have been stripped bare of ammo for weeks. If folks are just now waking up to the fact that they are going to need to protect themselves, they are kind of like the grasshopper who fiddled during the harvest!

23 posted on 02/28/2009 6:21:06 AM PST by Big_Harry ( Thank God I am an "Infidel"!)
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To: T.L.Sink
Lou Dobbs has had a great series on his show about how Eric Holder is trying to subvert the Second Amendment.

Eric Holder is just another Obamanation criminal thug. Pass the word.

24 posted on 02/28/2009 6:22:23 AM PST by an amused spectator (Obama: Beware of geeks bearing grifts)
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To: marktwain
I *will* bury you

Isn't that what Kruschev said to Kennedy back in 1961?

Heh. Leftists. The more they change, the more they stay the same.

25 posted on 02/28/2009 6:22:32 AM PST by Flatus I. Maximus
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To: marktwain

This gunowner is an upper middle class professional and family man. I’m also a longtime gunowner (since age 12) and am on my way to take a class to qualify for my concealed carry permit this morning. I have to leave early to get a place in the expected crush of applicants. See everyone later!


26 posted on 02/28/2009 6:26:14 AM PST by behzinlea
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To: marktwain

Bitter, bible readin’ clingers on, that’s who. /s/


27 posted on 02/28/2009 6:28:55 AM PST by TADSLOS (Come and Take it!)
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To: an amused spectator

Exactly right. How do you like being lectured and called “cowardly” about the race issue by one who not only prepared the pardons for fugitive Marc Rich and the FALN terrorists but who has made it perfectly clear that he thinks the Second Amendment is not a right applicable to individuals? Here in Florida we have a saying about such guys - that they have “balls bigger than cocoanuts.”


28 posted on 02/28/2009 6:36:04 AM PST by T.L.Sink
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To: Joe Boucher

I own over 30, all types, and am adding before the other shoe falls.


29 posted on 02/28/2009 6:42:17 AM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: SolidWood

People with hope and keep their families safe.


30 posted on 02/28/2009 6:45:50 AM PST by HiramQuick (work harder ... welfare recipients depend on you!)
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To: marktwain

Gun owners are free citizens, they are not slaves nor wards of the state.


31 posted on 02/28/2009 6:49:28 AM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Warning: Sarcasm/humor is always engaged. Failure to recognize this may lead to misunderstandings.)
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To: SolidWood

What kind of people are gun owners?

They used to be called Americans.
I am a gun owner. I was /am
1. In the US Miltary as a Law Enforcement Officer
2. A Correctional Officer trained in and by my State.
3. A Christian
4. An American citizen voter
5. A person that periodically completed State Lethal
Weapons Cerification training.
6. A person that has never been mugged robbed raped assaulted burglarized or had any of those happen to any immediate family member
Now ask yourself the question. Why would the current Government be afraid of my owning a weapon? Of my exercising my Constitutional Rights?
I think it says more about them then it does about me..........


32 posted on 02/28/2009 6:52:26 AM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Coming to You From the Front Lines of Occupied America)
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To: marktwain

My brother in law sells guns and the people that buy them are...judges..lawyers.doctors,priest,policemen,every walk of life he has sold to.and they are all good people.


33 posted on 02/28/2009 7:00:20 AM PST by angelcindy ("If you follow the crowd,you get no further than the crowd")
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To: LRS
There are also people who just like to collect things, including guns...

Guns are cool machines, as well. They are artifacts that attest to man's ingenuity and engineering abilities. If you like machines such as cars or appliances, or like to understand the workings of software, guns also pique a similar engineering interest. And they go bang, which is cool.

34 posted on 02/28/2009 7:02:40 AM PST by MichiganConservative (You are a slave. The government is your owner and master. For many slaves, it is also their god.)
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To: marktwain

I am a gun owner. I am a Christian and I am an American. I took an oath to serve and protect the constitution of the United States of America against all enemies foreign and domestic, like millions before me. Therefore; I will stand my ground and I will not back down. What is the cost of Liberty? Are you willing to take a stand or is it simply lip service? So if push comes to shove, “lead, follow or get the hell out of my way.”


35 posted on 02/28/2009 7:28:36 AM PST by JamesA (He who hesitates is lost.)
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To: LRS

I’m with you - hope I never have to use it other than the practice range. But let someone try to harm my kids....


36 posted on 02/28/2009 7:31:42 AM PST by Mom MD (Jesus is the Light of the world!)
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To: marktwain
Show up on Ladies Night and Wade's Eastside Guns and indoor Range in Bellevue, WA and you will smash to pieces the stereotypes of gun owners.

http://www.wadesguns.com/

Any night for that matter. You meet some great people there.

37 posted on 02/28/2009 7:32:17 AM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: PzLdr

Just remember, owning something doesn’t give any indication a person knows how to use it.

The same with all the ammunition. A person is going to have to use that hoard to keep practicing. There’s that fine line between using what you have and trying to keep things for later use.

The questions that have to be answered to yourself is, can you compete so you’re good enough to survive? Do all your firearms work under all conditions, rain, sleet and snow? Do all your magazines work and are they numbered so you know which ones will fail after a five hundred rounds? Have you made an effort to tear down all the firearms, oil and prep them?

What about reloading? Have you given a thought to buy components and know how to use them?

We may be back to our father’s age when we had to learn to fend for ourselves and help our neighbors.


38 posted on 02/28/2009 7:33:36 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: marktwain

There was a time, even when I was a kid, that owning a gun was no different than owning a tv set or a toaster.


39 posted on 02/28/2009 7:39:31 AM PST by yazoo
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To: jprobst

Please do not post obscene language, especially when it has already been properly posted with the offensive words struck out.


40 posted on 02/28/2009 7:43:31 AM PST by Sidebar Moderator
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To: MichiganConservative

I hear ya! That sounds like my oldest son, who has gotten into gun collecting the past few years.

As for me, well, I have learned to keep my collecting things obsession under control these days, or else, between that obsessive behavior, and from the fact that I sometimes go nuts when people tell me what to do with my life, I would probably go broke building a REAL arsenal. My last few gun show visits last year, I just limited myself to ammo.

And my son and I got together last summer and discussed becoming more “standardize” in our purchases. That way, we are not spending so much on so many differing calipers of ammo. I saw the handwriting on the wall, and instead of spreading our purchases around, we bulked up on certain calipers, and tried to limit the fire arms purchases to ones that use those bulked up items...


41 posted on 02/28/2009 8:01:09 AM PST by LRS (Just contracts; just laws; just a constitution...)
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To: SolidWood; marktwain
mt>What kind of people are gun owners?

Free people.

Roger that !!

42 posted on 02/28/2009 8:26:52 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, O YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: padre35
This cannot be allowed to stand, if gunowners are cut off from youth of today, we will become the UK only much more quickly.

It makes more sense to deal with this now by swarming and over running the deluded such as that dude sob, then to do nothing.

Nothing anyone can say will change Mr. Hu Flung Dung's opinions. He's looking to stir things up, so do NOT waste your time giving him the attention he wants. His words are unimportant, and we do not hear him.

Don't debate idiots. Use your time to better effect (like teaching a kid to shoot).

43 posted on 02/28/2009 8:48:48 AM PST by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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To: LRS
CALIBER-CALIBER-CALIBER

*Slaps self for not catching wrotten spieling*

44 posted on 02/28/2009 9:07:43 AM PST by LRS (Just contracts; just laws; just a constitution...)
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To: marktwain
All gun owners should form up their own local militia.
45 posted on 02/28/2009 9:13:52 AM PST by Eye of Unk (How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words! SA)
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To: PzLdr

I have many and have ordered a Saiga auto load 12 gauge to go along with Kimber, Ruger, Colt, Marlin, Dragonov, etc etc.
I’m sitting here ready.


46 posted on 02/28/2009 12:47:16 PM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: HollyB

HollyB,
My kid goes on line and buys a russian sniper rifle,
Then he goes on line and buys ammo from russia.
Seems they made a whole load for the Chechen war.
Now the russians are trying to make money by selling VERY good grade ammo that can be brought to your home by Federal Express of big brown.
The rifles need be sent to a local gun dealer and then picked up after the background check and all.
Also he has to use a russian to english translator program to do it.
Personally I go on line and find it and have it delivered.
Just look for the best price and place the order. No problem.


47 posted on 02/28/2009 12:56:22 PM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: Joe Boucher

I am expecting a ban on imported ammo and gun parts to be next. A real shame since Russians make good basic cheap and usable product for the average American citizen (not their own ironically) .

Perhaps it will be to the benefit of the us manufacturer, but it will cost more in the process.


48 posted on 03/02/2009 6:33:18 AM PST by Wildbill22
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To: Wildbill22

Been real interesting having U.P.S. show up with a couple thousand rounds of ammo in wooden boxes with old soviet or Romanian markings.


49 posted on 03/02/2009 2:08:33 PM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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