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Legalize, Tax Marijuana? (Libertarians Say Yes)
Fox ^ | 02/26/2009 | Glen Beck

Posted on 02/28/2009 8:55:36 AM PST by Responsibility2nd

GLENN BECK, HOST: Marijuana brownies, anyone? This is the worst — the people in our green room, I'm happy to say it's clear they've never been high.

I'm going to ask you what's wrong with this picture. Chicago is trying to fix $50 million budget — their budget gap by taxing car rentals in suburban areas. And now, California is talking about legalizing marijuana and taxing marijuana to solve their budget problems.

Rob Kampia is the executive director for the Marijuana Policy Project.

How are you doing — how are you doing, Rob?

ROB KAMPIA, MARIJUANA POLICY PROJECT: Doing well.

BECK: All right. Do you smoke marijuana? Do you have any those marijuana's...

KAMPIA: Occasionally.

BECK: Occasionally?

KAMPIA: Yes.

BECK: It's against the law, you know.

KAMPIA: Yes. So, is speeding, a lot of people do that, also.

BECK: Wow. OK. You used to work for NORML, did you not?

KAMPIA: Yes.

BECK: Yes?

KAMPIA: Fourteen years ago.

BECK: Fourteen years ago. And is it true that you quit working with NORML because they were stoned all the time and that's all they really wanted to do was get high? They weren't serious about changing the laws?

KAMPIA: No, everyone there is very serious about changing the laws.

BECK: Really? OK.

KAMPIA: And the reason that — the reason that I left and started up the Marijuana Policy Project because I wanted to focus almost exclusively on lobbying and ballot initiatives.

BECK: OK. So, tell me because — look, I'm a libertarian. You want to legalize marijuana; you want to legalize drugs — that's fine.

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I'm all over various and different threads speaking out against Libertarianism and their stated goals to legalize drugs. And to tax them.

(The irony that taxing anything leads to bigger government; yet taxing dope is OK seems to escape them.)

But.... Free Republic is very liberal with respect to moral issues. And Libertarians rule this place.

So I'll stand down and allows the libs to bring on today's insults.

1 posted on 02/28/2009 8:55:36 AM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: Responsibility2nd

Having both legalized marijuana and the food police is like putting a humidifier and a dehumidifier in a room at the same time.


2 posted on 02/28/2009 8:59:52 AM PST by bgill
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To: Responsibility2nd
But.... Free Republic is very liberal with respect to moral issues. And Libertarians rule this place.

Oh really?

3 posted on 02/28/2009 8:59:53 AM PST by DTogo (Time to bring back the Sons of Liberty.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
‘And Libertarians rule this place.’

Satire? FR is a Conservative site, not a Libertarian one.

On drugs, the US had legal drugs up to 1909, we did okay.

Now we have our friend to the South on the verge of collapse. Joy.

4 posted on 02/28/2009 9:00:22 AM PST by BGHater (Tyranny is always better organised than freedom)
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To: Responsibility2nd

This libertarian wants to see an end to the failed drug war, not new taxes.


5 posted on 02/28/2009 9:01:32 AM PST by MichiganConservative (You are a slave. The government is your owner and master. For many slaves, it is also their god.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Well, considering that the Fed’s are not going to be going after pot anymore, they BETTER legalize it or we will have Mexican gangs living in our national forests growing weed. THAT is NOT something we need. If they don’t legalize it and regulate it we will have Mexican drug wars HERE inside our borders and no one will be able to go into the forests.

I have to wonder if these artards EVER think things all the way through. For certain, not enforcing the laws is going to lead to violence if they don’t regulate it.


6 posted on 02/28/2009 9:02:14 AM PST by Danae (Amerikan Unity My Ass)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Do you drink beer or wine?

Its taxed and going to go higher.

Smoke?

Taxes are going up also if you can find a place to smoke.

Liberals, Libertarians and Conservatives can find some areas that are a bit mushy finding a few from the other side in their corner.

Me? The big problem with legalizing drugs will be the great number of “victims” added to the roles of SSI.

7 posted on 02/28/2009 9:02:45 AM PST by PeteB570 (NRA - Life member and Black Rifle owner)
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To: Responsibility2nd

A lot of people who aren’t Libertarians are for legalizing marijuana too. Most people who are for legalizing marijuana are not for legalizing all drugs.


8 posted on 02/28/2009 9:02:46 AM PST by SmallGovRepub
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To: BGHater
Satire? FR is a Conservative site, not a Libertarian one.

Well...
There is a large contingent of libertarians
who are active posters on this site
and are not generally frowned upon

9 posted on 02/28/2009 9:03:04 AM PST by HangnJudge
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To: DTogo

If I showed you posts that called out for a response from Jim Robinson to refute this charge - and he made no response - then what you you think?


10 posted on 02/28/2009 9:03:13 AM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: Responsibility2nd

Personally, I am in favor of legalizing marijuana. It’s not a bigger public health problem than alcohol, and we allow that.


11 posted on 02/28/2009 9:03:33 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: Responsibility2nd
I wonder when drugs will become mandatory?
12 posted on 02/28/2009 9:03:42 AM PST by svcw
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To: Responsibility2nd

If you tax it, you make it more expensive to produce legally, thus helping the drug cartels (or so we hear)

I’m ok with people growing for their own use but I don’t want to pay for the rainbow of new laws that would be enacted to deal with that.

For those who claim to want it legal to end cartel violence. You’re lying. If you really wanted to end the cartel violence you would quit smoking it. I did and I survived just fine. Changing laws takes years and sometimes never happens, quitting only takes an instant and achieves the same result much faster and cheaper.


13 posted on 02/28/2009 9:03:44 AM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Taxing and spending are 2 entirely separate issues. This is true because politicians never let a lack of tax money stop them from spending. Legalizing drugs or not will have 0 influence on spending.

Perhaps if drugs are legalized, we'll see fewer SWAT teams busting down peoples' doors on trumped up drug charges.

14 posted on 02/28/2009 9:04:17 AM PST by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: DTogo
But.... Free Republic is very liberal with respect to moral issues. And Libertarians rule this place.

They try to, they forever try to post their anti anything government as a conservative position.

15 posted on 02/28/2009 9:04:56 AM PST by org.whodat (Auto unions bad: Machinists union good=Hypocrisy)
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To: MichiganConservative

Wrong. Ending prohibition lead to what? Higher taxes.

Let me ignore the immoral viewpoints about turning America into a Nation of stoners for a moment.....

And focus on the huge Governmental Machinery that would be placed in effect to run the Department of Dope...

Higher taxes for All!. (And I do mean High!!!)


16 posted on 02/28/2009 9:06:16 AM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: cripplecreek
For those who claim to want it legal to end cartel violence. You’re lying.

Do we see organized crime rackets causing trouble by smuggling cigarettes and booze?

17 posted on 02/28/2009 9:06:31 AM PST by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: Danae

Your point illustrates why we need to invade Mexico.

The WOD is no less serious than the WOT.

It amazes me that Libertarians are hard up to fight one war, but are all too eager to surrender on the other.


18 posted on 02/28/2009 9:08:10 AM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: pnh102
Do we see organized crime rackets causing trouble by smuggling cigarettes and booze?

It's damn near traditional.
19 posted on 02/28/2009 9:08:14 AM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: PeteB570

Dittoes.

Bears Repeating:

Me? The big problem with legalizing drugs will be the great number of “victims” added to the roles of SSI.


20 posted on 02/28/2009 9:09:08 AM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: Responsibility2nd
I think you are missing the larger issue here.

Government isn’t our nanny. We should have the right to be stupid.

Once government becomes our nanny we are screwed.

21 posted on 02/28/2009 9:09:09 AM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: Responsibility2nd

One hundred years ago there were no laws restricting drugs. The original stimulant in Coca Cola was cocaine. Then they had to add caffeine because cocaine was made illegal.

Those of you who are against legalizing marijuana and consume an occasional beer or a glass of wine, I have only one word to describe people who have that attitude - hypocrites.


22 posted on 02/28/2009 9:09:10 AM PST by Pelagius of Asturias
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To: Responsibility2nd

How can I be wrong about what I want?

And I don’t believe alcohol should be taxed, either. I guess that’s “wrong” as well.


23 posted on 02/28/2009 9:09:19 AM PST by MichiganConservative (You are a slave. The government is your owner and master. For many slaves, it is also their god.)
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To: svcw

I wonder when drugs will become mandatory?

__________________________________________

Good question.

First, we surrender to the Libertarians and legalize the crap.

Secondly, we introduce it to our children in school. Like we do the pro-homosexual agenda.

Thirdly... well you get the idea.


24 posted on 02/28/2009 9:11:10 AM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: Responsibility2nd
Let me ignore the immoral viewpoints about turning America into a Nation of stoners for a moment.....

Well, I guess we are a nation of alcoholics, since Prohibition ended. Whatever.

25 posted on 02/28/2009 9:11:31 AM PST by MichiganConservative (You are a slave. The government is your owner and master. For many slaves, it is also their god.)
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To: cripplecreek
“If you tax it, you make it more expensive to produce legally, thus helping the drug cartels (or so we hear)”

I'm not too sure on that.

Tobacco is being taxed real heavy, I think it's $3.75 a pack around here right now. Smokers in a lot of the US could grow their own but they don't. I think the curing foils most of them.

Marijuana can also be grown in large areas of the US - and is right now. I don't think the cost and taxes for Marijuana could be much higher than for tobacco - and libs would want to keep it as low as they could. Add in the home grown “no stamp weed” and the drug cartels should be out of business.

26 posted on 02/28/2009 9:11:48 AM PST by PeteB570 (NRA - Life member and Black Rifle owner)
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To: pnh102

“Do we see organized crime rackets causing trouble by smuggling cigarettes and booze?”


Nice try, logic and reason. The people who want to keep drugs illegal are not interested in logic and reason. They seem to believe that people must be controlled with force.


27 posted on 02/28/2009 9:12:54 AM PST by marktwain
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To: Responsibility2nd
The human wreckage and waste, not only moral degradation that legalizing drugs would create would be the last nail in this country's coffin.

Moral strength and fortitude, clean sober thinking and morality is what gave this country it's greatness in the first place. In other words, you can make a pig into bacon, but you can't make bacon back into a pig.

Any argument to the contrary is pure insanity and has no merit.

28 posted on 02/28/2009 9:13:06 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (WHAT? Where did my tag line go? (ACORN))
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To: cripplecreek

Good points. And if you really want to end the cartel violence, then see my previous post. You take the US Armed Forces to war against our enemies in Mexico as we take them to our enemies in Iraq and other places.

I’ll say it again. WOT, WOD... America can not surrender!!!


29 posted on 02/28/2009 9:13:50 AM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: Danae

“Well, considering that the Fed’s are not going to be going after pot anymore, they BETTER legalize it or we will have Mexican gangs living in our national forests growing weed. THAT is NOT something we need.”

Way TOO late. Armed Mexican Drug cartels have thousands of acres under cultivation in the NW, and all over this nation. I do agree at this point, the only way we will rid ourselves of the Mexican drug cartels growing in our national parks and forests is to make the stuff legal. Though they do keep busy in the off season brewing meth, which we simply cannot legalize.

The Mexican border has moved 800 miles north- On Lou Dobbs Tonight!
http://towncriernews.blogspot.com/search?q=invasion+800+miles

Lots of photos of these grows.


30 posted on 02/28/2009 9:14:55 AM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925; Foreigners 2008)
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To: marktwain

Right, anarchy is ALWAYS the very best form of society to strive for. Let everyone do what ever they feel is right so long as they aren’t hurting someone else. Right?

But what you fail to see, is the long term damage and apathy that hedonism creates. It usually winds up in an Oligarchy of some form or another.


31 posted on 02/28/2009 9:17:22 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (WHAT? Where did my tag line go? (ACORN))
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To: cripplecreek

You need to study Prohibition. The enactment of the stupidest law ever, created a class of very wealthy and powerful criminals, and a class of very wealthy and corrupt politicians. When Prohibition was repealed, the criminals lost a huge source of income. Nevertheless, income from bootlegging enabled them to put that money to good use - they built Las Vegas. When Tennessee started enacting laws that enabled cities to regulate the legal selling of alcohol, it was the end of big time bootlegging.

My mother alway said that the only people against legal alcohol sales were preachers and bootleggers.


32 posted on 02/28/2009 9:18:25 AM PST by Pelagius of Asturias
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To: Responsibility2nd

If all libertarians care about is dope right now, screw them. There are more important things to be concerned with. How about real and actual FREEDOM?


33 posted on 02/28/2009 9:18:49 AM PST by BobS
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To: Responsibility2nd

The report on Glenn Beck last night showed that the cartels have gone far beyond drugs as a means of making money. They even shake down the teachers for their Christmas bonus checks.


34 posted on 02/28/2009 9:19:17 AM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
And Libertarians rule this place.

The are just a big squeaky wheel but they have no real power. You need to learn to ignore them more.

35 posted on 02/28/2009 9:19:56 AM PST by bmwcyle (The end is near and this time I mean it. Get right with JESUS NOW!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

This may be a way to soothe the pain of all the new taxes we are going to be hit with out here.


36 posted on 02/28/2009 9:20:16 AM PST by Lou Budvis ( 'Benjamin Franklin and Jefferson are rolling in their graves.')
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To: Steve Van Doorn

Our nanny.

Well, lets say I agree with you. Lets say we get rid of all the Nationalist nannies. Who needs ‘em?

States Rights forever, right?

Who needs a strong National Defense protecting us in Iraq and Afghanistan? Who needs a US Border Patrol protecting our borders against the drug cartels?

Phst. The one thing that Libertarins (libs) fail to see in their anti-nannyistic tirades is that yes... We do need the Feds.

Not to protect us against ourselves. But to protect us against our enemies.

Legalizing drugs is playing right into the hands of drug cartels.


37 posted on 02/28/2009 9:20:33 AM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: Responsibility2nd
The strongest drug I use is black coffee unless dark chocolate (to which I am unashamedly addicted) is a drug.

That being said, if some fool wants to waste his life stoned on a salad green I don't like, that's his problem. I am not willing to part with tax dollars to protect fools from their folly.

I am unconvinced that usage or availability would substantially increase if it were legalized. Alcohol was readily available during prohibition and anyone who really wanted it could get it. If marijuana were legally available tomorrow, I would avoid it as I do alcohol and tobacco now. I think most people would as well.

38 posted on 02/28/2009 9:21:11 AM PST by muir_redwoods (The president is an ass)
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To: bgill

“Having both legalized marijuana and the food police is like putting a humidifier and a dehumidifier in a room at the same time.”

Not if you tax both.

I would liken it more to owning the casino, AND getting fees from the ATM machine in the lobby.


39 posted on 02/28/2009 9:22:10 AM PST by Eccl 10:2 (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem - Ps 122:6)
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To: Responsibility2nd

My ideal would be a repeal of federal drug laws and a selective, non-uniform application of relaxed state drug laws to nuisance users and to violent criminals (in the latter case, to keep them in jail longer), but a “look the other way” policy regarding individuals who enjoy their vice in private and can handle the “side-effects”. No more drug raids on homes, getting the address wrong and shooting grandma and the dog. Or PDs wasting money on buying equipment to detect heat signatures.

I realize drugs “cause” problems, and I fully support the elimination from society of those members who cannot handle their chit. Criminalizing the drug is a poor substitute for properly, permanently dealing with real crimes - the equivalent of banning guns because of gun-related crimes, or pencils because of spelling errors.


40 posted on 02/28/2009 9:23:20 AM PST by M203M4 (A rainbow-excreting government-cheese-pie-eating unicorn in every pot.)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Do you believe it was good for the country to end prohibition? Just curious.


41 posted on 02/28/2009 9:23:26 AM PST by blaquebyrd
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Excellent.

Your post deserves my super-sized font feature!

The human wreckage and waste, not only moral degradation that legalizing drugs would create would be the last nail in this country's coffin.

Moral strength and fortitude, clean sober thinking and morality is what gave this country it's greatness in the first place. In other words, you can make a pig into bacon, but you can't make bacon back into a pig.

Any argument to the contrary is pure insanity and has no merit.

42 posted on 02/28/2009 9:24:12 AM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: Pelagius of Asturias

And did those measures of increasing public use of alcohol aid and enhance our society as a whole? No, it only created a much bigger problem that we are still dealing with today on an increasing level. It’s called Alcoholism and addictive behavior. The cost to the taxpayers has never really been fully revealed all in the name of revenue.

Legalized gambling, State Lottery’s, etc,,, are all taking a devastating toll on our society, let’s just have much more of IT! (Sort of like trying to tax/spend our way out this failing economy.)


43 posted on 02/28/2009 9:25:15 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (WHAT? Where did my tag line go? (ACORN))
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To: bmwcyle

It try. Oh... I try.

Thanks for the encouraging word.


44 posted on 02/28/2009 9:25:56 AM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: Pelagius of Asturias

unless you are willing to legalize all drugs then you have just moved the line in the sand and you are now a hypocrite to the next user down the line.


45 posted on 02/28/2009 9:28:12 AM PST by no-no bad dog
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To: AuntB

If we go in and slaughter and burn a bunch of those Mexicans in one place in a way that says it will happen elsewhere, we might just stop things. Before judges, mayors, and other elected officials get in on the take. Like Mexico.


46 posted on 02/28/2009 9:30:24 AM PST by BobS
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To: Responsibility2nd
I won't insult you. I'll just say that pot should have never been made illegal in the first place. The way we've decimates our Constitution to catch people who have pot or other "drugs" is ridiculous.

The drug war is a failure just as prohibition was.
47 posted on 02/28/2009 9:32:57 AM PST by mysterio
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To: muir_redwoods

Alcohol and drugs are not a good analogy.

Think of legalizing drugs and allowing the drug cartels from Mexico and Columbia on the same level as what would happen if we legalized the Mafia.

And in many ways we have (i.e. Las Vegas)

Legalized gambling is good for the State, right? So, Libs argue that allowing Mexicans to ship tons of dope to the US is good business, right? And just as the State makes millions of tax dollars from gambling, tobacco, booze, and other sins, do you think - for one second - that the State would not turn a profit from dope?

They would have to. Overnight, the US would see the need to build thousands of new hospitals and prisions to house the addicts and criminals.

Alcohol and gambling is a Sunday School picnic compared to the mind, body and soul damages that occur when drugs are involved.

Damages not just to some bum on the street. But to the foolish nation stupid enough to legalize it.


48 posted on 02/28/2009 9:34:51 AM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: blaquebyrd
Alcohol is a controllable substance, since 80% of the population do not drink alcoholically and the dosages can be controlled and limited to prevent a mental and physical breakdown.

Drugs, like Pot, (A gateway drug) etc, are taken in a full blown dosage for maximum effect. there is only one level of high. And in the case of Cocaine, heroine, meth, etc,, the first few dosages set the stage for future attempts to recapture that same level of effect, but never quite measure up. the only option the user has is to greatly increase the dosage to never quite reach the original effect.

Therefore, the comparison of pot, drugs, etc, to alcohol has no credibility what so ever. they cannot even be closely associated by their nature.

49 posted on 02/28/2009 9:36:22 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (WHAT? Where did my tag line go? (ACORN))
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Since you have put a societal price tag on alcohol consumption, I guess you are for regulating or outlawing cigarettes, Twinkies, donuts, and cream filled oatmeal cookies. Politicians and food freaks are putting a price tag on obesity.

I believe that Prohibition created a biger problem than the one you attribute to legal alcohol.

I have a long ago deceased uncle who became an alcoholic while living in a bone dry county. Prohibition did not stem the tide of alcohol consumption.


50 posted on 02/28/2009 9:36:31 AM PST by Pelagius of Asturias
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