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Obama may use 50-vote tactic on energy, healthcare
The Hill ^ | 3/1/09 | Jim Snyder

Posted on 03/01/2009 10:30:40 AM PST by Nachum

President Obama’s budget director said the White House would consider using a Senate procedural tactic so that only 50 votes would be rquired to pass major healthcare and energy reforms.

Peter Orszag, the director of the Office of Management and Budget, said the administration would prefer not to use the budget reconciliation process to push through its package. But he added: "We have to keep everything on the table. We want to get these.... important things done this year." Orszag called healthcare in particular "the key to our fiscal future."

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 111; 50vote; agenda; bho44; bhoenergy; bhohealthcare; bhoomb; budgetreconciliation; cloture; energy; healthcare; nuclearoption; obama; orszag; senate; tactic
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1 posted on 03/01/2009 10:30:41 AM PST by Nachum
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To: Nachum

This means he’s afraid he doesn’t have enough Democrat support to overcome a potential filibuster.


2 posted on 03/01/2009 10:32:50 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Jesus and the Apostles were Sola Scriptura)
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To: Nachum
Apparently, Obama is under the impression that "bipartisan" is some sort of sexual preference and not the spirit of political cooperation and "new tone" he promised.

What a moron jerk.

3 posted on 03/01/2009 10:33:17 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny (ALSO SPRACH ZEROTHUSTRA)
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To: Nachum
“We want to get these.... important things done this year”

What do they think will happen next year I wonder?

4 posted on 03/01/2009 10:33:24 AM PST by BenLurkin (Mornie` utulie`. Mornie` alantie`.)
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To: Nachum

He’s like the schoolyard bully. I won, so take that!


5 posted on 03/01/2009 10:34:26 AM PST by chpmass
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To: Nachum

I HATE his evil more and more each day.


6 posted on 03/01/2009 10:34:41 AM PST by NoGrayZone (Who Is John Galt?)
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To: Nachum

Isn’t Marxism great? The voters sure screwed the pooch in November. The voters have proven that they are not as smart as the Obamedia keeps telling us they are.


7 posted on 03/01/2009 10:35:06 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Just being a "U.S. citizen" does not make one an American.)
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To: BenLurkin
“We want to get these.... important things done this year” What do they think will happen next year I wonder?

The typical American voter might start awaking from the trance

8 posted on 03/01/2009 10:35:19 AM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget (July 4, 2009 see you there))
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
“This means he’s afraid he doesn’t have enough Democrat support to overcome a potential filibuster.”

Time to preemptively start going after those democrats who are on the fence and whose reelection is at risk if they got too far to the left. The democrats have used the tactic of ‘divide and conquer’ effectively for years. It's time we did the same.

9 posted on 03/01/2009 10:35:39 AM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Nachum

If the republicans had done this the media would have called it “the nuclear option” or something similar. I think we need to come up with a snappy nane for thes.

The genocidal option

The final solution

The Chavez gambit


10 posted on 03/01/2009 10:36:06 AM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Nachum
..."the key to our fiscal future."


11 posted on 03/01/2009 10:36:10 AM PST by WVKayaker (When you come to a fork in the road, take it. -Yogi Berra)
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To: Nachum

Isn’t a majority required, ie. 51 votes in a 100-person body? Or does he have to cheat at every opportunity? Why does the Senate have a rule like that?


12 posted on 03/01/2009 10:36:19 AM PST by wastedyears (April 21st, 2009 - International Iron Maiden Day)
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To: SumProVita; HardStarboard; BradyLS; Ernest_at_the_Beach; dervish; Twotone; Free ThinkerNY; ...
A new week begins:

The List ping: Added to the list

Obama's 6th week in office:

*Obama may use 50-vote tactic on energy, healthcare President Obama’s budget director said the White House would consider using a Senate procedural tactic so that only 50 votes would be rquired to pass major healthcare and energy reforms. Peter Orszag, director of the Office of Management and Budget, ... "We have to keep everything on the table."
Because they can not be filibustered, budget reconciliations only require 50 votes to pass the Senate.
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/obama-considers-50-vote-strategy-on-energy-healthcare-2009-03-01.html

The entire list may be viewed at my profile)

13 posted on 03/01/2009 10:36:27 AM PST by Nachum (Obama theme song: Ball of Confusion by the Temptations)
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To: Nachum
Obama is an abject marxist ieolog and he will use whatever tactics (parlimentarian or otherwise) available to him to get his marxist economic, social, military, and political agenda accomplished.

God give us the strength to take back the reigns of government from these quislings...starting in 2010 and finishing the job in 2012.

THE AUDACITY OF TRUTH ABOUT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA

BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA IN HIS OWN WORDS

NOW WE KNOW WHAT A COMMUNITY ORGANIZER DOES

OBAMA, THE STOCK MARKET, AND ENERGY

THE AUDACITY OF TRUTH ABOUT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA'S UPBRINGING

IT'S TIME FOR A RETURN TO THE OLD SCHOOL

14 posted on 03/01/2009 10:37:02 AM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: NoGrayZone

Peter Orszag is the idiot that lit a fire in his plugged office fireplace


15 posted on 03/01/2009 10:37:35 AM PST by chambley1
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To: Nachum

This clown is even worse than what was originally feared.


16 posted on 03/01/2009 10:37:39 AM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: paul51

No the MSM, TV news media and newspapers will keep pushing for Obama. He is the Tiger Woods of the White House as Tiger loves the guy too. Same media fawning over both of them.


17 posted on 03/01/2009 10:38:47 AM PST by Frantzie (Boycott GE - they own NBC, MSNBC, CNBC & Universal. Boycott Disney - they own ABC)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
-- This means he's afraid he doesn't have enough Democrat support to overcome a potential filibuster. --

There are fewer than 60 Democrats in the Senate. What he's not sure of is obtaining 60 votes in favor. It was easy to get 60 votes in favor of porkulus and the omnibus spending bill, just coopt 2 of the 5 or 6 reliable left-wing GOP Senators.

18 posted on 03/01/2009 10:38:47 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Nachum

Well, this is going to be rich...Obama’s going to order Harry Reid around on which Senate rules to follow and which ones to chuck. And I seem to remember that Reid and his Rats screamed bloody murder when Republicans wanted to use simple majority votes back in the day.


19 posted on 03/01/2009 10:40:41 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin is a smart missile aimed at the heart of the left!)
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To: wastedyears
-- Isn't a majority required, ie. 51 votes in a 100-person body? --

For legislation, majority of votes cast. 50 is usually enough in the Senate. It is certainly enough while Minnesota has seated only one of the two seats it is entitled to.

20 posted on 03/01/2009 10:40:48 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: cripplecreek
Obama's Scorched Earth Approach. Destroys all chances for bipartisanship for years to come.

-PJ

21 posted on 03/01/2009 10:42:13 AM PST by Political Junkie Too (You can never overestimate the Democrats' ability to overplay their hand.)
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To: wastedyears

Tie in Senate means VP votes, that’s how they can get 51.


22 posted on 03/01/2009 10:42:46 AM PST by jafojeffsurf
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To: Nachum

Note how big health care figures in this.

He will use the current crisis as a smoke screen to take over 15% of our GDP, and the remaining 60% of health care that is outside of direct government control.

Soon, we will owe our lives to self-appointed committees who will ration treatment and care. They will, literally. decide who lives and who dies.


23 posted on 03/01/2009 10:43:19 AM PST by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
-- .Obama’s going to order Harry Reid around on which Senate rules to follow and which ones to chuck. --

Not exactly. Reid will be "in" on the deal in any event. There are certain legislative subject matters that have a statutory time limit for debate, so the usual Senate protocol of "unlimited" debate is inapplicable. Somewhere I have a list of those items ... I do recall it is in the Gold/Gupta piece that described Senate procedure, filibuster and cloture, in the context of stalled voting on judicial nominees.

24 posted on 03/01/2009 10:43:36 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Yes, and it means he will use any means avilable to him to get what he wants. He has a team lawyers and advisors that know the nooks and cranies of each law and they intend to use it to their advantage.


25 posted on 03/01/2009 10:44:23 AM PST by HollyB
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To: FlingWingFlyer

How can they be smart when a majority of them are on welfare or do not pay taxes.


26 posted on 03/01/2009 10:44:25 AM PST by jveritas (God Bless our brave troops)
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To: cripplecreek

“If the republicans had done this the media would have called it “the nuclear option” or something similar. I think we need to come up with a snappy nane for thes.

The genocidal option

The final solution

The Chavez gambit”

I humbly submit, that considering it is Obama Pelosi and Reid.....It is the “CHickenshit Trifecta option”


27 posted on 03/01/2009 10:45:07 AM PST by MagUSNRET
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To: Cboldt; wastedyears

Don’t forget that in a tie Biden is the tie breaker.


28 posted on 03/01/2009 10:45:40 AM PST by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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To: Wiseghy

This is a short video regarding government spending of our GDP. It is expected to double by next year.

http://www.resistnet.com/video/the-stimulus-skyrocket

And we haven’t seen his Universal Health care plan and his Military force larger than the military yet.


29 posted on 03/01/2009 10:47:43 AM PST by HollyB
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To: jafojeffsurf

What if we could possibly beat them by one?


30 posted on 03/01/2009 10:49:18 AM PST by wastedyears (April 21st, 2009 - International Iron Maiden Day)
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To: Nachum

The quicker he fails the better for us.


31 posted on 03/01/2009 10:50:53 AM PST by avacado (Bipartisanship is when Democrats and Republicans get together to rob the American people blind)
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To: Nachum

Once again the Democrat Party shows Republicans how to wield power.

The Stupid Party.

We’ll see how the MSM reports this compared to when the Stupid Party hinted at using the “Nuclear Option”. My guess is they’ll call it a “brilliant plan to get things done” this time around.


32 posted on 03/01/2009 10:52:08 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (Yes, Gorbachev is better than Obama. At least Gorbachev admitted he was a Communist)
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To: Psycho_Bunny
Obama is under the impression that "bipartisan" is some sort of sexual preference

Great line

33 posted on 03/01/2009 10:53:38 AM PST by SJackson (a tax cut is non-targeted…no guarantee…they’re free to invest anywhere that they want, J Kerry)
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To: chpmass


I won !!!
34 posted on 03/01/2009 10:53:44 AM PST by razbinn (I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America,and to the republic for which it ...)
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To: avacado

You’ve got a good point, and each time I see his numbers drop, I feel a little hope in that one more American has opened their eyes.

However, he is determined, regardless of American opinion. What is really getting on my nerves is is continuous phrase of ‘The American people voted for change and I am giving them change’. Change is a very broad word and cannot be used to describe anything and everything.


35 posted on 03/01/2009 10:54:29 AM PST by HollyB
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To: Nachum
With Republicans like Michael Steele, Obama just might succeed.
36 posted on 03/01/2009 10:58:04 AM PST by exist
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To: HollyB
"You’ve got a good point, and each time I see his numbers drop, I feel a little hope in that one more American has opened their eyes."

People have their eyes on their 401Ks, the unemployment rate, and such... When those continue to worsen, they will be looking to give Obama the boot along with the Democrats. The MSM cannot hide the stock market and unemployment rates from the American people.

37 posted on 03/01/2009 10:58:45 AM PST by avacado (Bipartisanship is when Democrats and Republicans get together to rob the American people blind)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
-- Obama's going to order Harry Reid around on which Senate rules to follow and which ones to chuck. --

Oops. Not the Gold/Gupta article. Memory, it's the second thing to go. I forget what the first is.

There are a few matters where the Senate is forbidden to engage in the use of a minority to avoid taking the vote. Budget is one of them.

... there are at least 26 laws on the books today abrogating the filibuster. For example:

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/rushton200504211218.asp <- Rushton

38 posted on 03/01/2009 10:58:50 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: lonevoice

ping


39 posted on 03/01/2009 11:09:59 AM PST by Pride in the USA
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To: Nachum

Isn’t this a violation of the separation of powers? I know the president advises members in Congress, but this article makes it sound like Obama is calling all the shots and the Senate just has to follow suit.

Thank goodness Robert Byrd has started seeing the light and is beginning to stand up.


40 posted on 03/01/2009 11:09:59 AM PST by Burkean
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To: wastedyears

51 is automatic in a 50-50 tie. Biden will be the tie breaker!!


41 posted on 03/01/2009 11:12:00 AM PST by PISANO
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To: razbinn
That photo is MUSSOLINI's famous pose.

Fascism will be here very soon, so the 'look' is appropriate!

42 posted on 03/01/2009 11:14:44 AM PST by PISANO
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To: wastedyears

With a 50-50 vote the Vice President has the tie-breaker vote.


43 posted on 03/01/2009 11:16:12 AM PST by Humvee (Beliefs are more powerful than facts - Paulus Atreides)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Gee, the Republicans should ask to use the old “power sharing agreement” dems used when they in the minority. Do you remember this? The stupid republicans agreed and it effectively dissolved their majority status? I wonder how loud the dems would laugh if Boehner would today suggest such an agreement.


44 posted on 03/01/2009 11:20:31 AM PST by reaganbooster
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To: wastedyears

High Hopes, but if enough people called their reps, Sit on their door steps, and just plan make it known they are not with the “Hope and Change” O see’s there could be a possibility of several dem senators hold back It will be one large stretch because the political pressure from inside Washington will be great on the dem senators.

Never The Less if 51 senators voted against it we would win, at least until it came up again under different clothing.


45 posted on 03/01/2009 11:22:24 AM PST by jafojeffsurf
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To: chpmass

School yard bullies typically get stomped harder in the end. We just need someone to do it.


46 posted on 03/01/2009 11:25:34 AM PST by Anti-Kenyan
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To: wastedyears
Tie in the senate = VP casts the tie-breaking vote. Of course, seeing what a stupid human being Biden has proved himself to be every time he opens his mouth, Obammie the Commie may not be sure he has his vote locked up (Biden could check off the wrong box by accident).
47 posted on 03/01/2009 11:29:18 AM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (The Stimulus Package: Preamble to the Democrat's new Declaration of In Dependence)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

That’s rightttttt.
A single “yes” to Marxism, and you will never be allowed out


48 posted on 03/01/2009 11:34:33 AM PST by Steven Tyler
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To: wastedyears

If any rule in Congress is investigated, there’s usually another rule to block it. GOP need to sift through details.


49 posted on 03/01/2009 11:38:50 AM PST by Kenny
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To: Humvee

With Joe Biden being able to break a 50-50 tie, that could work out...he might vote the wrong way out of confusion.


50 posted on 03/01/2009 11:41:50 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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