Skip to comments.Obama may use 50-vote tactic on energy, healthcare
Posted on 03/01/2009 10:30:40 AM PST by Nachum
President Obamas budget director said the White House would consider using a Senate procedural tactic so that only 50 votes would be rquired to pass major healthcare and energy reforms.
Peter Orszag, the director of the Office of Management and Budget, said the administration would prefer not to use the budget reconciliation process to push through its package. But he added: "We have to keep everything on the table. We want to get these.... important things done this year." Orszag called healthcare in particular "the key to our fiscal future."
(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...
This means he’s afraid he doesn’t have enough Democrat support to overcome a potential filibuster.
What a moron jerk.
What do they think will happen next year I wonder?
He’s like the schoolyard bully. I won, so take that!
I HATE his evil more and more each day.
Isn’t Marxism great? The voters sure screwed the pooch in November. The voters have proven that they are not as smart as the Obamedia keeps telling us they are.
The typical American voter might start awaking from the trance
Time to preemptively start going after those democrats who are on the fence and whose reelection is at risk if they got too far to the left. The democrats have used the tactic of ‘divide and conquer’ effectively for years. It's time we did the same.
If the republicans had done this the media would have called it “the nuclear option” or something similar. I think we need to come up with a snappy nane for thes.
The genocidal option
The final solution
The Chavez gambit
Isn’t a majority required, ie. 51 votes in a 100-person body? Or does he have to cheat at every opportunity? Why does the Senate have a rule like that?
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*Obama may use 50-vote tactic on energy, healthcare President Obamas budget director said the White House would consider using a Senate procedural tactic so that only 50 votes would be rquired to pass major healthcare and energy reforms. Peter Orszag, director of the Office of Management and Budget, ... "We have to keep everything on the table."
Because they can not be filibustered, budget reconciliations only require 50 votes to pass the Senate.
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God give us the strength to take back the reigns of government from these quislings...starting in 2010 and finishing the job in 2012.
Peter Orszag is the idiot that lit a fire in his plugged office fireplace
This clown is even worse than what was originally feared.
No the MSM, TV news media and newspapers will keep pushing for Obama. He is the Tiger Woods of the White House as Tiger loves the guy too. Same media fawning over both of them.
There are fewer than 60 Democrats in the Senate. What he's not sure of is obtaining 60 votes in favor. It was easy to get 60 votes in favor of porkulus and the omnibus spending bill, just coopt 2 of the 5 or 6 reliable left-wing GOP Senators.
Well, this is going to be rich...Obama’s going to order Harry Reid around on which Senate rules to follow and which ones to chuck. And I seem to remember that Reid and his Rats screamed bloody murder when Republicans wanted to use simple majority votes back in the day.
For legislation, majority of votes cast. 50 is usually enough in the Senate. It is certainly enough while Minnesota has seated only one of the two seats it is entitled to.
Tie in Senate means VP votes, that’s how they can get 51.
Note how big health care figures in this.
He will use the current crisis as a smoke screen to take over 15% of our GDP, and the remaining 60% of health care that is outside of direct government control.
Soon, we will owe our lives to self-appointed committees who will ration treatment and care. They will, literally. decide who lives and who dies.
Not exactly. Reid will be "in" on the deal in any event. There are certain legislative subject matters that have a statutory time limit for debate, so the usual Senate protocol of "unlimited" debate is inapplicable. Somewhere I have a list of those items ... I do recall it is in the Gold/Gupta piece that described Senate procedure, filibuster and cloture, in the context of stalled voting on judicial nominees.
Yes, and it means he will use any means avilable to him to get what he wants. He has a team lawyers and advisors that know the nooks and cranies of each law and they intend to use it to their advantage.
How can they be smart when a majority of them are on welfare or do not pay taxes.
“If the republicans had done this the media would have called it the nuclear option or something similar. I think we need to come up with a snappy nane for thes.
The genocidal option
The final solution
The Chavez gambit”
I humbly submit, that considering it is Obama Pelosi and Reid.....It is the “CHickenshit Trifecta option”
Don’t forget that in a tie Biden is the tie breaker.
This is a short video regarding government spending of our GDP. It is expected to double by next year.
And we haven’t seen his Universal Health care plan and his Military force larger than the military yet.
What if we could possibly beat them by one?
The quicker he fails the better for us.
Once again the Democrat Party shows Republicans how to wield power.
The Stupid Party.
We’ll see how the MSM reports this compared to when the Stupid Party hinted at using the “Nuclear Option”. My guess is they’ll call it a “brilliant plan to get things done” this time around.
You’ve got a good point, and each time I see his numbers drop, I feel a little hope in that one more American has opened their eyes.
However, he is determined, regardless of American opinion. What is really getting on my nerves is is continuous phrase of ‘The American people voted for change and I am giving them change’. Change is a very broad word and cannot be used to describe anything and everything.
People have their eyes on their 401Ks, the unemployment rate, and such... When those continue to worsen, they will be looking to give Obama the boot along with the Democrats. The MSM cannot hide the stock market and unemployment rates from the American people.
Oops. Not the Gold/Gupta article. Memory, it's the second thing to go. I forget what the first is.
There are a few matters where the Senate is forbidden to engage in the use of a minority to avoid taking the vote. Budget is one of them.
... there are at least 26 laws on the books today abrogating the filibuster. For example:
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/rushton200504211218.asp <- Rushton
- You cannot filibuster a federal budget resolution (Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974).
- You cannot filibuster a resolution authorizing the use of force (War Powers Resolution).
- You cannot filibuster international trade agreements (Bipartisan Trade Promotion Authority Act of 2002).
- And as the minority leader, Sen. Harry Reid (D., Nev.), well knows, you cannot filibuster legislation under the Nuclear Waste Policy Act of 1982.
Isn’t this a violation of the separation of powers? I know the president advises members in Congress, but this article makes it sound like Obama is calling all the shots and the Senate just has to follow suit.
Thank goodness Robert Byrd has started seeing the light and is beginning to stand up.
51 is automatic in a 50-50 tie. Biden will be the tie breaker!!
Fascism will be here very soon, so the 'look' is appropriate!
With a 50-50 vote the Vice President has the tie-breaker vote.
Gee, the Republicans should ask to use the old “power sharing agreement” dems used when they in the minority. Do you remember this? The stupid republicans agreed and it effectively dissolved their majority status? I wonder how loud the dems would laugh if Boehner would today suggest such an agreement.
High Hopes, but if enough people called their reps, Sit on their door steps, and just plan make it known they are not with the “Hope and Change” O see’s there could be a possibility of several dem senators hold back It will be one large stretch because the political pressure from inside Washington will be great on the dem senators.
Never The Less if 51 senators voted against it we would win, at least until it came up again under different clothing.
School yard bullies typically get stomped harder in the end. We just need someone to do it.
A single “yes” to Marxism, and you will never be allowed out
If any rule in Congress is investigated, there’s usually another rule to block it. GOP need to sift through details.
With Joe Biden being able to break a 50-50 tie, that could work out...he might vote the wrong way out of confusion.
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