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'The Birthers' Continue to Hound Obama
AOL News ^ | Mar 1 09

Posted on 03/01/2009 1:00:07 PM PST by Rennes Templar

March 1) - Ever since Barack Obama became a prominent political fixture in the country, he has encountered a fair number of rumors and smears concerning him and his family.

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A lawsuit filed in California by a group called the United States Justice Foundation seeks records from Occidental College, where Obama attended school for a period, in order to verify his nationality.

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For the record, officials in Hawaii declared last October that there was no doubt Obama was born in the state. Officials verified that the health department holds the commander in chief's original birth certificate. But others are still undeterred.

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Get the full story about the Birthers at Politico.com to find out about the group's possible impact on the White House.

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Generally an attempt to marginalize the issue, but better than nothing.
1 posted on 03/01/2009 1:00:08 PM PST by Rennes Templar
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To: Rennes Templar

The little Obots are getting worried.


2 posted on 03/01/2009 1:03:19 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

All he had to do is produce the birth certificate and the “birthers” will go away. Why hasn’t it been produced?


3 posted on 03/01/2009 1:04:23 PM PST by LottieDah (If only those who speak so eloquently on the rights of animals would do so on behalf the unborn)
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To: Rennes Templar

another shoddy job on reporting facts.
No Official from hawaii has ever made any statement, they said there is a birth certificate on file is all, No facts have ever been released by anyone with regards to where or when. For if they did it would be a crime. No wonder AOL has lost all its value

eyeamok


4 posted on 03/01/2009 1:04:25 PM PST by eyeamok
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To: Rennes Templar

“Officials in Hawaii.” Well in that case, let’s just forget the whole thing. Hussein supporters wouldn’t even consider lying or covering up.


5 posted on 03/01/2009 1:04:53 PM PST by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: Rennes Templar

Never let up on this fraud.


6 posted on 03/01/2009 1:04:53 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's even tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Rennes Templar

“officials in Hawaii declared last October that there was no doubt Obama was born in the state.”

Could someone cut and paste where they said that?

“Officials verified that the health department holds the commander in chief’s original birth certificate.”

Yes, that is what they verified. The followup question never asked though is: When a child is born overseas, and then the mother registers his birth in Hawaii when she returns, are their original birth certificates held by Hawaii as well. Its a simple question, and could either shut up all the “birthers” or make it not so “kooky” to ask some questions.


7 posted on 03/01/2009 1:08:09 PM PST by icwhatudo
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To: icwhatudo

Keeping in mind we are living in an era of what the meaning of “is” is...

Then is it really “kooky” to ask what the meaning of “his original birth certificate is on file” means?


8 posted on 03/01/2009 1:11:17 PM PST by icwhatudo
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To: icwhatudo
“officials in Hawaii declared last October that there was no doubt Obama was born in the state.”

Could someone cut and paste where they said that?<

This is an outright lie by the media. Not one Hawaiian official said this.

9 posted on 03/01/2009 1:12:06 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

Sigh..I try soooo hard not to get involved with this. But then you see outright lies like that and it makes you start to ask more questions...


10 posted on 03/01/2009 1:13:40 PM PST by icwhatudo
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To: Rennes Templar
For the record, officials in Hawaii declared last October that there was no doubt Obama was born in the state. Officials verified that the health department holds the commander in chief's original birth certificate.

The 2nd sentence is true, the first is not.
11 posted on 03/01/2009 1:14:50 PM PST by stylin19a (Obama - the ethical exception asterisk administration)
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To: icwhatudo
But then you see outright lies like that and it makes you start to ask more questions...

I've seen all the official comments that have been made to the press. You show me that it's not a lie. You show where the state of Hawaii said Obama was born in Hawaii. You won't find it.

12 posted on 03/01/2009 1:16:39 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

And the Big 0 himself tends to get real jumpy about this stuff and then lashes out. I think they should just keep nipping away at him. Who knows what he might inadvertently blurt out.


13 posted on 03/01/2009 1:17:07 PM PST by FrdmLvr (What fresh hell is this?)
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To: dynachrome

AOL Poll Ping


14 posted on 03/01/2009 1:17:55 PM PST by peggybac (Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives. Ronald Reagan)
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To: icwhatudo
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15 posted on 03/01/2009 1:18:38 PM PST by Fred911 (YOU GET WHAT YOU ACCEPT)
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To: Rennes Templar

Cool it’s making some headlines.. Orly’s lawsuit with so many miltary members, state representatives, Obama’s family member in the military..what will the media do? :) This should be interesting...


16 posted on 03/01/2009 1:19:06 PM PST by TheBigJ
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To: Rennes Templar
"For the record, officials in Hawaii declared last October that there was no doubt Obama was born in the state."

No, they did not.

Below is the actual announcement...


17 posted on 03/01/2009 1:19:25 PM PST by papasmurf (Impeach the illegal bastard!)
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To: Red Steel

Red, my comments were about the media lies. Not you bud-LOL.

Seeing the media lie like that makes me want to ask more question about Obama.


18 posted on 03/01/2009 1:19:29 PM PST by icwhatudo
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To: Red Steel

Wasn’t it the press that accused the last President of “lacking intellectual curiosity”? In the case of the Burf Certifigate, and the associated issues surrounding it such as foreign-issued Passports, foreign trips in his youth, his application for the Illinois Bar Association, and absence of college records (including his benefactors that paid for his education), where is the drive-by media’s intellectual curiosity? Where were they on the Beau Biden, Larry Sinclair press conference, Joe Biden, extradition, dropped charges, and release fiasco? ....crickets....


19 posted on 03/01/2009 1:20:06 PM PST by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: Red Steel

All they have to do is produce the certificate of live birth and all this goes away. So why not? I think anyone with a brain knows the answer at least until the CIA can come up with a good forgery.

I wonder if anyone has checked the passport records of the zero’s alleged mother.


20 posted on 03/01/2009 1:20:09 PM PST by Mouton
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To: FrdmLvr
And the Big 0 himself tends to get real jumpy about this stuff and then lashes out. I think they should just keep nipping away at him. Who knows what he might inadvertently blurt out.

He lashed out 3 different times in 2008 that was seen on TV news, which did not draw any comment from anyone in the Main Stream Press.

21 posted on 03/01/2009 1:22:21 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Rennes Templar

Show the nation your documentation Obama and the rumors will go away. What do you have to hide in your college, birth, adoption and passport files buddy?


22 posted on 03/01/2009 1:23:14 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: papasmurf

Note the wording. They do not say he was born in Hawaii...only that his original birth certificate is on file. That doesn’t tell us where that birth certificate was from, does it?


23 posted on 03/01/2009 1:27:37 PM PST by Redleg Duke ("Sarah Palin...Unleashing the Fury of the Castrated Left!")
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To: Red Steel

And there are the associated questions like: Real name, father, religion, citizenship, college attendance status, college transcripts and work, passport to Pakistan and political records plus the latest having to do with funding his campaign. Hang tough Red.


24 posted on 03/01/2009 1:33:56 PM PST by mcshot (OMG! Is this the best they had to offer in the best interest of our Country?)
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To: Rennes Templar

AOL really stinks! and it’s surprizing that they think they can cover up ZERO’s Major Fraud Against AMERICA and OUR CONSTITUTION!! This is NOT going away! Just Show US ZERO’S LEGAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE! it only costs $10.50!! ZERO CANT!!
THATS THE STORY!! HE is Fraud:-( unfortunately for AMERICA!


25 posted on 03/01/2009 1:37:22 PM PST by True Republican Patriot (GOD BLESS AMERICA and Our Great President George W. Bush)
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To: Redleg Duke

Precisely!


26 posted on 03/01/2009 1:39:17 PM PST by upchuck (I'm glad I'm old. Thus I can remember when America was a decent, moral, God fearing country.)
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To: SERKIT

We got to look at Al Gore’s grades and the fact that he flunked out of both law school and divinity school. And Al was the smartest man in the world.


27 posted on 03/01/2009 1:42:49 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or, are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: papasmurf

Thanks for posting Papa as I had misplaced.


28 posted on 03/01/2009 1:51:59 PM PST by mcshot (OMG! Is this the best they had to offer in the best interest of our Country?)
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To: Rennes Templar

Alinsky rule #13: identify, isolate, freeze and escalate.


29 posted on 03/01/2009 1:55:29 PM PST by bootless (Never Forget. Never Again. And NEVER GIVE UP!)
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To: stylin19a

And what does the original birth certificate say? By whom was it issued? Taking that statement at face value, for all we know the health department could be holding the commander in chief’s original birth certificate issued by the Kenyan government. The statement is full of implication but contains nothing definitive. Gotta’ watch these guys, I’m telling you.


30 posted on 03/01/2009 1:59:28 PM PST by Ahithophel (Padron@Anniversario)
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To: LottieDah; Red Steel

The “birth certificate” is a red herring; he probably has a forged long form birth certificate (38 entries for information, including hospital and attending physician) all ready to go.

The real issue — natural born Citizen. Both parents must be U.S. citizens at the time of baby’s birth AND baby must be born on U.S. soil for their child to be a natural born citizen. Parents can be naturalized, native born, or natural born, but they must be U.S. citizens for their child to be eligible to become President of the U.S.A.

President Obama’s father, a British citizen, registered his son as a British citizen shortly after birth. Hence, Obama II is not a natural born citizen. If (and I use that word hesitently) he was born in Hawaii, he can claim to be a “native born” citizen but ineligible to run for President.

FYI — records from Occidental recently came to light that prove a student from Indonesia named Barry Soetoro accepted financial aid as a foreign student.

When living in Indonesia with his mom and stepdad, Obama was registered at a school as Barry Soetoro, Indonesian citizen and Muslim.

Here are excellent analyses of the “natural born Citizen” question.

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/11/
“Natural Born Citizens: Or How to Beat a Subject to Death with a Stick”, by Judah Benjamin, is a good place to start.

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/07/25/divided-loyalties-pt-1/
“Divided Loyalties, Obama’s Eligibility Problem, Part 1”, by Judah Benjamin

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/07/25/divided-loyalties-pt-2/
“Divided Loyalties, Obama’s Eligibility Problem, Part 2”, by Judah Benjamin


31 posted on 03/01/2009 2:04:42 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!!)
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To: papasmurf

Well, what this says is that he was born and that there is a birth certificate and that it has been seen by Dr. Fukino.

It is just a birth certificate stating where he was born, to whom and showing some foot print or other unique ID. If there is nothing to hide then why not produce it to the SCOTUS or some other bi-partisan group?

This stinks, keep up the pressure.


32 posted on 03/01/2009 2:04:44 PM PST by Sequoyah101 (Get the bats and light the hay)
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To: eyeamok

AOL urinalists seem to ape their MSM counterparts, assuring us from their lofty perch that what is patently not true is true.


33 posted on 03/01/2009 2:06:48 PM PST by AmericanVictory
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To: Mouton

“I wonder if anyone has checked the passport records of the zero’s alleged mother.”

Yes, supposedly they were acquired through FOIA.

Stanley Ann D. Obama was outside of the United States at the time of Barack Hussein Obama II’s birth. She did not re-enter the U.S. until August 8, 1961, four days after he was born. Sorry I can’t remember who found this information and therefore can’t supply a link, but it came to light a couple days after the election this past November.

Additional info: Stanley Ann enrolled in the University of Washington, at Seattle, WA, for the 1961 Fall semester. She majored in Mathematics, graduating in 1963. She is supposed to have married Lolo Soetoro sometime in 1963-1964 after procuring a divorce from Obama Sr. I don’t know if the Obama divorce papers have yet come to light, but I do know that the Soetoro divorce papers, filed in Hawaii in the early 1980’s, did make it into public purview. Those state that Stanley Ann and Lolo had two children, a son and a daughter. This indicates that Lolo adopted Barack H. Obama II when he was still an infant.


34 posted on 03/01/2009 2:20:02 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!!)
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To: Rennes Templar
'The Birthers' Continue to Hound Obama

He can end it quickly and simply by releasing his original Birth Certificate.

35 posted on 03/01/2009 2:22:59 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Faith Manages.)
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To: papasmurf

Maybe someone should ask Fukino if they also have Burdock Obama’s half-sister’s BC on file. She was not born there, but has a Certificate Of Live Birth also from Hawaii. At least that’s what I’ve read. Am I wrong?


36 posted on 03/01/2009 2:24:42 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: SatinDoll

“She did not re-enter the U.S. until August 8, 1961, four days after he was born.”
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i remember reading that, probably on the same thread as you did.

Strange how those facts seemed to disappear from websites after it was posted here...


37 posted on 03/01/2009 2:25:17 PM PST by Canedawg (Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press.)
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To: True Republican Patriot

Uh, they merged with Time Warner, publishers of Time Magazine and countless other liberal magazines.

Why are you bummed they aren’t honest? It’s not in their nature.


38 posted on 03/01/2009 2:37:27 PM PST by ConservativeMind (Who is now in charge of the "Office of the President-Elect"?)
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To: SatinDoll
The “birth certificate” is a red herring; he probably has a forged long form birth certificate (38 entries for information, including hospital and attending physician) all ready to go.

Maybe, but Obama would have to switch it with the one they have on file in Hawaii which needs conspirators to break in or do an inside job. Hawaii may also have backup certified copies of all birth certificates and other supporting documenting evidence in another location, which would have to be taken into consideration.

I agree. Obama is not a natural born citizen since he inherited British/Kenyan citizenship at birth.

39 posted on 03/01/2009 2:42:44 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: SatinDoll
What's further curious is Obama is ready to cut a deal; "TO TALK 'GLOBAL NEW DEAL' WITH UK PM. Obama knows that the UK may have evidence of his Kenyan birth so he bribes them by throwing money at the UK to keep quit about his origins.

He has courted the Hawaiian governor the same way by berrying gifts.

See the pattern.

40 posted on 03/01/2009 3:00:48 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Rennes Templar
For the record, officials in Hawaii declared last October that there was no doubt Obama was born in the state. Officials verified that the health department holds the commander in chief's original birth certificate. But others are still undeterred.
How very deceptive.
For the record, this is exactly what was said...
STATEMENT BY DR. CHIYOME FUKINO
“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.
“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.
“No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai‘i.”

For the record, somebody needs to do some accurate reporting. That statement by officials in Hawaii does not say he was "born in the state". The second sentence is accurate. The first sentence is conjecture. Conjecture is not reporting.

41 posted on 03/01/2009 3:01:28 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: stylin19a

Glad to see someone else called it. See #41.


42 posted on 03/01/2009 3:02:20 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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Nice job! Two caught it before me. (#41) I'm going to have to start reading the threads before I comment.
That throw away "for the record" must have irked others as well.
43 posted on 03/01/2009 3:05:06 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Red Steel

Yes, no doubt the Brits can blackmail him. I saw that, too; about talking “Global New Deal”.

Horrifying. He is going to gut this nation to feed other nations.


44 posted on 03/01/2009 3:05:54 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!!)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

“Obama’s half-sister’s BC on file. She was not born there, but has a Certificate Of Live Birth also from Hawaii. At least that’s what I’ve read. Am I wrong?”

My understanding is that this hypothesis was put forth by TechDude, and I believe he (more specifically, the reasons he gave for the online BC being forged) has been discredited by all sides. I don’t believe we know whether Maya has a Hawaiian COLB.


45 posted on 03/01/2009 3:07:24 PM PST by canaan
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To: icwhatudo
Sigh..I try soooo hard not to get involved with this. But then you see outright lies like that and it makes you start to ask more questions...

That's me too.

At first I blew this thing off. However the way the 0bama people are handling it and the way the drones in the media keep misrepresenting facts just makes me think something is very wrong.

The indisputable fact remains that Obama has yet to prove he's a natural-born citizen. He absolutely refuses to do so.

46 posted on 03/01/2009 3:13:53 PM PST by AAABEST (And the light shineth in darkness: and the darkness did not comprehend it)
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To: canaan

“I don’t believe we know whether Maya has a Hawaiian COLB.”

Thanks! It’s hard to keep track of everything that’s floating around!


47 posted on 03/01/2009 3:18:07 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Red Steel
What's further curious is Obama is ready to cut a deal;...

Here is the same story with a more accurate headline.
British PM to Propose 'Global New Deal' to Rescue World's Economy
British Prime Minister Gordon Brown will propose a "global new deal" to rescue the world's economy when he makes his first visit to the U.S. since President Obama's inauguration, the Times of London reports.

I don't see anything saying 44 was ready to cut a deal.
Besides, Brown should be coming to talk to Congress. Obama isn't a King! (yet)

The First 100 Days: Franklin Roosevelt Pioneered the 100-Day Concept
Roosevelt immediately called Congress into special session and kept it there for three months. He found that the Democrats who were in control were eager to do his bidding, and even some Republicans were cooperative. Raymond Moley, a member of FDR's inner circle, said many legislators "had forgotten to be Republicans or Democrats" as they worked together to relieve the crisis.
The origins of "bipartisanship".

"It's like déjà vu all over again." Yogi Berra

48 posted on 03/01/2009 3:25:41 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: canaan

ZERO’S Sister also stated on a CNN Interview that ZERO didn’t stop going by Barry Soetoro until “After Barry transferred to Columbia University!” So all thru High School and thru Two Years at Occidental College and until after ZERO applied to Columbia AND started classes he was barry Soetoro,something he covered up purposely on his Bar Application. A Key question for the Kenyan Born ZERO, “What is ZERO’S Legal Name?? No Legal Birth Certificate is OUTRAGEOUS! and to spend Millions of Dollars in Legal Fees to Hide Whatever The Truth Is destroys any semblance of Reality! ZERO is making a Mockery of America’s Sacred Constitution and Our America, Itself! OUTRAGEOUS!!


49 posted on 03/01/2009 3:27:18 PM PST by True Republican Patriot (GOD BLESS AMERICA and Our Great President George W. Bush)
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To: Rennes Templar

justice delayed is justice denied


50 posted on 03/01/2009 3:35:01 PM PST by BlueDragon
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