Skip to comments.Obamaís Friday order to Catholic hospitals: Shut up, commit abortions or Iíll shut you down
Posted on 03/02/2009 5:53:22 AM PST by jmaroneps37
The underhanded Obama administration has quietly moved to rescind the conscience clause found in agreements between the federal government and Catholic hospitals.
This conscience clause has always protected practitioners from being forced to commit abortions in violation of their consciences. Its removal means Catholic hospitals will be forced to choose between federal funds for committing abortions and closing down to maintain a clear conscience.
Phonies with egg on their faces
Nevertheless, phony Catholic judas goats like Douglas Kmiec are still beating their chests with pride at having delivered 52% of the Catholic vote to the abortion team last fall.
In January Kmiec smugly wrote The scurrilous remarks of conservative bloggers missed the point, which was that I and millions of others who voted for Obama did so not despite our Catholic faith but because of it.
As a proud conservative blogger I have to ask this vile man how voting for a monster who could allow miracle abortion surviving infants to die unattended on a cold steel table in a broom closet is Catholic faith.
Reminding us why print media is dying, two weeks ago Times Amy Sullivan instructed us confused Catholics, that FOCA does not even exist. Insisting it will not be considered, she gently explains FOCA is merely a myth imagined by our Bishops which will not be voted on in Congress so it cant threaten the sanctity of life.
Perhaps Sullivan could discern a comforting difference between being sent to a work camp rather than a concentration camp but her logic escapes me.
The truth may be Obama doesnt sign anything named FOCA, but whether its called FOCA or the Sunshine and Applesauce law, hell sign a law extorting Catholic hospitals into committing abortions thereby killing Catholic hospitals.
Obamas sneaky order proves both of these phonies wrong.
(Excerpt) Read more at collinsreport.net ...
If I was a Catholic hospital director I would announce that I would not take the money. And, then announce the closing date.
While I do not agree with any of Obama's rules, I do believe that this type of thing should be a teaching moment for entities which accept federal funds but have disagreements with the strings attached to those funds. Find a way to cut the cord.
Everything the 60’s radicals used to get us here, we'll need to use to take us back to what our Founding Fathers created.
They can’t. Every hospital in the US receives some kind of federal money.
There is one bishop who has said that he will close down, and there are others who have said they will go to jail, I hope they are serious.
Guess we’ll soon see how many have consciences of convenience.
and without federal funding, the hospitals should quit giving medical care to illegal aliens and others showing up at the emergency rooms with non-emergency medical issues...
Ya know, thats a great take.I like it.
Abortion=Government sponsored ritual murder!
Catholic hospitals should simply and accept federal money and tell obama sure we will only abort black babies wonder how well that would play with the word twister obama?
How could he do this during Lent, our most holy month? Catholics will be rioting in the street.
Oh wait, we aren’t Muslims.
The blow back can’t come soon enough for me. Obama and all the stooges who voted for Pelosi war on America are really pissing me off with all the porkulus crap they dumped on us...and expect our grandkids to pay for.
Molech be appeased.
It isn’t that the government supports them with money, it is that the government supports poor people with Medicaid and then there is Medicare for retirees, all considered government money. So if they can’t accept those they might as well close because they’d just have to become expensive private hospitals that couldn’t help the people they were created to help.
I hear you - there comes a time when one must stand on principle. And, this is such a time.
I sense quite a few doctors easing into early retirement over this issue (not to mention the national health care boondoggle).
Don’t you just love the way leftists respond when their plans are exposed?
“Oh, that law/idea/agenda doesn’t even exist, you’re just making stuff up.”
Libs, this is YOU:
You belong to your father the devil, and you want to do what he wants. He was a murderer from the beginning and was against the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he tells a lie, he shows what he is really like, because he is a liar and the father of lies
God help the first women who walks in the hospital for the abortion. You no she will be a N.O.W. type of gal who is testing the waters.
Let's see how long it takes for the howls and screams to start. In many places the only health care available to people is from Catholic hospitals or clinics. Close them all down. Let Obama lay hands on them and cure theeir infirmaties!
Medicare & Medicaid
>>While I do not agree with any of Obama’s rules, I do believe that this type of thing should be a teaching moment for entities which accept federal funds but have disagreements with the strings attached to those funds. Find a way to cut the cord. <<
Maybe I don’t understand.
What kind of federal money are they taking?
If it is Medicaid, then what you are saying is that the Hospitals should treat patients for free. Because they are required by law to treat anyone who walks into their emergency room. A woman in labor, a kid with a broken arm, or a drug overdose, they are required to stabilize that patient or treat if life threatening.
If they don’t take Medicaid, they get nothing.
I was the Office Manager for the head Psych in a Cleveland hospital. His treatment cost 120.00 an hour, but because he was the Head Psych, he was passed all Medicaid patients. There was a huge amount of paperwork connected to them and we saw 60.00 on each. After they were stabilized, we could pass them onto the Charity Hospital for long term treatment (which was a Catholic Hospital, btw) Many times, a slip in the paperwork (or a whim from the government) meant that we had to resubmit with more paperwork and after the third try, we let it go and wrote it off.
How much free work should be required by a Catholic Hospital? I say, close them. My check to my parish pays for them. Let the Medicaid patients go somewhere else.
You can’t cut the cord in health care. Medicare and Medicaide are federal programs.
I suggest this tactic with public schools and works as well.
Stop taking federal funds and run your own state/schools/highways/hospitals.
Now, the second conundrum; North Dakota has passed a law recognizing the humanity of an embryo and fetus. How does this jibe with the dear leader's dictate?
If they were allowed to stop accepting Medicaid PATIENTS as well as Medicaid DOLLARS, that would be fine. As it is, they'll be treating them for free, which means they WILL be closing, either in protest or in bankruptcy.
Horrific, if true. Can anyone cite a source other than Collin's one-sentence assertion?
maybe the feds will try to seize the hospitals, if they try to close. emminent domain and all.
i welcome the showdown.
What’s this about a guy named Farrakhan being Obama’s REAL dad, and THAT’S why he keeps the birth certificate under SEAL? Can anyone here elaborate and give more details?
Now you know why Obama wants to limit the deduction for charitable contributions: to force hospitals to take federal money when charitable contributions dry up.
I can now say it freely: Obama is pure EVIL.
I'm sure the Obama administration would be happy to pick up the slack, and continue to operate the hospital directly.
Do the Catholic Hospitals put their faith in the Government for financial support, or Christ - the Name by which these hospitals exist?
THe catholic hospital in Baton Rouge is Our Lady of Lake. THey have no ob services. What does this mean in terms of a hospital such as this? Will they be required to have an “abortion” service?
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A Friday in Lent makes it that much more poignant.
This is exactly why I disagree with government funded faith-based initiatives. It steals our right to practice out faith.
Do they not even have Labor and Delivery? I was thinking that dumping the entire OB-GYN practice might exempt a hospital, but I didn't think any of them already had. If they did, they're very forward-thinking.
From what I know that only applies to hospitals which accept government money of any sort. If a hospital is 100% private (there are some) then they are not subject to this requirement.
Coburn is a OB-GYN doctor
This “order” was apparently issued Friday. Anybody have the source for this? It’s helpful to have the facts laid out before lambasting my Catholic Democrat Senator.
I guess I am confused. Does a President have the legal power to do this? One man can simply erase laws?
The solution for Catholic hospitals is clear: stop taking money from evil.
Importantly, some physicians have for years now learned a great secret: if you refuse Medicare, Medicaid, and Insurance payments, your costs are so reduced that you can make more money while charging only half of what you did before. 50% off for patients, and more profits.
It is false to believe that accepting federal money is the only way to help the poor. Only now does it become obvious that to take the easy route means death.
And by refusing federal money, Catholic hospitals are also freed from the clutches of evil in other ways. For example, patients who use Catholic hospitals will no longer have their medical records kept by the government.
The cross can be openly displayed without offending Muslims. And if some Muslim sees a cross and is offended, he can be told to bugger off.
Nurses and Doctors can pray for the health and recovery of their patients, and priests and nuns can offer solace to the sick without having to be “non-denominational”.
Christmas and Easter can be celebrated in the hospital again.
What has been lost by taking federal money?
Word is that Obama was waiting to get his Health and Human Services secretary before going full bore at the law.
He picked her on Saturday ( The Kansas Governor who supports abortionist Tiller)
“I mean, what are the consequences?”
Lawsuits; with the force of federal law behind them. I think that’s scarier than going to jail for most of these Doctors.
Just because something is legal doesn’t mean that people have to be compelled to do it.
Are there any Islamic Hospitals in the USA? If so, do they committ abortions?
Would not medicare/caid payments be for services rendered?
Yes, but it's still federal money. They won't get paid for the services they DO provide if they refuse to provide Obama's OTHER services as well.
Years ago, when I worked in a bar in Minneapolis, the city passed a law that bars could only be open on Sunday if they served food. The owner of the bar bought a couple of TV dinners and put them in the freezer - in case we were ever inspected, those were the Sunday dinners. Possibly a hospital could stock abortion equipment from the sixteenth century and say that abortions ARE available, and here's the instruments we'll be doing them with.