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Obamaís Friday order to Catholic hospitals: Shut up, commit abortions or Iíll shut you down
The Collins Report ^ | March 2, 2009 | Kevin "Coach" Collins

Posted on 03/02/2009 5:53:22 AM PST by jmaroneps37

The underhanded Obama administration has quietly moved to rescind the “conscience clause” found in agreements between the federal government and Catholic hospitals.

This “conscience clause” has always protected practitioners from being forced to commit abortions in violation of their consciences. Its removal means Catholic hospitals will be forced to choose between federal funds for committing abortions and closing down to maintain a clear conscience.

Phonies with egg on their faces

Nevertheless, phony “Catholic” judas goats like Douglas Kmiec are still beating their chests with pride at having delivered 52% of the Catholic vote to the abortion team last fall.

In January Kmiec smugly wrote “The scurrilous remarks of conservative bloggers missed the point, which was that I and millions of others who voted for Obama did so not despite our Catholic faith but because of it.”

As a proud “conservative blogger” I have to ask this vile man how voting for a monster who could allow miracle abortion surviving infants to die unattended on a cold steel table in a broom closet is Catholic faith.

Reminding us why print media is dying, two weeks ago Time’s Amy Sullivan instructed us “confused Catholics”, that FOCA does not even exist. Insisting it will not be considered, she gently explains FOCA is merely a myth imagined by our Bishops which will not be voted on in Congress so it can’t threaten the sanctity of life.

Perhaps Sullivan could discern a comforting difference between being sent to a “work camp” rather than a “concentration camp” but her logic escapes me.

The truth may be Obama doesn’t sign anything named FOCA, but whether it’s called FOCA or the Sunshine and Applesauce law, he’ll sign a law extorting Catholic hospitals into committing abortions thereby killing Catholic hospitals.

Obama’s sneaky order proves both of these phonies wrong.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: New York
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Comrade Obama thinks all of us are as stupid as the dopes that voted for him. The storm is coming and he will be surprised at the powerful blow back it brings.
1 posted on 03/02/2009 5:53:23 AM PST by jmaroneps37
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To: jmaroneps37

If I was a Catholic hospital director I would announce that I would not take the money. And, then announce the closing date.


2 posted on 03/02/2009 5:56:21 AM PST by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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To: jmaroneps37
Catholic hospitals should simply quit accepting federal money.

While I do not agree with any of Obama's rules, I do believe that this type of thing should be a teaching moment for entities which accept federal funds but have disagreements with the strings attached to those funds. Find a way to cut the cord.

3 posted on 03/02/2009 5:56:29 AM PST by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: jmaroneps37
Civil disobedience, folks.

Everything the 60’s radicals used to get us here, we'll need to use to take us back to what our Founding Fathers created.

4 posted on 03/02/2009 5:58:54 AM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (The Stimulus Package: Preamble to the Democrat's new Declaration of In Dependence)
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To: pnh102

They can’t. Every hospital in the US receives some kind of federal money.


5 posted on 03/02/2009 5:59:52 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: raybbr

There is one bishop who has said that he will close down, and there are others who have said they will go to jail, I hope they are serious.


6 posted on 03/02/2009 6:01:08 AM PST by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: jmaroneps37

Guess we’ll soon see how many have consciences of convenience.


7 posted on 03/02/2009 6:01:09 AM PST by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: jmaroneps37
so the Catholic hospitals will refuse federal funds...
the Catholic schools have not only survived but prospered for decades without federal funding...

and without federal funding, the hospitals should quit giving medical care to illegal aliens and others showing up at the emergency rooms with non-emergency medical issues...

next...

8 posted on 03/02/2009 6:01:21 AM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

Ya know, thats a great take.I like it.


9 posted on 03/02/2009 6:02:07 AM PST by VaRepublican (I would propagate taglines but I don't know how.)
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To: jmaroneps37

Abortion=Government sponsored ritual murder!


10 posted on 03/02/2009 6:02:27 AM PST by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli now reads "Oil the gun..eat the cannolis.")
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To: Salvation; NYer; narses; A.A. Cunningham

ping


11 posted on 03/02/2009 6:02:53 AM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: pnh102

Catholic hospitals should simply and accept federal money and tell obama sure we will only abort black babies wonder how well that would play with the word twister obama?


12 posted on 03/02/2009 6:03:13 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: jmaroneps37

How could he do this during Lent, our most holy month? Catholics will be rioting in the street.

Oh wait, we aren’t Muslims.


13 posted on 03/02/2009 6:03:37 AM PST by Betis70
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To: jmaroneps37
I guess what i need answered is this, if Catholic hospitals still refuse to perform abortions, what will happen? I mean, what are the consequences?
14 posted on 03/02/2009 6:03:42 AM PST by joe fonebone (When you ask God for help, sometimes he sends the Marines.)
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To: jmaroneps37

The blow back can’t come soon enough for me. Obama and all the stooges who voted for Pelosi war on America are really pissing me off with all the porkulus crap they dumped on us...and expect our grandkids to pay for.


15 posted on 03/02/2009 6:04:44 AM PST by GBA
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To: Don Corleone

Molech be appeased.


16 posted on 03/02/2009 6:05:12 AM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: pnh102

It isn’t that the government supports them with money, it is that the government supports poor people with Medicaid and then there is Medicare for retirees, all considered government money. So if they can’t accept those they might as well close because they’d just have to become expensive private hospitals that couldn’t help the people they were created to help.


17 posted on 03/02/2009 6:05:33 AM PST by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: jmaroneps37
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18 posted on 03/02/2009 6:05:38 AM PST by ladyvet (WOLVERINES!!!!!)
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To: raybbr
If I was a Catholic hospital director I would announce that I would not take the money. And, then announce the closing date.

I hear you - there comes a time when one must stand on principle. And, this is such a time.

I sense quite a few doctors easing into early retirement over this issue (not to mention the national health care boondoggle).

19 posted on 03/02/2009 6:06:18 AM PST by meyer (The left is flooding the ship - let's quit bailing water. We are all John Galt.)
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To: jmaroneps37

Don’t you just love the way leftists respond when their plans are exposed?

“Oh, that law/idea/agenda doesn’t even exist, you’re just making stuff up.”

Libs, this is YOU:
John 8:44
You belong to your father the devil, and you want to do what he wants. He was a murderer from the beginning and was against the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he tells a lie, he shows what he is really like, because he is a liar and the father of lies


20 posted on 03/02/2009 6:06:47 AM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: jmaroneps37

God help the first women who walks in the hospital for the abortion. You no she will be a N.O.W. type of gal who is testing the waters.


21 posted on 03/02/2009 6:06:57 AM PST by blueyon (Obama the honeymoon is over, I want a divorce!)
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To: jmaroneps37
Close all Catholic hospitals, clinics and any other health care facilities. The Bishops ought to stand up as one and denounce Obama, this action by Obama and then announce closure of all Catholic health facilities.

Let's see how long it takes for the howls and screams to start. In many places the only health care available to people is from Catholic hospitals or clinics. Close them all down. Let Obama lay hands on them and cure theeir infirmaties!

22 posted on 03/02/2009 6:07:11 AM PST by pgkdan
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
“They can’t. Every hospital in the US receives some kind of federal money.”

Medicare & Medicaid

23 posted on 03/02/2009 6:07:27 AM PST by Western Phil
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To: pnh102

>>While I do not agree with any of Obama’s rules, I do believe that this type of thing should be a teaching moment for entities which accept federal funds but have disagreements with the strings attached to those funds. Find a way to cut the cord. <<

Maybe I don’t understand.
What kind of federal money are they taking?

If it is Medicaid, then what you are saying is that the Hospitals should treat patients for free. Because they are required by law to treat anyone who walks into their emergency room. A woman in labor, a kid with a broken arm, or a drug overdose, they are required to stabilize that patient or treat if life threatening.

If they don’t take Medicaid, they get nothing.

I was the Office Manager for the head Psych in a Cleveland hospital. His treatment cost 120.00 an hour, but because he was the Head Psych, he was passed all Medicaid patients. There was a huge amount of paperwork connected to them and we saw 60.00 on each. After they were stabilized, we could pass them onto the Charity Hospital for long term treatment (which was a Catholic Hospital, btw) Many times, a slip in the paperwork (or a whim from the government) meant that we had to resubmit with more paperwork and after the third try, we let it go and wrote it off.

How much free work should be required by a Catholic Hospital? I say, close them. My check to my parish pays for them. Let the Medicaid patients go somewhere else.


24 posted on 03/02/2009 6:07:58 AM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: pnh102

You can’t cut the cord in health care. Medicare and Medicaide are federal programs.


25 posted on 03/02/2009 6:08:37 AM PST by pgkdan
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To: jmaroneps37
Why not simply refuse federal funding?
If the community wants the hospital there, let them fund it.
Why can't the diocese fund it?
Cut costs by ending the illegal invaders free lunch.
Just because they refuse federal funding, is no reason to close down.

I suggest this tactic with public schools and works as well.
Stop taking federal funds and run your own state/schools/highways/hospitals.

26 posted on 03/02/2009 6:09:30 AM PST by Just A Nobody (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: jmaroneps37
The hospitals should refuse the money and either do what they can without government money or close. Here, in my part of western ND, closing the Catholic hospital would close the only hospital in the south western 1/4 of the state. An equivalent facility would then be as much as 200 miles away. Perhaps the folks would get enough.

Now, the second conundrum; North Dakota has passed a law recognizing the humanity of an embryo and fetus. How does this jibe with the dear leader's dictate?

27 posted on 03/02/2009 6:09:35 AM PST by Lion Den Dan
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To: pnh102
Catholic hospitals should simply quit accepting federal money.

If they were allowed to stop accepting Medicaid PATIENTS as well as Medicaid DOLLARS, that would be fine. As it is, they'll be treating them for free, which means they WILL be closing, either in protest or in bankruptcy.

28 posted on 03/02/2009 6:09:52 AM PST by nina0113 (Hugh Akston is my hero.)
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To: jmaroneps37
"The underhanded Obama administration has quietly moved to rescind the “conscience clause” found in agreements between the federal government and Catholic hospitals."

Horrific, if true. Can anyone cite a source other than Collin's one-sentence assertion?

29 posted on 03/02/2009 6:10:29 AM PST by cookcounty ("Think, Schumer! It's plain as the egg on your face!")
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To: jmaroneps37

maybe the feds will try to seize the hospitals, if they try to close. emminent domain and all.

i welcome the showdown.


30 posted on 03/02/2009 6:11:08 AM PST by campaignPete R-CT
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To: jmaroneps37

What’s this about a guy named Farrakhan being Obama’s REAL dad, and THAT’S why he keeps the birth certificate under SEAL? Can anyone here elaborate and give more details?


31 posted on 03/02/2009 6:11:09 AM PST by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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To: pnh102
Catholic hospitals should simply quit accepting federal money.

Now you know why Obama wants to limit the deduction for charitable contributions: to force hospitals to take federal money when charitable contributions dry up.

I can now say it freely: Obama is pure EVIL.

32 posted on 03/02/2009 6:11:13 AM PST by Night Hides Not (Don't blame me...I voted for Palin!)
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To: raybbr
If I was a Catholic hospital director I would announce that I would not take the money. And, then announce the closing date.

I'm sure the Obama administration would be happy to pick up the slack, and continue to operate the hospital directly.

33 posted on 03/02/2009 6:14:57 AM PST by CharacterCounts (November 4, 2008 - the day America drank the Kool-Aid)
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To: raybbr
If I was a Catholic hospital director I would announce that I would not take the money. And, then announce the closing date.

Do the Catholic Hospitals put their faith in the Government for financial support, or Christ - the Name by which these hospitals exist?

34 posted on 03/02/2009 6:15:40 AM PST by uptoolate (Shhh. If you listen real hard, God is speaking to America.)
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To: Night Hides Not

THe catholic hospital in Baton Rouge is Our Lady of Lake. THey have no ob services. What does this mean in terms of a hospital such as this? Will they be required to have an “abortion” service?


35 posted on 03/02/2009 6:16:21 AM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: jmaroneps37

bump for later


36 posted on 03/02/2009 6:16:49 AM PST by stockpirate (A people unwilling to use violent force to preserve liberty deserve the tyrants that rule them. SP-0)
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To: jmaroneps37

A Friday in Lent makes it that much more poignant.


37 posted on 03/02/2009 6:18:38 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: pnh102

This is exactly why I disagree with government funded faith-based initiatives. It steals our right to practice out faith.


38 posted on 03/02/2009 6:19:29 AM PST by ShandaLear (Where's My Stuff???!!!)
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To: netmilsmom; pgkdan; Western Phil; tiki
Would not medicare/caid payments be for services rendered?
Why would that qualify as federal funds?
Are those payments for services the only federal funds the hospitals receive?
39 posted on 03/02/2009 6:19:49 AM PST by Just A Nobody (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: cajungirl
THe catholic hospital in Baton Rouge is Our Lady of Lake. THey have no ob services.

Do they not even have Labor and Delivery? I was thinking that dumping the entire OB-GYN practice might exempt a hospital, but I didn't think any of them already had. If they did, they're very forward-thinking.

40 posted on 03/02/2009 6:20:07 AM PST by nina0113 (Hugh Akston is my hero.)
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To: netmilsmom
Because they are required by law to treat anyone who walks into their emergency room.

From what I know that only applies to hospitals which accept government money of any sort. If a hospital is 100% private (there are some) then they are not subject to this requirement.

41 posted on 03/02/2009 6:20:56 AM PST by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: jmaroneps37
Senator Coburn has openly stated that he will go to jail before he takes part in any procedure that against his moral beliefs.

Coburn is a OB-GYN doctor

42 posted on 03/02/2009 6:22:32 AM PST by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: cookcounty

This “order” was apparently issued Friday. Anybody have the source for this? It’s helpful to have the facts laid out before lambasting my Catholic Democrat Senator.


43 posted on 03/02/2009 6:22:40 AM PST by cookcounty ("Think, Schumer! It's plain as the egg on your face!")
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To: jmaroneps37

I guess I am confused. Does a President have the legal power to do this? One man can simply erase laws?


44 posted on 03/02/2009 6:23:12 AM PST by Toespi
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To: jmaroneps37

The solution for Catholic hospitals is clear: stop taking money from evil.

Importantly, some physicians have for years now learned a great secret: if you refuse Medicare, Medicaid, and Insurance payments, your costs are so reduced that you can make more money while charging only half of what you did before. 50% off for patients, and more profits.

It is false to believe that accepting federal money is the only way to help the poor. Only now does it become obvious that to take the easy route means death.

And by refusing federal money, Catholic hospitals are also freed from the clutches of evil in other ways. For example, patients who use Catholic hospitals will no longer have their medical records kept by the government.

The cross can be openly displayed without offending Muslims. And if some Muslim sees a cross and is offended, he can be told to bugger off.

Nurses and Doctors can pray for the health and recovery of their patients, and priests and nuns can offer solace to the sick without having to be “non-denominational”.

Christmas and Easter can be celebrated in the hospital again.

What has been lost by taking federal money?


45 posted on 03/02/2009 6:23:35 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: cookcounty
Quite a few threads about the conscience clause since Friday.

Word is that Obama was waiting to get his Health and Human Services secretary before going full bore at the law.

He picked her on Saturday ( The Kansas Governor who supports abortionist Tiller)

46 posted on 03/02/2009 6:27:09 AM PST by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: joe fonebone

“I mean, what are the consequences?”

Lawsuits; with the force of federal law behind them. I think that’s scarier than going to jail for most of these Doctors.


47 posted on 03/02/2009 6:27:27 AM PST by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( The Constitution needs No interpreting, only APPLICATION!)
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To: jmaroneps37

Just because something is legal doesn’t mean that people have to be compelled to do it.


48 posted on 03/02/2009 6:27:41 AM PST by popdonnelly (I don't live my life to gain the approval of liberals and leftists.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Are there any Islamic Hospitals in the USA? If so, do they committ abortions?


49 posted on 03/02/2009 6:27:52 AM PST by Broker ( Pakikisama)
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To: Just A Nobody
Hey, how you doing?

Would not medicare/caid payments be for services rendered?

Yes, but it's still federal money. They won't get paid for the services they DO provide if they refuse to provide Obama's OTHER services as well.

Years ago, when I worked in a bar in Minneapolis, the city passed a law that bars could only be open on Sunday if they served food. The owner of the bar bought a couple of TV dinners and put them in the freezer - in case we were ever inspected, those were the Sunday dinners. Possibly a hospital could stock abortion equipment from the sixteenth century and say that abortions ARE available, and here's the instruments we'll be doing them with.

50 posted on 03/02/2009 6:28:07 AM PST by nina0113 (Hugh Akston is my hero.)
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