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Obama’s Friday order to Catholic hospitals: Shut up, commit abortions or I’ll shut you down
The Collins Report ^ | March 2, 2009 | Kevin "Coach" Collins

Posted on 03/02/2009 5:53:22 AM PST by jmaroneps37

The underhanded Obama administration has quietly moved to rescind the “conscience clause” found in agreements between the federal government and Catholic hospitals.

This “conscience clause” has always protected practitioners from being forced to commit abortions in violation of their consciences. Its removal means Catholic hospitals will be forced to choose between federal funds for committing abortions and closing down to maintain a clear conscience.

Phonies with egg on their faces

Nevertheless, phony “Catholic” judas goats like Douglas Kmiec are still beating their chests with pride at having delivered 52% of the Catholic vote to the abortion team last fall.

In January Kmiec smugly wrote “The scurrilous remarks of conservative bloggers missed the point, which was that I and millions of others who voted for Obama did so not despite our Catholic faith but because of it.”

As a proud “conservative blogger” I have to ask this vile man how voting for a monster who could allow miracle abortion surviving infants to die unattended on a cold steel table in a broom closet is Catholic faith.

Reminding us why print media is dying, two weeks ago Time’s Amy Sullivan instructed us “confused Catholics”, that FOCA does not even exist. Insisting it will not be considered, she gently explains FOCA is merely a myth imagined by our Bishops which will not be voted on in Congress so it can’t threaten the sanctity of life.

Perhaps Sullivan could discern a comforting difference between being sent to a “work camp” rather than a “concentration camp” but her logic escapes me.

The truth may be Obama doesn’t sign anything named FOCA, but whether it’s called FOCA or the Sunshine and Applesauce law, he’ll sign a law extorting Catholic hospitals into committing abortions thereby killing Catholic hospitals.

Obama’s sneaky order proves both of these phonies wrong.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: agenda; babykiller; bho2009; bho44; bhoabortion; bhohealthcare; bo; catholic; catholichospitals; catholics; clingtoreligion; conscienceclause; culturewar; deathindustry; democrats; foca; focastarts; infanticide; kmiec; molloch; moralabsolutes; murderbymandate; prodeath; prolife; unamerican; unconstitutional
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To: jmaroneps37

God help the first women who walks in the hospital for the abortion. You no she will be a N.O.W. type of gal who is testing the waters.


21 posted on 03/02/2009 6:06:57 AM PST by blueyon (Obama the honeymoon is over, I want a divorce!)
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To: jmaroneps37
Close all Catholic hospitals, clinics and any other health care facilities. The Bishops ought to stand up as one and denounce Obama, this action by Obama and then announce closure of all Catholic health facilities.

Let's see how long it takes for the howls and screams to start. In many places the only health care available to people is from Catholic hospitals or clinics. Close them all down. Let Obama lay hands on them and cure theeir infirmaties!

22 posted on 03/02/2009 6:07:11 AM PST by pgkdan
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
“They can’t. Every hospital in the US receives some kind of federal money.”

Medicare & Medicaid

23 posted on 03/02/2009 6:07:27 AM PST by Western Phil
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To: pnh102

>>While I do not agree with any of Obama’s rules, I do believe that this type of thing should be a teaching moment for entities which accept federal funds but have disagreements with the strings attached to those funds. Find a way to cut the cord. <<

Maybe I don’t understand.
What kind of federal money are they taking?

If it is Medicaid, then what you are saying is that the Hospitals should treat patients for free. Because they are required by law to treat anyone who walks into their emergency room. A woman in labor, a kid with a broken arm, or a drug overdose, they are required to stabilize that patient or treat if life threatening.

If they don’t take Medicaid, they get nothing.

I was the Office Manager for the head Psych in a Cleveland hospital. His treatment cost 120.00 an hour, but because he was the Head Psych, he was passed all Medicaid patients. There was a huge amount of paperwork connected to them and we saw 60.00 on each. After they were stabilized, we could pass them onto the Charity Hospital for long term treatment (which was a Catholic Hospital, btw) Many times, a slip in the paperwork (or a whim from the government) meant that we had to resubmit with more paperwork and after the third try, we let it go and wrote it off.

How much free work should be required by a Catholic Hospital? I say, close them. My check to my parish pays for them. Let the Medicaid patients go somewhere else.


24 posted on 03/02/2009 6:07:58 AM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: pnh102

You can’t cut the cord in health care. Medicare and Medicaide are federal programs.


25 posted on 03/02/2009 6:08:37 AM PST by pgkdan
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To: jmaroneps37
Why not simply refuse federal funding?
If the community wants the hospital there, let them fund it.
Why can't the diocese fund it?
Cut costs by ending the illegal invaders free lunch.
Just because they refuse federal funding, is no reason to close down.

I suggest this tactic with public schools and works as well.
Stop taking federal funds and run your own state/schools/highways/hospitals.

26 posted on 03/02/2009 6:09:30 AM PST by Just A Nobody (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: jmaroneps37
The hospitals should refuse the money and either do what they can without government money or close. Here, in my part of western ND, closing the Catholic hospital would close the only hospital in the south western 1/4 of the state. An equivalent facility would then be as much as 200 miles away. Perhaps the folks would get enough.

Now, the second conundrum; North Dakota has passed a law recognizing the humanity of an embryo and fetus. How does this jibe with the dear leader's dictate?

27 posted on 03/02/2009 6:09:35 AM PST by Lion Den Dan
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To: pnh102
Catholic hospitals should simply quit accepting federal money.

If they were allowed to stop accepting Medicaid PATIENTS as well as Medicaid DOLLARS, that would be fine. As it is, they'll be treating them for free, which means they WILL be closing, either in protest or in bankruptcy.

28 posted on 03/02/2009 6:09:52 AM PST by nina0113 (Hugh Akston is my hero.)
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To: jmaroneps37
"The underhanded Obama administration has quietly moved to rescind the “conscience clause” found in agreements between the federal government and Catholic hospitals."

Horrific, if true. Can anyone cite a source other than Collin's one-sentence assertion?

29 posted on 03/02/2009 6:10:29 AM PST by cookcounty ("Think, Schumer! It's plain as the egg on your face!")
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To: jmaroneps37

maybe the feds will try to seize the hospitals, if they try to close. emminent domain and all.

i welcome the showdown.


30 posted on 03/02/2009 6:11:08 AM PST by campaignPete R-CT
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To: jmaroneps37

What’s this about a guy named Farrakhan being Obama’s REAL dad, and THAT’S why he keeps the birth certificate under SEAL? Can anyone here elaborate and give more details?


31 posted on 03/02/2009 6:11:09 AM PST by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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To: pnh102
Catholic hospitals should simply quit accepting federal money.

Now you know why Obama wants to limit the deduction for charitable contributions: to force hospitals to take federal money when charitable contributions dry up.

I can now say it freely: Obama is pure EVIL.

32 posted on 03/02/2009 6:11:13 AM PST by Night Hides Not (Don't blame me...I voted for Palin!)
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To: raybbr
If I was a Catholic hospital director I would announce that I would not take the money. And, then announce the closing date.

I'm sure the Obama administration would be happy to pick up the slack, and continue to operate the hospital directly.

33 posted on 03/02/2009 6:14:57 AM PST by CharacterCounts (November 4, 2008 - the day America drank the Kool-Aid)
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To: raybbr
If I was a Catholic hospital director I would announce that I would not take the money. And, then announce the closing date.

Do the Catholic Hospitals put their faith in the Government for financial support, or Christ - the Name by which these hospitals exist?

34 posted on 03/02/2009 6:15:40 AM PST by uptoolate (Shhh. If you listen real hard, God is speaking to America.)
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To: Night Hides Not

THe catholic hospital in Baton Rouge is Our Lady of Lake. THey have no ob services. What does this mean in terms of a hospital such as this? Will they be required to have an “abortion” service?


35 posted on 03/02/2009 6:16:21 AM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: jmaroneps37

bump for later


36 posted on 03/02/2009 6:16:49 AM PST by stockpirate (A people unwilling to use violent force to preserve liberty deserve the tyrants that rule them. SP-0)
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To: jmaroneps37

A Friday in Lent makes it that much more poignant.


37 posted on 03/02/2009 6:18:38 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: pnh102

This is exactly why I disagree with government funded faith-based initiatives. It steals our right to practice out faith.


38 posted on 03/02/2009 6:19:29 AM PST by ShandaLear (Where's My Stuff???!!!)
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To: netmilsmom; pgkdan; Western Phil; tiki
Would not medicare/caid payments be for services rendered?
Why would that qualify as federal funds?
Are those payments for services the only federal funds the hospitals receive?
39 posted on 03/02/2009 6:19:49 AM PST by Just A Nobody (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: cajungirl
THe catholic hospital in Baton Rouge is Our Lady of Lake. THey have no ob services.

Do they not even have Labor and Delivery? I was thinking that dumping the entire OB-GYN practice might exempt a hospital, but I didn't think any of them already had. If they did, they're very forward-thinking.

40 posted on 03/02/2009 6:20:07 AM PST by nina0113 (Hugh Akston is my hero.)
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