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Obama's cap, trade irk some in party - Senators wary of state costs
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| March 2, 2009
| S.A. Miller
Posted on 03/02/2009 11:58:45 AM PST by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Sherrod Brown buys into George Lakoff’s “Cap and dividend” proposal. Where you force businesses to purchase carbon credits then pay that as a dividend to the poor.
Creative ‘wealth redistribution’ proposal, but it’s really just moving their own money around.
Like corporate taxation, I’ll just increase my rates!
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posted on
03/02/2009 12:02:41 PM PST
by
griswold3
(a good story is more compelling than the search for truth)
To: Free ThinkerNY; OKSooner; honolulugal; Killing Time; Beowulf; Mr. Peabody; RW_Whacko; ...
Carbon Scam Ping - (POGW)
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posted on
03/02/2009 12:02:49 PM PST
by
xcamel
(The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
To: griswold3
Upper Midwest Donks had better pay attention to this.
To: Free ThinkerNY
Ahhh, what happened to all the trees that were going to be planted from the carbon offset sales??? Darn! Did we get fooled again?
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posted on
03/02/2009 12:04:52 PM PST
by
Dixie Yooper
(Ephesians 6:11)
To: Free ThinkerNY
But Mr. Obama wants to spend about two-thirds of the money on tax cuts for low- and middle-income families to soften the bite of higher energy prices expected to result from the cap-and-trade law. So let me get this straight - the idea of the cap-and-trade is to provide economic disincentives for consuming fossil fuels. But Obam would then turn around and give refunds to a large number of Americans, thereby largely negating that disincentive.
** head scratch **
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posted on
03/02/2009 12:07:12 PM PST
by
dirtboy
To: griswold3
“He also wants to move fast, passing the legislation within the next year in order to start collecting by 2012 what the administration calls “climate revenue.”
They should use some of the funds to help the families in KY who lost everything...AND 36 DEAD...in the ice storms...OBAMA HATES WHITE PEOPLE...
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posted on
03/02/2009 12:07:33 PM PST
by
jessduntno
(Barack - Kenyan for "high winds, dark clouds, big thunder, no rain.")
To: xcamel
That guy creeps me out, xcamel.
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posted on
03/02/2009 12:07:51 PM PST
by
fanfan
(God, Bless America, please.)
To: Eric in the Ozarks
Midwesterners have turned into nothing more than a bunch of sniveling little whining crybabies.
First it was the farmers beg beg begging for bailout bailout subsidies and more bailouts.
Then it was the auto industry.
Now it’s communist Sherrod Brown insisting Obama’s Share The Wealth proposals get to his constituents.
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posted on
03/02/2009 12:11:11 PM PST
by
Boiling Pots
(The Gov't trying to fix the economy is like the Three Stooges trying to fix your plumbing)
To: Free ThinkerNY
Global warming, the government magic money making machine...
It doesn’t matter that virtually everyone is already broke...
They’re going to get more out of you...
Enjoy what your vote costs...
Economic destruction on a grand scale...
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posted on
03/02/2009 12:11:37 PM PST
by
DB
To: DB
They’ll be making virtual money on virtual credits on the backs of real people.
To: dirtboy
So let me get this straight - the idea of the cap-and-trade is to provide economic disincentives for consuming fossil fuels. But Obam would then turn around and give refunds to a large number of Americans, thereby largely negating that disincentive. Your head scratch would be logical if the purpose of the CO2 was to reduce CO2 levels. The real purpose is to transfer wealth and reward friends. Even if one accepts human caused global warming, this proposal makes no sense.
To: dirtboy
As Rush has noted several times this so called “Cap and Trade” has nothing to do with lowering pollution levels - rather it's just a new stream of tax “income” to the Fed - and Obama’s primary (really sole) intent is to redistribute these “taxes” to buy low income voters for the “dems” for the next several generations
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posted on
03/02/2009 12:22:42 PM PST
by
VRWCTexan
(History has a long memory - but still repeats itself)
To: dirtboy
Of course his definition of “low- and middle-income families” will probably cover only those already getting a free ride on federal income taxes. So it will be more welfare.
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posted on
03/02/2009 12:28:03 PM PST
by
PogySailor
(We're so screwed.....welcome to the American Oligarchy)
To: PogySailor
We dont need climate control, and if we did we couldn’t control the climate. It’s impossible to control the weather, the earthquakes, or the climate. It’s a lie
The whole stinking issue is a lie..
It’s a scam and Obama is a thief. I fact including Spectre, Snowe and Collins, there arent 40 thieves in Baghdad America , there are 60.
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posted on
03/02/2009 12:42:14 PM PST
by
Venturer
To: dirtboy
** head scratch **
_______________________________________________________
The number one rule when you are making up the rules is that they DO NOT have to make sense.
Give it a rest or you will end up with a ** head ache **
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posted on
03/02/2009 12:49:37 PM PST
by
EEDUDE
To: Free ThinkerNY
cap and trade = steal and scam
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posted on
03/02/2009 12:54:18 PM PST
by
Fresh Wind
(Hey, Obama! Where's my check?)
To: Eric in the Ozarks
What do you do if you are a Donk after you see the light? You have elected a loser and he is going to take you down with him.
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posted on
03/02/2009 12:59:56 PM PST
by
ANGGAPO
(Leyte Gulf Beach Club)
To: fanfan
That guy creeps me out, xcamel.Dear Leader creeps me out more...
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posted on
03/02/2009 1:01:35 PM PST
by
Entrepreneur
(The environmental movement is filled with watermelons - green on the outside, red on the inside)
To: Free ThinkerNY
It’s my understanding that Obama’s approval rating is down to 48% and going down. Anybody hear this?
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posted on
03/02/2009 1:02:11 PM PST
by
RC2
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