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Secret anti-terror Bush memos made public by Obama
AP ^ | March 2, 2009 | DEVLIN BARRETT

Posted on 03/02/2009 1:56:34 PM PST by SolidWood

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Justice Department on Monday released a long-secret legal document from 2001 in which the Bush administration claimed the military could search and seize terror suspects in the United States without warrants.

The legal memo was written about a month after the Sept. 11 terror attacks. It says constitutional protections against unlawful search and seizure would not apply to terror suspects in the U.S., as long as the president or another high official authorized the action.

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The memo was one of nine released Monday by the Obama administration.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aclu; antiamericans; bds; bho44; bhodoj; bush; classified; ericholder; nationalsecurity; notsosecret; obama; obamanation; september12era; treason; waronbush
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To: romanesq

Sorry I type too fast.

it should read “the high level execs and govt people in Africa have all said that he is a Muslim.”


151 posted on 03/02/2009 7:11:26 PM PST by Frantzie (Boycott GE - they own NBC, MSNBC, CNBC & Universal. Boycott Disney - they own ABC)
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To: Vigilanteman
We’re going to have to have another 9-11 before the Bozos in congress try to reign Zero in.

I can't believe there isn't one statesman among the Democrats brave enough to speak out against the Marxist takeover of our country.

152 posted on 03/02/2009 7:25:07 PM PST by jersey117
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To: RaceBannon
tHE ANTI-cHRIST COMES FROM eUROPE, BUT NO NE CAN bIBLICALLY PROVE WHERE THE FALSE PROPHET COMES FROM
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153 posted on 03/02/2009 7:25:43 PM PST by mkjessup (You're either with our Constitution, or you are with TKU ("The Kenyan Usurper"). CHOOSE!!!)
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To: Frantzie

Yeah well isn’t that just wishful thinking then? They obviously don’t know about the training Obama got from Frank “the commie” Davis and the CPUSA with a hat tip to Moscow.

And they certainly don’t know about his twenty years of marxist liberation theology training with “Rev.” Wright.


154 posted on 03/02/2009 7:26:36 PM PST by romanesq
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To: Canedawg

I read that Benedict Arnold was the only general to defeat the British in any major battle. Is that right?


155 posted on 03/02/2009 7:28:04 PM PST by guns_for_liberty
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To: Riley
John has a long moustache.
The long sobs of autumn's violins wound my heart with a monotonous languor.
My Viking Kitties' Beebers are stuned.


colonel casio was a good man.
ted_lawson should have been flying the Douglas XB19.
the matador is me.
156 posted on 03/02/2009 7:32:54 PM PST by mkjessup (You're either with our Constitution, or you are with TKU ("The Kenyan Usurper"). CHOOSE!!!)
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To: guns_for_liberty

He and Ethan Allen led the brigade that captured Fort Ticonderoga on Lake Champlain. he also led battles in Quebec and Saratoga, but i question the veracity of the statement that he was the only general to win a battle in that war.


157 posted on 03/02/2009 7:33:58 PM PST by Canedawg (Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press.)
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To: DBrow
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158 posted on 03/02/2009 7:34:08 PM PST by mkjessup (You're either with our Constitution, or you are with TKU ("The Kenyan Usurper"). CHOOSE!!!)
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To: gracesdad
-- I haven't read the whole thread, but can somebody tell us what we've actually learned that we didn't know before? --

Go to http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/documents/olc-memos.htm, download the memos, and read them for yourself. What I've seen so far is summaries of deprecated legal theories that pertain to [exclusive] executive authority in the areas of detention, treatment of prisoners, surveillance, and similar subjects. President Bush's administration maintained that its efforts in ferreting out and dealing with those suspected of being or assisting terrorists, here and abroad, was completely immune from Congressional and Judicial oversight.

159 posted on 03/02/2009 7:35:10 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: SolidWood

I think most Freepers realize that Obama is out to subjugate the US to the radical Muslims. What I don’t understand is why he seems to oppose the President having the power to ignore the constitution in order to protect us. If he were a little smarter, he’d claim that it was not only necessary to ignore the First and Fourth Amendments, but the Second as well and begin collecting our guns.


160 posted on 03/02/2009 7:37:06 PM PST by guns_for_liberty
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To: Lazamataz
It is becoming clear that Obama hates America so much, that I seriously believe he would launch nuclear weapons at Americans.

And that's the point I've been waiting for someone to bring up. Not that I necessarily agree with your evaluation, but the disposition of major military assets is a key element of this distressing chess game we are in.

161 posted on 03/02/2009 7:37:07 PM PST by magooey (The Mandate of Heaven resides in the hearts of men)
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To: SJackson
My Moose finished his cheese
Send more
Your sister?


roguefort is in transit, doowahdiddy, 'thats-a-fact-jack'

the iron maiden is excellent.
162 posted on 03/02/2009 7:37:32 PM PST by mkjessup (You're either with our Constitution, or you are with TKU ("The Kenyan Usurper"). CHOOSE!!!)
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To: Canedawg

Thanks for the info. I’ll have to do some more checking.


163 posted on 03/02/2009 7:39:06 PM PST by guns_for_liberty
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To: SolidWood
Obama could easily be compared to Robert Hanssen. Only that hanssen did it for money, Obama on the other hand does it out of the desire to destroy the America of the founding fathers and replace it with a Marxist utopia. SO i say this he has to be removed from office as soon as possible by any means (obama sycophants you can take from that what you will).I know people who lived in Communist Russia and they tell me every day that is what America looks like to them now.
164 posted on 03/02/2009 7:40:54 PM PST by republicansforever
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To: guns_for_liberty

Ping me if you find anything interesting.

It’s a great period of history to learn about.


165 posted on 03/02/2009 7:56:00 PM PST by Canedawg (Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press.)
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To: griswold3

(military apprehension without warrants)

________________________________________

a co-worker of mine said he had a dream of M1Abrams outside the Whitehouse. Maybe a General or two will man up. Doubtful.


166 posted on 03/02/2009 7:58:53 PM PST by model B (attitude is a little thing that makes a big difference -- Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: model B

when I was young from 17 to aound 20 years old , I had recurring and very realistic dreams that me and my friends were out in the hills on the run fighting against our own government, I have no idea why, I didn’t hate our government back then, my dad always raised me better than that, it was while vietnam was on. Had them about every nite, I remembered when I’d wake up I’d think, thats odd what was that all about , and I would remember them well, I remember I was very afraid in the dream but brave and determined to win, we had a lot of strategies and worked as a team


168 posted on 03/02/2009 8:13:56 PM PST by KTM rider (keep thy powder dry, gird thy loins, and brace for the winds of change)
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To: gondramB
This was not for criminal prosecution. This was to interrupt an attack on the United States. This is not much different than asking the military to shoot down an aircraft that poses a known threat to the US.
169 posted on 03/02/2009 8:16:45 PM PST by VanShuyten ("Ah! but it was something to have at least a choice of nightmares.")
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To: guns_for_liberty

Gee, did you ever hear of a guy named George Washington and the Battle of Yorktown?


170 posted on 03/02/2009 8:17:40 PM PST by Flint
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Lincoln did not start the war. The rebs did. The secessionists were nothing more than glorified outlaws.

That is a bogus, political leftist-liberal-revisionist view of the South, as the South had more dignified statesmen and military leaders than the North ever had!!! They were anything BUT glorified outlaws!!!

The more I see how Obooombi socialist-fascist-communist usurper is taking down our nation day by day, the more I kind of wish the "secessionists" had prevailed 150 yrs ago or so.

We may end with our own version of "secession" if Obooombi continues to destroy & decimate our formerly great USA (or as Oboooombi thinks of it as the USSA)

171 posted on 03/02/2009 8:20:06 PM PST by rcrngroup
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To: Psycho_Bunny

Not only that, he is also a complete moroon!


172 posted on 03/02/2009 8:26:56 PM PST by Flint
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To: Flint

Just read about it. Washington and Rochambeau. Last great battle of the War. Pardon my ignorance.


173 posted on 03/02/2009 8:47:12 PM PST by guns_for_liberty
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To: SW6906; maica
If you look at contribution amounts to Obama, there are literally millions of them that are odd amounts like $97.53 or $1754.36. Those are very indicative of foreign currency amounts that were converted to dollars.

It was uncovered late in the campaign (but not reported by the fawning media) that the Obama campaign had removed the address verification check on credit card transactions, thereby making it possible for credit card donations from anywhere in the world to be made without checking that they were coming from the US.

I did not know this. More outrage

174 posted on 03/02/2009 9:36:07 PM PST by Freee-dame
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To: SW6906
If you look at contribution amounts to Obama, there are literally millions of them that are odd amounts like $97.53 or $1754.36. Those are very indicative of foreign currency amounts that were converted to dollars.

Excellent observation. And absolutely correct. A documentary needs to be made about Obama's campaign funding shenanigans.

Something stinks big time.
175 posted on 03/02/2009 9:39:45 PM PST by beagleone
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To: mojitojoe
great photos! Were you there? I suspected the Marines would take a dim view of this clown addressing them. I'm sure they just loved him using “ Semper Fi “.
176 posted on 03/02/2009 10:16:32 PM PST by warsaw44
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To: guns_for_liberty

If you get a chance to read about Arnold in battle do so. He was one of the best we had. God awful traitor but one hell of a warrior.


177 posted on 03/02/2009 10:28:44 PM PST by warsaw44
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To: linn37

Obozo is willing to do anything to stay in power and further his socialistic, black liberation beliefs. He will open the door wide for terrorists and anyone else who wants to screw with us as long as he stays in power.


178 posted on 03/02/2009 10:57:14 PM PST by rfreedom4u (Diversity causes division.)
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To: GrouchoTex

undo Reagan?

Obama is trying to undo Thomas Jefferson!


179 posted on 03/02/2009 11:15:15 PM PST by RaceBannon (We have sown the wind, but we will reap the whirlwind. NObama. Not my president.)
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To: penelopesire

Well after all, they are allowing access to someone that hasn’t qualified for ANY level clearance.


180 posted on 03/02/2009 11:17:01 PM PST by OldTCS (Obama & Co. put all other OPMer's to shame!!!)
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To: gondramB
Hmmm constitutional protections don’t apply if the President or another high official authorizes the action... I can see a dangerous precedent... what if a high official decides that gun rights or freedom of speech or the press don’t apply?

What's even worse is if put it in the context of being at war, especially since we are in a war that has no end, and we have liberals running things.

People may say that Bush's administration was trying to protect America, but if we accept that certain freedoms have to be given up for wartime reasons, and we are in a war without end, then we have, for all intents and purposes, permanently given up those freedoms.

It's compounded by the fact that liberals are running the White House and Congress these days. I don't trust them with that kind of power.
181 posted on 03/02/2009 11:23:05 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: SolidWood
My favorite line of reporting on this:

"The Bush administration eventually abandoned many of the legal conclusions..."

LOL So they DISCUSSED what was legal, what wasn't, and then didn't move forward on "torture"...and the news is...?

I've seen more than one place where the term "the US routinely tortures" but have yet to see any evidence. Where is the name of the tortured prisoner the Dems would be shouting 24/7 if this existed?

182 posted on 03/03/2009 12:51:12 AM PST by Darkwolf377
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To: af_vet_rr

>>People may say that Bush’s administration was trying to protect America, but if we accept that certain freedoms have to be given up for wartime reasons, and we are in a war without end, then we have, for all intents and purposes, permanently given up those freedoms.<<

That’s the problem in a nutshell. It was unwise to look at these issues in the context of “do we like and/or trust President Bush43” - the actual question is “do we give up constitutional protects because somebody in government says we ought to?”


183 posted on 03/03/2009 2:18:08 AM PST by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: SolidWood

Releasing this information is another piece of The Zero’s game plan: he’s trying to make himself look like a saint by showing us what the “evil Bush” did. Peanuts compared to the evil this dipsh!t has planned. He’ll end up on the pointy end of the fork, he keeps this up.


184 posted on 03/03/2009 3:02:33 AM PST by fivecatsandadog (All men (and women) ARE created equal. A few seconds later, though, and you're on your own.)
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To: Freee-dame

I did not know this. More outrage

%%%%%

There were threads about it on FR, but of course, the info could not make the DNC news media.


185 posted on 03/03/2009 4:36:27 AM PST by maica (Barack Obama is a Communist Party Project.)
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To: Frantzie
The Saudi money bought him the election.

They paid his way through college, too. He studied politics.
There's no doubt in my mind the millions he collected for his campaign in $200 or less donations was Saudi money, and it was untraceable.
Yes, I believe he is 100% Muslim, and everything he's done so far has protected his Muslim brothers. He's even destroying our economy - finishing the job the 9/11 high jackers failed to do.
He's got 4 years to totally destroy the U.S. I shiver to think about what he's going to do to us next.

186 posted on 03/03/2009 4:49:17 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: pgkdan

Perhaps they’ll publish the DiBella memo too. ( Fat chance).


187 posted on 03/03/2009 5:48:44 AM PST by Inwoodian
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To: SolidWood

Good for Bush. Screw the Holder Justice Department for releasing what’s supposed to be a “secret” memo. Secret classifications are governed by Federal law. Apparently, the Holder Justice Department doesn’t care about that.


188 posted on 03/03/2009 6:25:51 AM PST by popdonnelly (I don't live my life to gain the approval of liberals and leftists.)
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To: FlashBack

“I thought Obama said that more presidents should be like Lincoln.”

Obama has more in common with Mugabe than he does with Lincoln.


189 posted on 03/03/2009 6:27:23 AM PST by popdonnelly (I don't live my life to gain the approval of liberals and leftists.)
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To: Veto!

“We’d better start figuring it out.”

No, we’d better start doing something about it. An excellent start would be to stop fighting among ourselves. Stop being stooges for the Democrats.


190 posted on 03/03/2009 6:29:07 AM PST by popdonnelly (I don't live my life to gain the approval of liberals and leftists.)
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To: MrB
“Terror Suspects” will be interpreted as “Christians” or “any who oppose 0bama."

You are 100% "spot on" correct, especially where said individuals are known to be armed and claiming the protection of the 2nd Amendment.

191 posted on 03/03/2009 6:41:45 AM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

I wonder if they released the entire memo. Legal memoranda are usually considered “work product”, that is, internal analysis of specific legal questions applies to specific facts. Opposing parties in lawsuits usually can’t subpoena such documents because they are not an indication of decisions made by the party but rather considerations of alternatives which may or may not have guided the party’s actions. (Yeah, I’m sure you can tell by my language I have legal training.)

Typically a legal memo will, by request, posit a narrow set of specific facts and then proceed to apply whatever specific law or laws the requester wants analyzed. They are seldom a wide-ranging analysis of the entire legal landscape affecting the fact situation.

It is entirely inappropriate for Obama to have released these memos because the world at large goes not understand the legal memo process as it operates here. It would be like finding and releasing the memos from the Obama Administration on its budget process, or his and Congress’ memos on the stimulus package. In this country, people and administrations are to be judged by their acts, not their incoate thoughts.


192 posted on 03/03/2009 6:58:59 AM PST by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

My point is that GW Bush has suspended Habeus Corpus for Al Qaida troops in the battlefield abroad and in America.

Obambinazi is seeking criminal prosecution of President Bush and his administration for doing so.

Bush did what Lincoln did.

Obama is a hypocrite in draping himself in Abe’s cloak.


193 posted on 03/03/2009 6:59:18 AM PST by a fool in paradise ("Do you know the website number?" - VP Joe Biden)
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To: SolidWood
...the military could search and seize terror suspects in the United States without warrants.

4th Amendment USC
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Four categories here:
1) Non US Citizen under NSA surveillance - The search needs to be reasonable and needs no warrant.

2) US Citizen under NSA surveillance - The search needs to be reasonable and requires a warrant under FISA who's existence is constitutionally questionable.

3) Non US Citizen in criminal case - The search needs to be reasonable and requires a warrant.

4) US Citizen in criminal case - The search needs to be reasonable and requires a warrant.

194 posted on 03/03/2009 7:09:28 AM PST by TeleStraightShooter (Barack Hugo Obama - has he ever criticized Hugo Chavez?)
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To: gondramB
I can see a dangerous precedent...

IMO the precedent in question (no warrants required for security based surveillance (not criminal surveillance) was set a long time ago, when our USC was written.

I refer you to post #194; It was not until 1978 under FISA that congress even claimed security surveillance operations that might require a warrant when it involved US Citizens or terrorists on US soil.

And that congressional FISA claim has been slapped down by the courts 5 times.

195 posted on 03/03/2009 7:24:52 AM PST by TeleStraightShooter (Barack Hugo Obama - has he ever criticized Hugo Chavez?)
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To: SolidWood

So are we now to assume that terrorists captured as a result of military action are now entitled to the rights of U.S. citizens under the Constitution? Do we have to give them all habeas corpus hearings?

I fully understand now. The problem isn’t Muslim fanatics trying to kill innocent Americans, it’s how to accord the fanatics their rights under the Constitution.

I used to believe in the common sense of Americans. No longer.


196 posted on 03/03/2009 7:27:48 AM PST by popdonnelly (I don't live my life to gain the approval of liberals and leftists.)
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To: loungitude

>>What reasonable action(s) can be taken? <<

All we can do at this point is continue to educate people in a reasonable and calm manner pointing out what in fact is happening. Blogs, e-mails, group discussions, support people who tell the truth.

Remove the incumbents when election time comes.

Hold your local officials accountable for everything that they do right down to your town supervisors, mayors, superintendents, County Executives in short ANY elected official.
If they violate the law, make a stink about it on a local level so that they can be removed from office asap.

Stay informed, and speak out while we still can.


197 posted on 03/03/2009 7:57:43 AM PST by Munz (Infiltrate Interrogate Eradicate NEXT!)
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To: Sequoyah101
Where is Obama’s Top Secret Harvard thesis?

The American public deserves transparency.

198 posted on 03/03/2009 8:03:24 AM PST by Gabrial ( Obama Lied - The Economy Died)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

He will celebrate..


199 posted on 03/03/2009 9:19:57 AM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: RaceBannon

I’ll just think of himn as Famous Anus..


200 posted on 03/03/2009 9:24:14 AM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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