Secret anti-terror Bush memos made public by Obama

AP ^ | March 2, 2009 | DEVLIN BARRETT

[SolidWood]

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Justice Department on Monday released a long-secret legal document from 2001 in which the Bush administration claimed the military could search and seize terror suspects in the United States without warrants.

The legal memo was written about a month after the Sept. 11 terror attacks. It says constitutional protections against unlawful search and seizure would not apply to terror suspects in the U.S., as long as the president or another high official authorized the action.

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The memo was one of nine released Monday by the Obama administration.

[Frantzie]

Sorry I type too fast.

it should read “the high level execs and govt people in Africa have all said that he is a Muslim.”

[jersey117]

We’re going to have to have another 9-11 before the Bozos in congress try to reign Zero in.

I can't believe there isn't one statesman among the Democrats brave enough to speak out against the Marxist takeover of our country.

[mkjessup]

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[romanesq]

Yeah well isn’t that just wishful thinking then? They obviously don’t know about the training Obama got from Frank “the commie” Davis and the CPUSA with a hat tip to Moscow.

And they certainly don’t know about his twenty years of marxist liberation theology training with “Rev.” Wright.

[guns_for_liberty]

I read that Benedict Arnold was the only general to defeat the British in any major battle. Is that right?

[mkjessup]

John has a long moustache.
The long sobs of autumn's violins wound my heart with a monotonous languor.
My Viking Kitties' Beebers are stuned.

colonel casio was a good man.
ted_lawson should have been flying the Douglas XB19.
the matador is me.

[Canedawg]

He and Ethan Allen led the brigade that captured Fort Ticonderoga on Lake Champlain. he also led battles in Quebec and Saratoga, but i question the veracity of the statement that he was the only general to win a battle in that war.

[mkjessup]

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[Cboldt]

-- I haven't read the whole thread, but can somebody tell us what we've actually learned that we didn't know before? --

Go to http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/documents/olc-memos.htm, download the memos, and read them for yourself. What I've seen so far is summaries of deprecated legal theories that pertain to [exclusive] executive authority in the areas of detention, treatment of prisoners, surveillance, and similar subjects. President Bush's administration maintained that its efforts in ferreting out and dealing with those suspected of being or assisting terrorists, here and abroad, was completely immune from Congressional and Judicial oversight.

[guns_for_liberty]

I think most Freepers realize that Obama is out to subjugate the US to the radical Muslims. What I don’t understand is why he seems to oppose the President having the power to ignore the constitution in order to protect us. If he were a little smarter, he’d claim that it was not only necessary to ignore the First and Fourth Amendments, but the Second as well and begin collecting our guns.

[magooey]

It is becoming clear that Obama hates America so much, that I seriously believe he would launch nuclear weapons at Americans.

And that's the point I've been waiting for someone to bring up. Not that I necessarily agree with your evaluation, but the disposition of major military assets is a key element of this distressing chess game we are in.

[mkjessup]

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roguefort is in transit, doowahdiddy, 'thats-a-fact-jack'

the iron maiden is excellent.

[guns_for_liberty]

Thanks for the info. I’ll have to do some more checking.

[republicansforever]

Obama could easily be compared to Robert Hanssen. Only that hanssen did it for money, Obama on the other hand does it out of the desire to destroy the America of the founding fathers and replace it with a Marxist utopia. SO i say this he has to be removed from office as soon as possible by any means (obama sycophants you can take from that what you will).I know people who lived in Communist Russia and they tell me every day that is what America looks like to them now.

[Canedawg]

Ping me if you find anything interesting.

It’s a great period of history to learn about.

[model B]

(military apprehension without warrants)

________________________________________

a co-worker of mine said he had a dream of M1Abrams outside the Whitehouse. Maybe a General or two will man up. Doubtful.

[KTM rider]

when I was young from 17 to aound 20 years old , I had recurring and very realistic dreams that me and my friends were out in the hills on the run fighting against our own government, I have no idea why, I didn’t hate our government back then, my dad always raised me better than that, it was while vietnam was on. Had them about every nite, I remembered when I’d wake up I’d think, thats odd what was that all about , and I would remember them well, I remember I was very afraid in the dream but brave and determined to win, we had a lot of strategies and worked as a team

[VanShuyten]

This was not for criminal prosecution. This was to interrupt an attack on the United States. This is not much different than asking the military to shoot down an aircraft that poses a known threat to the US.

[Flint]

Gee, did you ever hear of a guy named George Washington and the Battle of Yorktown?

[rcrngroup]

Lincoln did not start the war. The rebs did. The secessionists were nothing more than glorified outlaws.

That is a bogus, political leftist-liberal-revisionist view of the South, as the South had more dignified statesmen and military leaders than the North ever had!!! They were anything BUT glorified outlaws!!!

The more I see how Obooombi socialist-fascist-communist usurper is taking down our nation day by day, the more I kind of wish the "secessionists" had prevailed 150 yrs ago or so.

We may end with our own version of "secession" if Obooombi continues to destroy & decimate our formerly great USA (or as Oboooombi thinks of it as the USSA)

[Flint]

Not only that, he is also a complete moroon!

[guns_for_liberty]

Just read about it. Washington and Rochambeau. Last great battle of the War. Pardon my ignorance.

[Freee-dame]

If you look at contribution amounts to Obama, there are literally millions of them that are odd amounts like $97.53 or $1754.36. Those are very indicative of foreign currency amounts that were converted to dollars.

It was uncovered late in the campaign (but not reported by the fawning media) that the Obama campaign had removed the address verification check on credit card transactions, thereby making it possible for credit card donations from anywhere in the world to be made without checking that they were coming from the US.

I did not know this. More outrage

[beagleone]

If you look at contribution amounts to Obama, there are literally millions of them that are odd amounts like $97.53 or $1754.36. Those are very indicative of foreign currency amounts that were converted to dollars.

Excellent observation. And absolutely correct. A documentary needs to be made about Obama's campaign funding shenanigans.

Something stinks big time.

[warsaw44]

great photos! Were you there? I suspected the Marines would take a dim view of this clown addressing them. I'm sure they just loved him using “ Semper Fi “.

[warsaw44]

If you get a chance to read about Arnold in battle do so. He was one of the best we had. God awful traitor but one hell of a warrior.

[rfreedom4u]

Obozo is willing to do anything to stay in power and further his socialistic, black liberation beliefs. He will open the door wide for terrorists and anyone else who wants to screw with us as long as he stays in power.

[RaceBannon]

undo Reagan?

Obama is trying to undo Thomas Jefferson!

[OldTCS]

Well after all, they are allowing access to someone that hasn’t qualified for ANY level clearance.

[af_vet_rr]

Hmmm constitutional protections don’t apply if the President or another high official authorizes the action... I can see a dangerous precedent... what if a high official decides that gun rights or freedom of speech or the press don’t apply?

What's even worse is if put it in the context of being at war, especially since we are in a war that has no end, and we have liberals running things.

People may say that Bush's administration was trying to protect America, but if we accept that certain freedoms have to be given up for wartime reasons, and we are in a war without end, then we have, for all intents and purposes, permanently given up those freedoms.

It's compounded by the fact that liberals are running the White House and Congress these days. I don't trust them with that kind of power.

[Darkwolf377]

My favorite line of reporting on this:

"The Bush administration eventually abandoned many of the legal conclusions..."

LOL So they DISCUSSED what was legal, what wasn't, and then didn't move forward on "torture"...and the news is...?

I've seen more than one place where the term "the US routinely tortures" but have yet to see any evidence. Where is the name of the tortured prisoner the Dems would be shouting 24/7 if this existed?

[gondramB]

>>People may say that Bush’s administration was trying to protect America, but if we accept that certain freedoms have to be given up for wartime reasons, and we are in a war without end, then we have, for all intents and purposes, permanently given up those freedoms.<<

That’s the problem in a nutshell. It was unwise to look at these issues in the context of “do we like and/or trust President Bush43” - the actual question is “do we give up constitutional protects because somebody in government says we ought to?”

[fivecatsandadog]

Releasing this information is another piece of The Zero’s game plan: he’s trying to make himself look like a saint by showing us what the “evil Bush” did. Peanuts compared to the evil this dipsh!t has planned. He’ll end up on the pointy end of the fork, he keeps this up.

[maica]

I did not know this. More outrage

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There were threads about it on FR, but of course, the info could not make the DNC news media.

[concerned about politics]

The Saudi money bought him the election.

They paid his way through college, too. He studied politics.
There's no doubt in my mind the millions he collected for his campaign in $200 or less donations was Saudi money, and it was untraceable.
Yes, I believe he is 100% Muslim, and everything he's done so far has protected his Muslim brothers. He's even destroying our economy - finishing the job the 9/11 high jackers failed to do.
He's got 4 years to totally destroy the U.S. I shiver to think about what he's going to do to us next.

[Inwoodian]

Perhaps they’ll publish the DiBella memo too. ( Fat chance).

[popdonnelly]

Good for Bush. Screw the Holder Justice Department for releasing what’s supposed to be a “secret” memo. Secret classifications are governed by Federal law. Apparently, the Holder Justice Department doesn’t care about that.

[popdonnelly]

“I thought Obama said that more presidents should be like Lincoln.”

Obama has more in common with Mugabe than he does with Lincoln.

[popdonnelly]

“We’d better start figuring it out.”

No, we’d better start doing something about it. An excellent start would be to stop fighting among ourselves. Stop being stooges for the Democrats.

[ExSoldier]

“Terror Suspects” will be interpreted as “Christians” or “any who oppose 0bama."

You are 100% "spot on" correct, especially where said individuals are known to be armed and claiming the protection of the 2nd Amendment.

[caseinpoint]

I wonder if they released the entire memo. Legal memoranda are usually considered “work product”, that is, internal analysis of specific legal questions applies to specific facts. Opposing parties in lawsuits usually can’t subpoena such documents because they are not an indication of decisions made by the party but rather considerations of alternatives which may or may not have guided the party’s actions. (Yeah, I’m sure you can tell by my language I have legal training.)

Typically a legal memo will, by request, posit a narrow set of specific facts and then proceed to apply whatever specific law or laws the requester wants analyzed. They are seldom a wide-ranging analysis of the entire legal landscape affecting the fact situation.

It is entirely inappropriate for Obama to have released these memos because the world at large goes not understand the legal memo process as it operates here. It would be like finding and releasing the memos from the Obama Administration on its budget process, or his and Congress’ memos on the stimulus package. In this country, people and administrations are to be judged by their acts, not their incoate thoughts.

[a fool in paradise]

My point is that GW Bush has suspended Habeus Corpus for Al Qaida troops in the battlefield abroad and in America.

Obambinazi is seeking criminal prosecution of President Bush and his administration for doing so.

Bush did what Lincoln did.

Obama is a hypocrite in draping himself in Abe’s cloak.

[TeleStraightShooter]

...the military could search and seize terror suspects in the United States without warrants.

4th Amendment USC
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Four categories here:
1) Non US Citizen under NSA surveillance - The search needs to be reasonable and needs no warrant.

2) US Citizen under NSA surveillance - The search needs to be reasonable and requires a warrant under FISA who's existence is constitutionally questionable.

3) Non US Citizen in criminal case - The search needs to be reasonable and requires a warrant.

4) US Citizen in criminal case - The search needs to be reasonable and requires a warrant.

[TeleStraightShooter]

I can see a dangerous precedent...

IMO the precedent in question (no warrants required for security based surveillance (not criminal surveillance) was set a long time ago, when our USC was written.

I refer you to post #194; It was not until 1978 under FISA that congress even claimed security surveillance operations that might require a warrant when it involved US Citizens or terrorists on US soil.

And that congressional FISA claim has been slapped down by the courts 5 times.

[popdonnelly]

So are we now to assume that terrorists captured as a result of military action are now entitled to the rights of U.S. citizens under the Constitution? Do we have to give them all habeas corpus hearings?

I fully understand now. The problem isn’t Muslim fanatics trying to kill innocent Americans, it’s how to accord the fanatics their rights under the Constitution.

I used to believe in the common sense of Americans. No longer.

[Munz]

>>What reasonable action(s) can be taken? <<

All we can do at this point is continue to educate people in a reasonable and calm manner pointing out what in fact is happening. Blogs, e-mails, group discussions, support people who tell the truth.

Remove the incumbents when election time comes.

Hold your local officials accountable for everything that they do right down to your town supervisors, mayors, superintendents, County Executives in short ANY elected official.
If they violate the law, make a stink about it on a local level so that they can be removed from office asap.

Stay informed, and speak out while we still can.

[Gabrial]

Where is Obama’s Top Secret Harvard thesis?

The American public deserves transparency.

[sheik yerbouty]

He will celebrate..

[sheik yerbouty]

I’ll just think of himn as Famous Anus..