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Coast Guard Will Call Off Search for 3 Missing Football Players by Sunset
FOXNews.com ^ | Tuesday, March 03, 2009 | FOX NEWS

Posted on 03/03/2009 7:02:57 PM PST by metmom

The Coast Guard called off its search for three missing football players at sunset Tuesday.

The news came after crews combed choppy waters off the Florida Gulf Coast for a third full day since NFL players Marquis Cooper and Corey Smith and a third friend William Bleakley disappeared. Their fishing boat capsized in stormy seas Saturday evening.

One of the four on the excursion, Nick Schuyler, survived.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: boat; coastguard; epirb; football; missing; nfl; rescue; search; uscg
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So sad.....
1 posted on 03/03/2009 7:02:58 PM PST by metmom
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To: metmom

sad, I wonder what was the type of boat


2 posted on 03/03/2009 7:04:33 PM PST by babubabu
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To: metmom

It is sad. This is why I would never take a 21 foot boat 50 miles offshore. If I was going 50 miles off shore I would certainly spend a few bucks on a EPIRB so the coast guard would have a chance of finding me.

The gulf can get very rough and storms come up quick.


3 posted on 03/03/2009 7:05:38 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: metmom

That SUCKS> They could still be alive.


4 posted on 03/03/2009 7:07:33 PM PST by screaminsunshine (f)
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To: babubabu

21 foot everglades. nice boat but too small for taking far offshore especially in rough weather.


5 posted on 03/03/2009 7:07:47 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: screaminsunshine

They’ve been in 68 degree water since Saturday afternoon. Even if they have their lifejackets on they would be dead from hypothermia.


6 posted on 03/03/2009 7:08:52 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

So you say. But I think not. They could still be alive. Why quit now. Give it a chance.


7 posted on 03/03/2009 7:11:12 PM PST by screaminsunshine (f)
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To: metmom

What a tragedy...Shuyler said the helicopter lights were above them that first night.


8 posted on 03/03/2009 7:11:14 PM PST by tflabo
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To: metmom

Very sad, what a blow to the families. I had hoped for a miracle.


9 posted on 03/03/2009 7:11:34 PM PST by brytlea (Proud descendent of Andrew Kent, Alamo Defender)
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To: screaminsunshine

It’s so unlikely that they are still alive. They have been in the water since Saturday.


10 posted on 03/03/2009 7:13:27 PM PST by brytlea (Proud descendent of Andrew Kent, Alamo Defender)
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To: driftdiver

I can’t imagine going out on the water without checking the forecast and radar first.

But that’s just the meteorologist in me. I don’t go to the store without doing that.


11 posted on 03/03/2009 7:13:34 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: tflabo

That makes it even worse. They all could have been rescued then.


12 posted on 03/03/2009 7:14:15 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: driftdiver
Everglades are real cool with that hardtop with all the trick speakers and lights and space for electronics.

Too bad these guys had more money than sense.

13 posted on 03/03/2009 7:14:38 PM PST by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: screaminsunshine

“So you say. But I think not. They could still be alive. Why quit now. Give it a chance.”

So I say? No, so the Coast Guard says. Survival tables show its possible to survive up to 40 hours in 68 degree water. Its been 72 hours.

If they were alive the Coast Guard would have found them.

Why quit now? Because it costs a lot of money to search, puts other lives at risk, and takes those rescuers away from helping other people.


14 posted on 03/03/2009 7:14:44 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: screaminsunshine
Perhaps you don't realize how cold it can get in Florida...
...it's very cold out right now and the temps started dropping late Saturday, early Sunday....

It's miserable, very windy.

Those poor guys were in this kind of weather on the open sea ....how very sad.

15 posted on 03/03/2009 7:16:24 PM PST by Guenevere ("He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep, to gain that which he cannot lose")
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To: metmom

“I can’t imagine going out on the water without checking the forecast and radar first.”

The storms can come up very very quick and you cannot out run them. From the local news the boat overturned while at anchor. Tells me they stayed there too long and the water got too rough. There were waves to 15 feet Saturday evening. This was only a 21 foot boat.


16 posted on 03/03/2009 7:16:49 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: metmom

I feel so sorry for the parents. The father of one of these young men, I think Mr. Bleakely’s father, could not give up hoping. And how much worse it is for him deluding himself that his son was still alive and the Coast Guard was abandoning him to a lonely, cold death. I can’t imagine the suffering of the poor man. At least the dead men are now freed from earthly sorrows and physical pain; this father will live with his heartbreak forever.


17 posted on 03/03/2009 7:18:51 PM PST by ottbmare (Ein Reich, ein Volk, ein Obama!)
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To: screaminsunshine

Highly unlikely, it turned very cold there over the weekend and the reporters who were onshore waiting were all commenting how cold it was... Likely sharks got them.


18 posted on 03/03/2009 7:18:55 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: driftdiver
Even if they have their lifejackets on they would be dead from hypothermia.

Apparently, they found a life jacket and cooler 16 miles from the boat. But nothing else.

19 posted on 03/03/2009 7:19:08 PM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: Guenevere

I actually had frost on my car windows this morning. Good for a joke now and then, would really suck if you were in the water.

I’ve been diving in water this cold. Even with a wet suit it sucks the strength right out of you. two hours were enough for me and I had a wet suit.


20 posted on 03/03/2009 7:19:10 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
...and takes those rescuers away from helping other people.

Yeah, but these are famous people. Famous people deserve more because......well, because.

</sarc>

21 posted on 03/03/2009 7:19:17 PM PST by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: Guenevere

Well I am Merchant Marine. You can survive. I am headed from Tampa to Key West tommorrow and I will sure keep a lookout. The CG is lame if they think you can not survive.


22 posted on 03/03/2009 7:19:35 PM PST by screaminsunshine (f)
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To: screaminsunshine

Their chances of being alive are zero with the water temperature.


23 posted on 03/03/2009 7:20:31 PM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: Rome2000

Very very sad.
If they had dropped about $1200 for a decent covered 6-person life raft - they would be alive today. They are compact and deploy quickly. The ocean can kill you very quickly.

Going out 30 to 50 miles in a small one engine boat withpout a pinger and good life raft is suicide. My life is worth $1,200 and these guys had/have more money than I do.


24 posted on 03/03/2009 7:21:25 PM PST by Frantzie (Boycott GE - they own NBC, MSNBC, CNBC & Universal. Boycott Disney - they own ABC)
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To: driftdiver

Is a E what you said the same as what are fishermen use up here in the frigid waters..life saving suits?

Is the water that far out down in Florida cold? or Warm?

We also use devices that are locators. (cant think of proper terminology right now)

IIRC the guy who had the boat was an avid fisherman along with his Dad.

Did the storm come after they were out at sea?

We lose about one F/V a year up here.

The old time Captains have a hard time with some idiot deck hands bringing meth aboard.
Use to be just boozers in the past and that is easy to detect before leaving port.


25 posted on 03/03/2009 7:21:29 PM PST by Global2010 (Witness to Hope. John Paul Audacity of Hope B.Obama)
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To: word_warrior_bob

Tell that to a sailor who has the will to live.


26 posted on 03/03/2009 7:22:06 PM PST by screaminsunshine (f)
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To: driftdiver

The lone survivor said they were trying to pull up anchor when they got hit by a side wave... I suspect the anchor was in mud and they were all trying to pull it up.. four large guys all on one side of the boat at the same time would have made the boat very easy to send turtle... very sad... even though it was only 21 feet it was a boat built with the higher sides which can sometimes give a sense of security and taking chances.


27 posted on 03/03/2009 7:22:49 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: screaminsunshine

I hope you find them alive.

I doubt it though.


28 posted on 03/03/2009 7:22:55 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Frantzie

$200 on an EPIRB woulda worked too.


29 posted on 03/03/2009 7:23:46 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Yep. After so many hours it becomes a recovery search.

If they dont become fish/crab food that far out they may never wash ashore.

So sad.


30 posted on 03/03/2009 7:23:49 PM PST by Global2010 (Witness to Hope. John Paul Audacity of Hope B.Obama)
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To: screaminsunshine

drift is right.


31 posted on 03/03/2009 7:24:36 PM PST by Global2010 (Witness to Hope. John Paul Audacity of Hope B.Obama)
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To: tflabo

Awe man.


32 posted on 03/03/2009 7:25:36 PM PST by Global2010 (Witness to Hope. John Paul Audacity of Hope B.Obama)
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To: Global2010

Yes, it came up after they were out there. The morning was calm, someone commented on Fox the calm is actually normal right before a cold front moves in this time of year.... when it hit it hit fast and a deep sea fishing boat came back in early because they were taking waves over the bow and it was miserable.


33 posted on 03/03/2009 7:25:42 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Global2010

Yep. The CG looking in the wrong place or they would of found em. They had life jackets.


34 posted on 03/03/2009 7:26:19 PM PST by screaminsunshine (f)
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To: screaminsunshine

It’s not about will, these guys I’m sure had the will to live. The CG searched well outside the parameters of the HUMAN BODY to survive. Will won’t trump human nature.

From the start of the search with the water temps what they were the only hope of finding someone alive would be if they stayed with the boat and were able to keep their body out of the water, at least off and on.

The CG was out in full force when the probability of finding them alive was .0000000000000000000000000000000000001 %, they did all they could and should be commended.


35 posted on 03/03/2009 7:26:51 PM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: metmom

Same here.

From our home to the store it is a whole different weather situation.

Cold and windy in town.


36 posted on 03/03/2009 7:27:09 PM PST by Global2010 (Witness to Hope. John Paul Audacity of Hope B.Obama)
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To: Frantzie

Not sure 2 engines would have made a difference here. But $1200 on some kind of “ditch bag” (life raft etc) could have made a difference.


37 posted on 03/03/2009 7:27:48 PM PST by nomorelurker
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To: Global2010

Emergency position indicating radiobeacons (EPIRBs) use satellite communications. The Coast Guard would know exactly where you were in about 4 minutes.

The water in the gulf is 68 degrees right now. It generally doesn’t get below 60 in winter. In the summer it can get to high 80s.

Because of the high number of pleasure boaters with little experience there are a lot of people that get into trouble.

One guy had 11 people on a 12 foot boat. From 5 months to 68 years. They stayed offshore too long and were swamped by a storm. Luckily they were only a few miles offshore and the water was warm.


38 posted on 03/03/2009 7:27:55 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

I hadn’t thought of that but its likely you are correct. Better to cut the rope.


39 posted on 03/03/2009 7:28:57 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: word_warrior_bob

Couple choppers a Falcon and a cutter. Not much in a 50 mile square sector.


40 posted on 03/03/2009 7:29:22 PM PST by screaminsunshine (f)
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To: Arizona Carolyn
The real cause is the lack of a license requirement for Florida boaters.

I don't like the idea of giving the FWC another way to right you a ticket, but people who don't have the foggiest idea about boating go out and kill themselves or others far too often.

The concept of right of way and the proper procedure for retrieving an anchor are things that people have no business out on the water without knowing.

41 posted on 03/03/2009 7:29:52 PM PST by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: screaminsunshine

“Couple choppers a Falcon and a cutter. Not much in a 50 mile square sector.”

You musta been searched one too many times by the coasties.


42 posted on 03/03/2009 7:31:25 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Your right on.

We get a real treat now and then as the Coast Guard will do practice pick ups in the bay/our back yard.

Something about a young Coast Guard man in his uniform.

A rescue Military guy with no attitude you sometimes see in say a LE guy.


43 posted on 03/03/2009 7:31:43 PM PST by Global2010 (Witness to Hope. John Paul Audacity of Hope B.Obama)
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To: screaminsunshine

This is very sad but the Coast Guard’s job is not to bail out irresponsible people.

Three pro football players plus their friend going 30 miles out in a small one engine 21’ boat without a pinger or good $1,200 covered life raft that is small to stow and fast to deploy. A SPOT pinger costs $150 or you can get a very good one for $519.

If you go out in the ocean especially 30 miles out you better have this stuff or stay at home. My life is worth $519

http://www.consumersmarine.com/modperl/product/details.cgi?i=620011&pdesc=McMurdo_SmartFind_406_EPIRB_Category_II&cname=EPIRBS&aID=44C&merchID=3006&r=view

If you are Merch Marine you know the ocean has no mercy and will kill you very quickly.


44 posted on 03/03/2009 7:32:31 PM PST by Frantzie (Boycott GE - they own NBC, MSNBC, CNBC & Universal. Boycott Disney - they own ABC)
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To: Rome2000

“The real cause is the lack of a license requirement for Florida boaters. “

Not sure a license would have helped in these conditions. I’ve taken the Coast Guard class and I didn’t need it to tell me to stay off the water this last weekend.


45 posted on 03/03/2009 7:32:44 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: screaminsunshine

They found the survivor, used drift patterns, etc. Covered thousands of miles searching, I’m not sure just what you would want them to do.


46 posted on 03/03/2009 7:32:57 PM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: driftdiver

We use to have access to a private floating dock and as soon as the tide would start coming in we high wheeled it off the docks.

Can get unstable real quick in that mode too.

I use to leave all the gear and get KV up to land at the first sign/time of tide change then go back down for the gear.


47 posted on 03/03/2009 7:35:12 PM PST by Global2010 (Witness to Hope. John Paul Audacity of Hope B.Obama)
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To: nomorelurker

You are right about the 2 engines but it is really dumb to go out 30 miles with a single engine 21’ boat. You are just asking for trouble. Sea Tow is not going out 30 miles. They obviously did not have a pinger or offshore life raft.

My life is worth something and you can get a pinger as cheap as $149 and a good one for $529. A good life raft is $1300 and a so so one is $300.

The ocean has no mercy and will kill in seconds.


48 posted on 03/03/2009 7:38:31 PM PST by Frantzie (Boycott GE - they own NBC, MSNBC, CNBC & Universal. Boycott Disney - they own ABC)
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To: driftdiver
Right but if people had to take a written test they might know enough to use the motor to break the anchors hold by driving slowly over it instead of tugging on it by hand in the wrong direction.

Sad

49 posted on 03/03/2009 7:40:28 PM PST by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: driftdiver

Yep ERIB thingys is what our guys use up here if they are taking all safety precautions.

It is usually the crossing bar that sinks em up here.


50 posted on 03/03/2009 7:42:25 PM PST by Global2010 (Witness to Hope. John Paul Audacity of Hope B.Obama)
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