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Democrat looking at taxing health benefit
Reuters ^ | 3/3/09 | Donna Smith

Posted on 03/03/2009 7:52:02 PM PST by anniegetyourgun

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A senior Senate Democrat said Tuesday he would consider taxing U.S. workers on their employer-sponsored health insurance to help pay for extending coverage to millions of uninsured Americans.

"I think that tax provision should be on the table," said Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, who will play a major role in writing the legislation to revamp the U.S. healthcare system as promised by President Barack Obama.

"It's too aggressive. It skews the system," he said of the tax benefit.

(Excerpt) Read more at uk.reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 111th; baucus; bho44; bhohealthcare; bhotaxincrease; healthcare; maxbaucus; obama; taxation
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1 posted on 03/03/2009 7:52:02 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: anniegetyourgun

TAX, TAX, TAX and most of Obama’s henchpersons don’t pay them.


2 posted on 03/03/2009 7:52:43 PM PST by madison10
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To: anniegetyourgun

Wasn’t this what they accused McPain of proposing?


3 posted on 03/03/2009 7:53:50 PM PST by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG 49) "Freedom's Fortress")
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To: anniegetyourgun

More stimulus for the non producers. Tax the producers even on the air they breath and give it to the democrat voters, the non producers.


4 posted on 03/03/2009 7:54:45 PM PST by jveritas (God Bless our brave troops)
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To: anniegetyourgun

With a whimper...


5 posted on 03/03/2009 7:54:49 PM PST by sionnsar (Iran Azadi | 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | "Tax the rich" fails if the rich won't play)
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To: anniegetyourgun

Be sure and feature that brilliant idea on your campaign posters when you run for your next term, Max. I’m sure the voters in Montana will be impressed.


6 posted on 03/03/2009 7:56:06 PM PST by kittymyrib
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To: anniegetyourgun

I think that the government electives should have the same health and retirement that the common folk have. If these SOB’s had to pay for something in their lives then maybe they would not be so willing to raise taxes on us.


7 posted on 03/03/2009 7:56:14 PM PST by guitarplayer1953 (Psalm 83:1-8 is on the horizon.)
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To: anniegetyourgun
They floated this idea a couple of years ago.

Here's how Obammie the Commie pays for his spending. If this passes, overnight, we will all have about 25% added on to our taxable income.

8 posted on 03/03/2009 7:56:33 PM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (The Stimulus Package: Preamble to the Democrat's new Declaration of In Dependence)
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To: anniegetyourgun

Get ready to ‘lock and load’ laddies!


9 posted on 03/03/2009 7:56:45 PM PST by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli now reads "Oil the gun..eat the cannolis.")
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To: neodad

Yep. But it probably won’t be necessary...if you socialize medicine, the employers will no longer offer group plans. Why should they when they can off it onto the taxpayers via government.


10 posted on 03/03/2009 7:57:13 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: anniegetyourgun

People of Montana, wake up.

What the hell’s wrong with you?


11 posted on 03/03/2009 7:58:23 PM PST by A_Former_Democrat
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To: anniegetyourgun

From the producers to the parasites. I’m so proud to do my patriotic duty and keep forking over more and more and more.


12 posted on 03/03/2009 7:58:26 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: anniegetyourgun

Of course, this would have the effect of encouraging millions to abandon employer provided plans and sign up for the “free” gubment health care.

The USS Radical Agenda is proceeding at flank speed.


13 posted on 03/03/2009 8:00:04 PM PST by NavVet ( If you don't defend Conservatism in the Primaries, you won't have it to defend in November)
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To: anniegetyourgun

Why would an employer offer health care to his employees? Is this the way they intend to get everyone into the Government system?


14 posted on 03/03/2009 8:01:02 PM PST by mortal19440
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To: anniegetyourgun
Democrat looking at taxing health benefit

Since it appears most of those left with lucrative retirement pensions and heath benefits are government employees....Go for it.

15 posted on 03/03/2009 8:01:40 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: anniegetyourgun

These guys are bound and determined to become the minority party again. The hits just keep on coming.


16 posted on 03/03/2009 8:02:35 PM PST by WHBates
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To: anniegetyourgun
Marxist Dems will do whatever they can to sink private healthcare (they HATE any form of competition) while they promote their socialized health care denial system.

Take your vitamins and exercise regularly.

In other words, do not get sick, my FRiends.

.

17 posted on 03/03/2009 8:02:43 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: anniegetyourgun

The sad part is that the Obama idiots will not even know that he is raising their taxes. They will see the drop in take home, and blame their employer and then demand more money. They won’t blame the people who are stealing their money.


18 posted on 03/03/2009 8:04:58 PM PST by Ditto
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To: Seaplaner

And above all, don’t get old.


19 posted on 03/03/2009 8:07:04 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: anniegetyourgun

Pretty soon, not even working people will be able to afford their mortgages.


20 posted on 03/03/2009 8:07:07 PM PST by umgud (I'm really happy I wasn't aborted)
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To: anniegetyourgun

We need to tax the Senate and House on the actual cost of the myriad of benefits they receive while we are at it.


21 posted on 03/03/2009 8:07:51 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: anniegetyourgun

Less than 600 people ..... ruining our lives.

They think they are royalty....they think what’s ours is theirs.....

I’m sick of the articles saying things like “Obama to give $900 billion to rebuild Gaza”..... NO NO NO..... taxpayers being sapped for $900 billion ......etc.

When does the revolution start???


22 posted on 03/03/2009 8:08:03 PM PST by Aria ("An America that could elect Sarah Palin might still save itself." Vin Suprynowicz)
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To: anniegetyourgun

Didn’t the Dems eviscerate McCain for this idea during the campaign?


23 posted on 03/03/2009 8:08:11 PM PST by mockingbyrd (patriotic dissent is a luxury of those protected by men and women better than they)
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To: mockingbyrd

yes


24 posted on 03/03/2009 8:08:46 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Seaplaner

I think I’ll buy a juicer....while I can still afford one.


25 posted on 03/03/2009 8:09:31 PM PST by Aria ("An America that could elect Sarah Palin might still save itself." Vin Suprynowicz)
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To: anniegetyourgun; All

Obama spent MILLIONS of dollars in the Midwest running Radio ads saying this is what McCAIN wanted to do, and he WOULD NOT....

Yet again, THE MESSIAH HAS LIED!!!!


26 posted on 03/03/2009 8:09:37 PM PST by tcrlaf ("Hope" is the most Evil of all Evils"-Neitzsche)
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To: anniegetyourgun
"Democrat looking at taxing health benefit..."

One more giant step towards revolution. At this point, I hope the fools keep it up. The faster we get this over with the better.

27 posted on 03/03/2009 8:09:38 PM PST by Desron13 (If you constantly vote between the lesser of two evils then evil is your ultimate destination.)
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To: Seaplaner
"Take your vitamins and exercise regularly."

Might as well add garlic to that mix.

28 posted on 03/03/2009 8:10:04 PM PST by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: anniegetyourgun
Another great economy enlargement stimulus package.
29 posted on 03/03/2009 8:10:26 PM PST by caveat emptor
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To: WHBates

Not a chance, once everyone is dependent upon the Dems for everything. The deluded electorate we already have will never vote for the GOP because they’ll be told by the DEMS that the GOP wants to take it all away.....see social security flaps of the past.


30 posted on 03/03/2009 8:10:29 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: anniegetyourgun

I’ve been paying for my own insurance with after-tax money for years.

Always been a thorn in my side that some folks get a huge cash benefit, worth several thousand of dollars per year, completely tax free.

I also understand that Obama wants to do away with my HSA and the few tax dollars I save from that.


31 posted on 03/03/2009 8:10:34 PM PST by digger48
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To: anniegetyourgun

Do it!!!!!


32 posted on 03/03/2009 8:10:48 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (I want Obama to fail.)
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To: Desron13
Romanian Revolution of 1989

This is going to be a hoot.

33 posted on 03/03/2009 8:13:21 PM PST by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: anniegetyourgun

The concept of employer-paid health insurance as a benefit of employment developed during the Second World War, when wages were frozed by executive order, so as to prevent a bidding war between employers fighting for the same pool of workers to put to work in war industries. Since the corporate managers were denied the right to offer higher wages as an incentive for badly needed workers, they turned to pensions, health and life insurance as non-wage incentives. Unions took advantage of this provision, and negotiated HUGE packages, to the degree that employers were forced to take over the whole cost of the insurance programs offered, and the arrangement was continued after the war emergency was over. Thus health benefits became tied to employment status, with the employee taking no responsibility whatsoever for protecting his own access to health services, a situation which was endorsed most heartily by the unions and their representatives in elective legislatures.

A crisis is a terrible thing to waste. Take advantage of every one that comes up.


34 posted on 03/03/2009 8:14:38 PM PST by alloysteel (Obama was lying, your rights are dying)
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To: anniegetyourgun
The current way it is taxed health insurance has been moved to employers where it does not belong.

Because it wasn't taxed as income it became a benefit provided by business. Frankly is should be taxed the same as income (from the employer's prospective). It is a loophole that has screwed up the entire health care system. Instead of health insurance being between the customer/payer and the provider it is between the employer and the insurance company with the provider and “customer” in the middle of never never land. If people purchased health insurance directly it would be portable, as in travel with them, regardless of where or if they are employed. The insurance companies would also have to please you instead of your employer which have different interests at stake. The insurance companies could also reward those individuals that use it less saving them money. Anything that the direct user of pays only a fraction of gets over used which increases the costs to everyone.

And if the government wants you to get health insurance they can make it tax deductible for the individual taking your employer out of the equation.

Fire away...

35 posted on 03/03/2009 8:18:07 PM PST by DB
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To: neodad

Yes


36 posted on 03/03/2009 8:21:28 PM PST by rb22982
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To: DB

Very good points. I may be in a very small minority here, but I have always believed that an employer-paid medical insurance plan should be treated no differently under the U.S. tax code than a cash bonus, a company car provided for personal use, etc.


37 posted on 03/03/2009 8:23:47 PM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: alloysteel

Health insurance should be between the insurance company and you, not your employer. The government has thrown the health care market out of whack via the tax code.

It appears that we agree.


38 posted on 03/03/2009 8:24:08 PM PST by DB
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To: neodad
McCain proposed a very large tax deduction. At the same time he proposed counting your health benefits as part of your income ~ which would then be taxed.

For most of us our tax deduction would be as great as the taxable benefit, so it was a wash.

What Baucus proposes is simply taxing existing benefits with no tax deduction to offset the inequity.

These guys are trying to get blood out of turnips though ~ the Obama Depression has wiped out whatever income people might have to pay for these risky schemes.

39 posted on 03/03/2009 8:27:37 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: anniegetyourgun

Hmmmm....if this comes to pass, shouldn’t we have the option of voluntarily electing to forfeit our now taxed employer provided health insurance.....and go get it free like all the non-producers?

Actually, seems those getting free health care should be taxed for its value....


40 posted on 03/03/2009 8:30:18 PM PST by pantherskincreek
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To: DB
There are a variety of ways to do it. This started during WWII as a way for war industries, vital for our victory over Nazism, to get highly skilled employees to work for them.

Remember, there were wage and price controls and a company couldn't just offer higher wages as an inducement ~ so health insurance was used.

Without this system we'd lost the war and you'd be in concentration camps where all the guards would be Democrat politicians.

Just like today!

41 posted on 03/03/2009 8:30:41 PM PST by muawiyah
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I seriously doubt wage and price controls won the war.

Wage and price controls made a mess that we are still living with today.

42 posted on 03/03/2009 8:34:10 PM PST by DB
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To: DB
Surprise ~ you misread ~ I obviously attributed health care benefits with winning the war. Wage and price controls were used to "control labor" so that folks didn't go from job to job to job chasing after higher wages, such activity being viewed as detrimental to the war effort (as well as increasing its cost).

Remember, the Democrats ran that war and they imposed their own peculiar ideas of what motivates people on friend and foe alike. Basically the Democrat theory was that American workers, given their heads, would crap on the country for a few bucks, just like the rich guys who hung around FDR.

43 posted on 03/03/2009 8:37:53 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: anniegetyourgun

Oh yeah, that’ll fix it. Ballooning health insurance costs, hours down, pay down, add more expense to the mix. Brilliant!


44 posted on 03/03/2009 8:39:25 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: muawiyah

I interpreted “Without this system we’d lost the war ...” to include how untaxed health insurance came about - price and wage controls. Meaning the root of health insurance provided by employers was due to government interference in the markets. I don’t think I misread that. Now I definitely could have misinterpreted any intended sarcasm in what you said.


45 posted on 03/03/2009 8:50:09 PM PST by DB
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To: Aria

Not soon enough I’m afraid


46 posted on 03/03/2009 8:50:35 PM PST by Wolfhound777 (It's not our job to forgive them. Only God can do that. Our job is to arrange the meeting)
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To: mortal19440
Why would an employer offer health care to his employees?

In some states employers are mandated to pay for health insurance of its employees (Hawaii for example).

47 posted on 03/03/2009 8:50:54 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: anniegetyourgun

Another regressive tax out of the democrats.


48 posted on 03/03/2009 8:51:31 PM PST by keepitreal (Obama brings change: an international crisis (terrorism) within 6 months)
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To: 1_Rain_Drop
Might as well add garlic to that mix.

Yes, and with the added benefit of keeping werewolves away!

.

49 posted on 03/03/2009 8:56:10 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: muawiyah
Remember, there were wage and price controls and a company couldn't just offer higher wages as an inducement ~ so health insurance was used.

The birth of Kaiser Permanente (for example)....

50 posted on 03/03/2009 8:56:48 PM PST by ExSES (the "bottom-line")
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