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Posted on 03/04/2009 10:30:44 AM PST by rabscuttle385
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So what exactly is wrong with people going to Canada to buy cheap drugs and bring them back here? It is no different than crossing state lines to buy cheaper smokes or booze.
SWEET! Cheap imported drugs from Mexico. Any guess what’s really in ‘em? You swallow them first. I’ll watch for adverse reactions, then we can go sit in the emergency room all day competing with illegals to get your stomach pumped by a minimum wage gub’mint paid intern under Obama’s new universal health plan.
Well, what’s wrong is that the US has (or had) free market policies in place that encourage drug companies to spend billions on discovering new drugs and getting a return on the market.
Canada does NOTHING to contribute to drug innovation, but they parasitize upon US companies and set an artificially low price by government fiat.
If Canada is allowed to step in and wreck the drug market in the US, it will drive the few remaining innovators out of business.
I’m not a fan of the drug companies. But what we have is one of the few places in the world where innovation still takes place, and it’s market driven.
Hillary killed the flu vaccine business in this country by forcing cheap sales to kids. Now we have to hope other countries can make enough vaccine to get us through an emergency. The same thing could happen across the board.
How much medical innovation do you have even in Europe, which is filled with bright people?
No problem if what is in the bottle is what you expected to get. If not, don't complain. You "saved" money. Even after the cost of a round trip out of the country.
Bingo!
I began typing a lengthy post, but you nailed it.
Kudos.
If the drugs meet ALL FEA standards then I do not wee the problem.!
Regardless of the content of the bill this just shows how closely allied McCain and the liberal Obama democrats are. Obama’s win was just simply the greater of two evils.
FDA
How do you spell relief?
“Given FDA safety and efficacy standards, it takes on average 12 to 15 years and over $800 million for a company (and most are American) to develop a new drug. But only the U.S. market is free. Abroad, pharmaceutical companies must negotiate prices with socialized medical systems. As a result, foreigners usually pay far less than Americans for their patented drugs. Americans bear the lion’s share of R&D costs, subsidizing socialized medical systems in the process, while foreigners are classic “free riders.””
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB117849415551193921.html?mod=djemITP&apl=y
I have a couple of questions to ask both of you: If the people who are supposed to benefit from the drugs can't afford them then why bother to do R&D? Most conservatives, and I am one of them, complain about Part D for seniors, yet you don't want them to go to Canada to get them if they have no insurance. So, I guess the solution that you two, and others, see is that seniors should just go ahead and die so our drug companies can keep on with R&D for seniors(and there are other, younger people who can't afford insurance but need meds) who can't afford the drugs?
How does that make you any different than the Dems who want to ration health care?
You are probably the same people who are constantly saying that free trade is a good deal for America, but this free trade you don't want.
So, don't sell it to them.
So by paying more for books, U.S. students are subsidizing the education of foreign countries, so they can steal our jobs and industries.
The Dems will ration health care. They will also kill the profit motive for R&D. You'll get a ration of the existing drugs. There won't be anything new. R&D is the engine that converts "hope" into reality.
Tell me, just how would you handle this if you were someone, senior or not, who had to have life saving drugs but couldn't get them in the US because of the cost? Would you buy them where they are cheaper or would you stand on principle and say, "Oh, no, I am not going to buy them in Canada, I will just go ahead and die so the drug companies will be able to do R&D! Like hell you would, you would do what everyone else who can't afford them here is doing, buy them in Canada!
Profits drive R&D. Yours is a silly question.
So, I guess the solution that you two, and others, see is that seniors should just go ahead and die so our drug companies can keep on with R&D for seniors(and there are other, younger people who can't afford insurance but need meds) who can't afford the drugs?
What? Do you even bother to read what you write? Seniors should go ahead and die? Good grief, Medicare and Medicaid are available to help people that can't afford their meds. Florida, where I live, is filled with seniors who can afford their meds but don't want to pay the price because they think it's someone else's responsibility to pay for them. They might not be able to eat out as many times next month or play as many games of golf. The horror!
There will always be people who cannot afford all the treatment they believe they need or may actually need. What's the answer, nationalized healthcare? Fine, but remember that countries with price controls don't produce new drugs. It just doesn't happen. About 90% of all new drugs are discovered right here in the US.
You are probably the same people who are constantly saying that free trade is a good deal for America, but this free trade you don't want.
Like all protectionists you have no idea what free trade [or free(r)] trade means. Canada agreed to an international treaty whereby American drug companies would sell them at controlled prices (and can ignore the patent protections if they do not) if they agreed not to allow the re-importation of those drugs. Canada is breaking their agreement. This is not free trade; it is an artificial market created by socialistic leeches who like benefiting from the efforts and expenditures of others. To support such actions is to support socialism.
And allow Canada to ignore the patent protections and turn loose their generic industries? It's not as easy as you assume.
Or, do you just expect someone else to pay for your needs? If so, you're really going to like this guy Obama.
Forget future innovations and the generations who will benefit from them. Give me mine now, at whatever I determine is an affordable cost, and screw everyone else. Nice.
R&D be damned? Fine. You'll sing a different tune when the doctor tells you there is not treatment for some particular problem in the future. The difference is you won't sing for very much longer. BTW, absent R&D, you wouldn't be using a computer to engage in this conversation. It is the product of R&D that has been refined to a level you can afford by mass production.
spell check is your friend...Years ago when I had the farm, a “new” med, came out that was successful against a certain type of cancer. The pill for human consumption would be 50 dollars a pill. It was the same medication I used to worm my goats. Busted out laughing. I could get 2 dozen for 5.00 from a vet catalog. If I ever need that particular medication, I would know where to buy it I would get 100 ml bottle of penicillin for my animals for 6.00. How much do you pay for a shot at the doctor..bite me
Thanks granny. I was so taken by your belief in from each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs that I posted without using the checker.
The pill for human consumption would be 50 dollars a pill. It was the same medication I used to worm my goats.
That story may get you some ears and sympathy from folks who don't have a clue about much of anything, and have probably grown weary of listening to your bellyaching, but for those of us with a clue it's just a story. Thanks for sharing.
Now go have a glass of warm milk and take a nap, resting comfortably under the security blanket dear leader has provided.
Warm Milk is not comforting. Perhaps a shot of good bourbon and a great piece of chocolate cake would be better...Good luck on believing all the garbage on the cost of R & D and how its expensive so you must pay, pay, pay for it..Canada will pay less, less, less for the same thing.Its even cheaper in Mexico...been there done that years ago.In Mexico all you need to know is a doctor that will write a prescription...For Example: (not that this is what I bought) A bottle of 10 milligram Valium was 45.00 for 90. And the store still made a profit...I asked a pharmacist recently what the cost of 30/5 mg Valium cost and it was 80 dollars.. Glad you don’t mind paying a fortune for medications. Its good for the economy...Now its on to the chocolate cake and bourbon..maybe even a nap..
Well folks....get used to this type of nonsense...as in that wonderous phrase...one world order....isn’t it going to be just LOVELY...sarcasm...
Phen-Fen...valvular heart damage when weight loss was the intended objective. Vioxx (COX-2 inhibitor) withdrawn after increased heart attacks and strokes. They worked fine for many people, but a fair number developed complications and sued. Rush a product to market with inadequate testing and you get sued when a larger population of users exposes a problem. Sometimes you pay more at the register for a well tested product. Sometime you pay with your life for an inadequately tested product.
If they can make it so cheap by ignoring patents, why buy it from us in the first place?
Drug manufacturing is a high fixed cost industry. Manufacturing overhead is significant. By selling to countries with price controls they are able to achieve economies of scale and cover some of their manufacturing costs. Even so, without the profits derived from sales to countries without price controls, new and innovative drug therapies would all but disappear.
Aspirin is dangerous to some people. Caused bleeding in my father and one of my son’s that took it for a broken toe. Lets ban aspirin......get a life..
Your comments are similar to what I see down here in god's waiting room. "Give me mine and to hell with everyone else." It's a common refrain from folks who have no idea what they're talking about.
Granny, your comments lead me to believe that you're in nap mode 24/7.
Why do textbook publishers also sell books outside the country for much less than it costs to buy the same book here?
And I wonder how many other products sold overseas by U.S. companies, are being subsidized by American consumers?
I suspect that many, even most, new and "innovative" drugs are merely to replace a drug whose patent is about to expire.
Perhaps to even replace it with something less effective and more costly--or even more harmful.
I suspect most truly new drugs have their origins in academic laboratories.
Your home page sounds good, but I was reading National Review when you were still in diapers, along with American Spectator and Conservative Chronicles, you talked about price controls not me. Your home page sounds better than your freeping. I buy my own prescriptions, do you? Or is it paid for by others? Your comment on God’s waiting room had me LMAO. My daddy didn’t have to turn me on to conservative principals. I have lived them..
Smokes and booze are not subsidized by a socialist program.
If we buy drugs there we are supporting their socialist medicine and denying our free market companies their R&D revenue.
agree with you 100%. didn’t the drug companies try to push mandatory vaccines for young girls a while ago with the backing of the federal government? They and the federal government are hand in hand in pushing stuff not needed. Including vaccines for babies to protect against hepatitis. How many babies are prone to hepatitis? Some people will believe anything they read in the paper.. Some people don’t realize the effects some of these drugs have on babies..babies without a fully formed immune system..As a nurse I have seen the horrible effects they have on children. It is a minority but if its your child, you don’t care if its only a minority that have side effects.
Don't know. I'm not in the book business
And I wonder how many other products sold overseas by U.S. companies, are being subsidized by American consumers?
Charging what the market will bear? It's a travesty I tell ya. Capitalism presents a lot of problems for some folks but I've yet to hear of anything better. You?
Maybe you should look up the terms new and innovative.
Perhaps to even replace it with something less effective and more costly--or even more harmful.
Because companies that give their customers products offering lesser efficacy, or products that physically or mentally harm their customers, are more successful than those that don't? Did you learn that at the North Korea school of business?
I suspect most truly new drugs have their origins in academic laboratories.
I've spent a lot of time in a lot of labs but I've never been in an academic lab. You?
Your aversion to profits, and the progress they bring, is something your daddy forgot to teach you about on your journey to becoming a better conservative than those who understand the importance of the profit motive. Go back to your nap. You got yours.
Bill Buckley was also for the legalization of pot.. He was not infallible...I love profit. Members of my family owe their own business. I was also a small business owner. Gee you don’t know what a real socialist is...Look to any democrat...Your so called insults are funny as hel!. Better realize that you look stupid and I don’t give you to power to insult me...LOL get a life. Ask daddy how you should live. The best thing my daddy taught me was to stand up to stupid. And not to be just a sheep that follows the flock. or propaganda. Also taught me to never point a gun at anyone unless I fully intend to pull the trigger and never pull the trigger unless I fully intend to kill. He was a great teacher by example...didn’t have to tell me how to live..Just because you are not too swift in intellect, he never killed anyone either. But was a cop.
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