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Florida Boat Accident Survivor: 2 NFL Players Gave Up Hope
Fox News ^ | March 4, 2009

Posted on 03/04/2009 10:46:36 AM PST by Zakeet

As the Coast Guard ended its search for three missing football players whose boat tipped over in high Florida seas, the lone survivor said two of those lost gave up after hours in the frigid water and the third tried to swim to safety.

South Florida player Nick Schuyler told investigators that all four of the friends on a fishing excursion were initially wearing life vests and clinging to the 21-foot boat belonging to Oakland Raiders linebacker Marquis Cooper.

But two to four hours after the boat capsized, one of the NFL players removed his life jacket and let himself be swept out to sea, the St. Petersburg Times reported. A few hours later, the other one followed suit.

"We were told that Nick said the two NFL players took their life jackets off and drifted out to sea," said Bob Bleakley, whose son Will Bleakley, 25, is also still missing.

After Cooper, 26, and Corey Smith, 29, were carried away, Bleakley and Schuyler hung on until morning — but then Bleakley decided to swim to get help when he thought he saw a distant light, the paper said.

He, too, took his life vest off, 24-year-old Schuyler told the families.

"I think he was delusional to think he could swim someplace," the Times quoted Bob Bleakley as saying.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: accident; boat; florida; missing; nfl; rescue; schuyler; uscg
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Sad.
1 posted on 03/04/2009 10:46:37 AM PST by Zakeet
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To: Zakeet

Seems strange they took of their vests and allowed themselves to essentially “die” after just a few hours.

They must have been very distraught.


2 posted on 03/04/2009 10:49:21 AM PST by rightinthemiddle (Without the Mainstream Media, the Left is Nothing.)
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To: Zakeet

But two to four hours after the boat capsized, one of the NFL players removed his life jacket and let himself be swept out to sea, the St. Petersburg Times reported. A few hours later, the other one followed suit.

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What would drive them to do THAT?

I’m sure four to six hours in the sea would drive anyone mad, but jeez!

That is suicide.


3 posted on 03/04/2009 10:49:53 AM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: Zakeet

2 to 4 hours and they give up, no matter how cold it was I would have never given up.

That’s just a sad ending to a tragic story.


4 posted on 03/04/2009 10:50:38 AM PST by Influence (War doesn't determine who's right or wrong. War determines who's left.)
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To: Zakeet

I thought he initially said that at 2:00 in the morning on the day he was rescued that they were all still together. Seems strange they would give up so early.


5 posted on 03/04/2009 10:51:29 AM PST by jennyjenny
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To: rightinthemiddle

Probably the effects of hypothermia. I saw the doctor on FOX this a.m.; he said the survivor was alive due to his conditioning as a football player, but after 40 some hours in the water he would not have survived another five or ten hours at most.


6 posted on 03/04/2009 10:51:40 AM PST by henkster (0bamanomics: "I'll loan you all the money you need to get out of debt.")
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To: rightinthemiddle

I think the Hypothermia was having a terrible effect.


7 posted on 03/04/2009 10:52:12 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy (tHE)
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To: Responsibility2nd
What would drive them to do THAT?

You said it: temporary insanity. Tragic.

8 posted on 03/04/2009 10:52:24 AM PST by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Could thermal loss or ingestion of too much salt water cause delirium in such a short time?


9 posted on 03/04/2009 10:52:28 AM PST by posterchild (Endowed by my Creator with certain inalienable rights.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
What would drive them to do THAT? I’m sure four to six hours in the sea would drive anyone mad, but jeez!

Ever been seasick? I was deep sea fishing 30 miles off the coast of Massachusetts once. I was so sick, that hanging over the rail puking, I didn't care if I lived or died. I can't imagine that feeling while in the situation these guys were experiencing.

10 posted on 03/04/2009 10:53:09 AM PST by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Sounds more like panic and desperation. Those are the two most common killers in a survival situation.


11 posted on 03/04/2009 10:53:50 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: Petronski

I have heard that mental toughness is far more important in a true “survival situation” than physical toughness ... and the you don’t really know whether you have it until you’ve been there.


12 posted on 03/04/2009 10:54:00 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Zakeet
Sad story but a reminder all others that Darwin is always present. Don't leave shore without first checking the weather.

A strong cold front was moving through and a simple check of the weather before hand should have been enough to prevent this unnecessary loss.

13 posted on 03/04/2009 10:54:01 AM PST by fso301
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To: Zakeet
"It's a reminder of how life is fragile," he said.

So true - this life is but a vapor. The next one is eternal...so, be soul-ready and lay up treasures in heaven.

14 posted on 03/04/2009 10:54:09 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Influence
no matter how cold it was I would have never given up.
Unless you've been through it, I suggest you can the false bravado.
15 posted on 03/04/2009 10:55:05 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: henkster
Indeed. I would also say, that those player probably had low body fat percentages as well.

Sometimes in situations, fat helps.

16 posted on 03/04/2009 10:55:08 AM PST by BGHater (Tyranny is always better organised than freedom)
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To: Zakeet

“Drifting out to sea”, “delusional” — what a metaphor this sad story is on what’s happening today at the highest levels of government. The financial markets and economy have momentarily turtled and we’re trading life jacket principles for cement shoe ideas of change.


17 posted on 03/04/2009 10:55:11 AM PST by Ahithophel (Padron@Anniversario)
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To: Zakeet

I have read about climbers on Everest suffering from frost-bite and hypothermia.

Many are found dead, without their winter clothing on - in additon to becoming delusional, the end effects of hypothermia apparantly also cause one to feel “hot” - so they actually remove their clothing.


18 posted on 03/04/2009 10:55:36 AM PST by PGR88
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To: Zakeet

No one really know what they’d do in situations like this. Hypothermia can cause dementia.

Remember the father who tried to go for help when his family was caught in the snow in Washington State? Along the route he took off his clothing. This has also happened to experienced mountain climbers who become lost and hypothermic.


19 posted on 03/04/2009 10:57:11 AM PST by Lorianne
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To: posterchild

Paradoxical undressing is when the person removes warm clothing while in a state of hypothermia, which further increases heat loss. Because they are suffering from the cold and their body temperature is below the safe threshold, it seems incongruous that they would be removing warm clothing and causing themselves to become even colder.

To be sure, the phenomenon of paradoxical undressing is an enigma counter to expected behavior. With their core temperature below 90 degrees F, hypothermia sufferers frequently undress themselves. Urban victims of hypothermia that are found in a state of undress are often thought to be victims of assault.

http://www.survivaltopics.com/survival/paradoxical-undressing/


20 posted on 03/04/2009 10:57:20 AM PST by petercooper (1/20/13 - Change I can believe in.)
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To: rightinthemiddle

Hypothermia leads to bad decisions, happens to campers
too. Many instances of hikers taking off all their gear, packs, coats etc and wandering off the trail.

Remember, if you are shaking you are in the first stages of
hypothermia, If you feel cold...PUT SOMETHING ON!

Stay with the boat!


21 posted on 03/04/2009 10:58:08 AM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Zakeet

My husband and son spearfish in those waters and it’s cold right now (low 60’s.) Without a wetsuit, hypothermia probably set in quickly. These guys had no body fat either, they were athletes, I’d imagine low body fat could bring on hypothermia more quickly.


22 posted on 03/04/2009 10:58:46 AM PST by dawn53
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To: Zakeet

Man! It’s like they were drinking the sea water to go delusional that quick. Very sad.


23 posted on 03/04/2009 10:58:47 AM PST by CougarGA7 (Wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone.)
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To: oh8eleven

Really?? Its not bravado.... I’m just saying I would not give up until it killed me, not until it forcefully takes me, not because I take of the jacket.


24 posted on 03/04/2009 10:59:00 AM PST by Influence (War doesn't determine who's right or wrong. War determines who's left.)
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To: Influence
2 to 4 hours and they give up, no matter how cold it was I would have never given up.

I think it's pretty difficult for you to make that claim. Hypothermia and 6 hours floating in frigid water might make your thoughts not so clear.
25 posted on 03/04/2009 10:59:56 AM PST by mysterio
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To: Zakeet
Sad.

what!....No Emergency Beacon Transceivers (EBT)

"Socialism is great until you run out of someone elses money" Margaret Thatcher
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26 posted on 03/04/2009 11:00:49 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (just b/c you're paranoid, doesn't mean "they" aren't out to get you.. :^)
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To: mysterio

Well obviously one guy made it, he was determined so its not impossible. sheesh.


27 posted on 03/04/2009 11:00:53 AM PST by Influence (War doesn't determine who's right or wrong. War determines who's left.)
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To: BGHater

I’m agreeable on the body fat angle. A guy who is very lean....in cool water like this...probably will last half as long as a guy who is 300 pounds and very much overweight. The curious thing...this was not a big huge boat and its the size you’d expect in a lake or bay area...NOT on open sea. Several folks in my office commented on the idea of taking something this size out.


28 posted on 03/04/2009 11:01:01 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: PGR88

I think something like that happened to those guys who died up on Mount Hood in Oregon a while back. One of them (the injured one who was left behind while the others went for help) called someone on his cell phone and said his two companions went down the mountain to meet a friend who was coming to help them. There was no such “friend” coming for them.


29 posted on 03/04/2009 11:01:02 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: Influence
Really?? Its not bravado.... I’m just saying I would not give up until it killed me, not until it forcefully takes me, not because I take of the jacket.

See my post # 10.

30 posted on 03/04/2009 11:01:08 AM PST by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: tet68

First law of survival training. Stay at the crash sit or in this case “the boat”.


31 posted on 03/04/2009 11:02:01 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy (tHE)
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To: petercooper
To be sure, the phenomenon of paradoxical undressing is an enigma counter to expected behavior.

I always thought this referred to the times I got lucky in college.

32 posted on 03/04/2009 11:02:27 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: ArrogantBustard

No doubt the rough seas that caused them to capsize did not cease the moment they went in the water either.


33 posted on 03/04/2009 11:02:49 AM PST by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: posterchild
"Could thermal loss or ingestion of too much salt water cause delirium in such a short time?"

Yep, as a kid I got caught out in the cold and had decent clothes on for the weather but got wet when I fell through ice in a shallow creek and in just fours hours was loony toons. My friends got me to shelter and I was mumbling and ranting till they got me warmed up.

I was shivering so hard I was barely able to walk with help (Two guys on either side of me) after a few short minutes of being wet in Zero Degree weather.

34 posted on 03/04/2009 11:03:04 AM PST by Mad Dawgg ("`Eddies,' said Ford, `in the space-time continuum.' `Ah,' nodded Arthur, `is he? Is he?'")
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To: Zakeet

Very sad. Prayers for their families.

From the little I’ve read of people suffering hypothermia it causes delusional behavior.


35 posted on 03/04/2009 11:03:52 AM PST by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: buccaneer81

Ugh, the point is that someone made it! So its not impossible to say that I couldn’t make it just cause two guys gave up.

Obviously one guy was so determined to fight death he fought it off long enough to survive.

I don’t care if I was sick or not, Ive been through alot of pain myself, and as I said I would rather death take me and endure so without a doubt in my mind I could say I did everything I could.


36 posted on 03/04/2009 11:05:16 AM PST by Influence (War doesn't determine who's right or wrong. War determines who's left.)
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To: taxcontrol

The amount of panic would be overwhelming in this situation. Think about riding out 14 foot waves in a 21 foot boat when the boat is upright.

Flip the boat over and you feel completely helpless, you cannot right the boat, you cannot hang on, you are shivering cold, etc... They were constantly being slammed on the grooved hull...

The winds are blowing 30 or more...insane situation.

They would invariably be taking in salt water as they are taking an extreme relentless pounding. The salt water intake only adds to the delusion, add hypothermia and you have the perfect “storm” if you will for self-destruction.

It is a testament to the mental prowess of Schulyer - it is literally the only thing that saved him and his love for his family.

Sounds like Bleakly was a hero in this scenario...

The entire story is quite sad.


37 posted on 03/04/2009 11:05:37 AM PST by surfer
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To: posterchild

Hypothermia, ingesting salt water, and the stress of the situation does lead to loss of judgment, delirium and hallucinations which led to their giving up, or thinking that they might be able to swim to land, a boat, a light, etc. That description is typical for someone stranded in cold ocean waters for a long time; but less than 40 hours does seem a bit too short. I think they were just not mentally tough enough to get through it, but they could have if they stayed calm, stayed together and supported each other, and had their wits about them, knowing that a search and rescue would be sent for them.


38 posted on 03/04/2009 11:06:01 AM PST by lefty-lie-spy (Stay metal. For the Horde \m/("_")\m/)
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To: tet68
Stay with the boat!

Somewhere I believe I read that the survivor mentioned that they were anchored when a wave capsized the vessel. I would assume they were anchored even after the vessel went "bottom up". Get some rope, rig up something quick, hold on for DEAR LIFE.

39 posted on 03/04/2009 11:06:46 AM PST by OBXWanderer
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To: Old Retired Army Guy
sad story =(

The guy that survived was sitting atop the over-turned boat, hugging the motor. Being out of the water, he avoided most of the effects of hypothermia. That saved him for sure.

40 posted on 03/04/2009 11:06:52 AM PST by catbertz
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To: Zakeet

Sad story; and a strange one. . .but do not want ever to fing out just what I might do under similar circumstances. . .Am guessing that no one was able to get up on the boat (what to hold?) but rather; survivor just held on to ‘anchored’ boat; from side and/or underneath?

It is hard to figure; ‘son’ gives up and leaves Father as well. It must have been very cold out there. Am guessing there had to be a real fear of sharks as well.


41 posted on 03/04/2009 11:07:13 AM PST by cricket (January 20, 2009 - the day the music died)
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To: Zakeet

Whew. What a story.


42 posted on 03/04/2009 11:07:36 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: PGR88
I have read about climbers on Everest suffering from frost-bite and hypothermia. Many are found dead, without their winter clothing on - in additon to becoming delusional, the end effects of hypothermia apparantly also cause one to feel “hot” - so they actually remove their clothing.

That, and the effects of hypoxia caused by prolonged lack of oxygen.

43 posted on 03/04/2009 11:08:02 AM PST by lefty-lie-spy (Stay metal. For the Horde \m/("_")\m/)
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To: Zakeet

I don’t want to be a jerk, but a 21’ boat on open water?

That may seem like a pretty good sized boat when you’re on shore, or putttering around the intercoastal, but it’s really awfully small to take that far out.

I think that’s a lake boat, not an ocean boat.


44 posted on 03/04/2009 11:09:08 AM PST by conservativeharleyguy (Apparently, Obama would rather fight Limbaugh on the airwaves than Bin Laden in the sand!!!)
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To: Influence

Okay Macho Man - you’re tougher physically and mentally than three pro football players.


45 posted on 03/04/2009 11:10:28 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: dawn53

Good point; they were ‘big’ but no doubt; more ‘muscled’ than most non-athletes, their same size. Had not thought of how important real ‘fat’ is; in THIS situation. . .


46 posted on 03/04/2009 11:11:26 AM PST by cricket (January 20, 2009 - the day the music died)
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To: Zakeet

I remember this happened to the Californian stranded by the Rogue River in Oregon last winter—suffering from the effects of hypothermia, he actually shed most of his clothes near where he was found.

The rescuers said this is common; that you kind of lose your mind as you get close to dying from cold.

Best short story ever written on this sad subject: “To Build a Fire” by Jack London. Look it up on Google; it is quick and easy to read; a powerful story.


47 posted on 03/04/2009 11:12:02 AM PST by olivia3boys
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To: OBXWanderer

Have you ever tried to work with an anchor line where the anchor is on the bottom and you are floating in the water?

That is assuming the line remained on tied to the boat...

Add 14 foot seas and you just just compounded your problem.

I used to free lobster pots caught in the rudders of sailboats, now I could control the situation pretty well and it is seriously rough duty.

They were simply unable to be effective.

It was the quick thinking of Bleakly to get the flotation elements that really gave them their best chance. Diving under a flipped boat in those seas is quite dangerous. You could easily be knocked out by the craft rolling in the waves.


48 posted on 03/04/2009 11:12:14 AM PST by surfer
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To: oh8eleven

Good Lord, I’m not macho I’m just saying when theirs a will theirs a way. And to be honest who’s to say I’m not, who’s to say your not?? People can be tough in their own way.


49 posted on 03/04/2009 11:12:52 AM PST by Influence (War doesn't determine who's right or wrong. War determines who's left.)
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To: rightinthemiddle; NautiNurse; rodguy911

So sad ... most likely anxiety and delusion
prompted their leaving the certainty of
staying with the boat.

Schuyler has to be one tough guy.

God be with their families.


50 posted on 03/04/2009 11:14:56 AM PST by STARWISE ( They (LIBS-STILL) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war- Richard Miniter))
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