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Russian scholar says US will collapse next year
Breitbart ^ | March 4, 2009 | MIKE ECKEL

Posted on 03/04/2009 11:16:16 AM PST by RobinMasters

MOSCOW (AP) - If you're inclined to believe Igor Panarin, and the Kremlin wouldn't mind if you did, then President Barack Obama will order martial law this year, the U.S. will split into six rump-states before 2011, and Russia and China will become the backbones of a new world order.

Panarin might be easy to ignore but for the fact that he is a dean at the Foreign Ministry's school for future diplomats and a regular on Russia's state-guided TV channels. And his predictions fit into the anti-American story line of the Kremlin leadership.

"There is a high probability that the collapse of the United States will occur by 2010," Panarin told dozens of students, professors and diplomats Tuesday at the Diplomatic Academy—a lecture the ministry pointedly invited The Associated Press and other foreign media to attend.

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1 posted on 03/04/2009 11:16:16 AM PST by RobinMasters
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To: RobinMasters

Obama seems to be fast-tracking it for this year...


2 posted on 03/04/2009 11:19:34 AM PST by proudpapa (Obama - The Worst One Ever!)
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To: RobinMasters
'Rump-states'

Parump???? LOL!

3 posted on 03/04/2009 11:21:04 AM PST by BossLady ("WE are the origin of all coming evil" ~~ Carl Jung~~)
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To: RobinMasters

This coming from a country that has never gotten out of a collapse.


5 posted on 03/04/2009 11:22:06 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: RobinMasters

“Panarin might be easy to ignore but for the fact that he is a dean at the Foreign Ministry’s school for future diplomats and a regular on Russia’s state-guided TV channels”

Puts his credibility right up there with the likes of Katie Couric and Keith Olberman...


6 posted on 03/04/2009 11:23:51 AM PST by Finop (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.)
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To: RobinMasters

Russia has economists?


7 posted on 03/04/2009 11:24:03 AM PST by microgood
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To: RobinMasters

And then...? I mean, would this then result in the US finally being run by capitalists?


8 posted on 03/04/2009 11:24:07 AM PST by Steamburg ( Your wallet speaks the only language most politicians understand.)
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To: BossLady

Can’t I be part of the T-Bone section?

Honestly, this guy was pushing the same story back in 1998.


9 posted on 03/04/2009 11:24:53 AM PST by LuciaMia
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To: Dutchboy88

I would not dismiss it. The states need to push the 10th Amendment laws fast. I think the Federal govt will eventually default and it may be a lot sooner than you think.


10 posted on 03/04/2009 11:24:59 AM PST by Frantzie (Boycott GE - they own NBC, MSNBC, CNBC & Universal. Boycott Disney - they own ABC)
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To: RobinMasters
"and Russia and China will become the backbones of a new world order."

I've been posting the following for close to a year without a SINGLE response... (seriously, not a one)

From the Sino-Russian Joint Statement of April 23, 1997:
"The two sides [China and Russia] shall, in the spirit of partnership, strive to promote the multipolarization of the world and the establishment of a new international order."
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/HI29Ag01.html
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Russia, China flex muscles in joint war games
Reuters: Aug 17, 2007

CHEBARKUL, Russia (Reuters) - Russia and China staged their biggest joint exercises on Friday but denied this show of military prowess could lead to the formation of a counterweight to NATO.

"Today's exercises are another step towards strengthening the relations between our countries, a step towards strengthening international peace and security, and first and foremost, the security of our peoples," Putin said.

Fighter jets swooped overhead, commandos jumped from helicopters on to rooftops and the boom of artillery shells shook the firing range in Russia's Ural mountains as two of the largest armies in the world were put through their paces.

The exercises take place against a backdrop of mounting rivalry between the West, and Russia and China for influence over Central Asia, a strategic region that has huge oil, gas and mineral resources.

Russia's growing assertiveness is also causing jitters in the West. Putin announced at the firing range that Russia was resuming Soviet-era sorties by its strategic bomber aircraft near NATO airspace.
http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-29030120070817?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0
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"the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the [20th] century" -Russian leader Vladimir Putin on the collapse of the Soviet Union...
"World democratic opinion has yet to realize the alarming implications of President Vladimir Putin's State of the Union speech on April 25, 2005, in which he said that the collapse of the Soviet Union represented the 'greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century.'
http://www.hooverdigest.org/053/beichman.html

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11 posted on 03/04/2009 11:25:45 AM PST by ETL (ALL the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: RobinMasters
From the Russian News and Information Agency:
July 27, 2006
"'I am determined to expand relations with Russia,' Chavez, known as an outspoken critic of what he calls the United States' unilateralism, told the Russian leader, adding that his determination stemmed from their shared vision of the global order.":
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20060727/51913498.html
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From National Public Radio (NPR):
August 29, 2006
"Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has been visiting countries such as China, Iran and Russia as part of an effort to build a 'strategic alliance' of interests not beholden to the United States. He considers the United States his arch enemy.":
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5729764

12 posted on 03/04/2009 11:29:04 AM PST by ETL (ALL the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: RobinMasters
Ah yes, we've heard this before:


13 posted on 03/04/2009 11:29:04 AM PST by AreaMan
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To: RobinMasters
the U.S. will split into six rump-states before 2011

Someone tell me why this is a bad thing?

14 posted on 03/04/2009 11:30:18 AM PST by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: RobinMasters

6 Americas? I thought there were 2 Americas. Confused!


15 posted on 03/04/2009 11:31:22 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed less people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Wyatt's Torch
Re: "the U.S. will split into six rump-states before 2011"

Someone tell me why this is a bad thing?

"the U.S. will split into six rump-states before 2011, and Russia and China will become the backbones of a new world order."

16 posted on 03/04/2009 11:32:51 AM PST by ETL (ALL the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: RobinMasters
Venezuela Set to Develop Nuclear Power With Russia
September 29, 2008
CARACAS, Venezuela — President Hugo Chavez said Sunday that Russia will help Venezuela develop nuclear energy — a move likely to raise U.S. concerns over increasingly close cooperation between Caracas and Moscow.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,429441,00.html
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Venezuela's Chavez welcomes Russian warships
Nov 25, 2008
LA GUAIRA, Venezuela – Russian warships arrived off Venezuela's coast Tuesday in a show of strength aimed at the United States as Moscow seeks to expand its influence in Latin America. The deployment is the first of its kind in the Caribbean since the Cold War and was timed to coincide with President Dmitry Medvedev's visit to Caracas — the first ever by a Russian president.
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=%22Venezuela%27s+Chavez+welcomes+Russian+warships%22&ei=UTF-8&fr=moz2

More Yahoo search results for Russia and Venezuela connections:
http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geu_X30pZJCJEAfCtXNyoA?p=Russia+Venezuela+bombers+tanks+arms&y=Search&fr=404_news
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17 posted on 03/04/2009 11:35:16 AM PST by ETL (ALL the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: RobinMasters

Didn’t they say that last year?

And the year before?

And the.....


18 posted on 03/04/2009 11:37:18 AM PST by PeteB570 (NRA - Life member and Black Rifle owner)
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To: ETL

Being a Texan I’m all for it and wish it would happen tomorrow while we Texans still have some money left. Texas, Louisiana and Mississippi would have the monopoly on the oil and gas and could sell it to the jerks in north east for a high price. I like it!


19 posted on 03/04/2009 11:39:26 AM PST by In God I trust
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To: ETL

You split the US GDP by 6 (for simplicity sake) and that will be axiomatic. However, there is a great chance of that happening anyway due to the fast track destruction being wrought by the Obamarxists. Splitting gives us a better chance of survival of founding principals which will ultimately lead back to success.


20 posted on 03/04/2009 11:40:37 AM PST by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: Frantzie

They aren’t laws. They’re resolutions and amount to nothing more than temper tantrums.

I wish they were laws.


21 posted on 03/04/2009 11:43:41 AM PST by Crazieman (Feb 7, 2008 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1966675/posts?page=28#28)
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To: RobinMasters

Actually, Obama will destroy the Republic and David Petraeus will be first Emperor of America.


22 posted on 03/04/2009 11:47:43 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: RobinMasters

This guy also thinks Alaska will be ceded back to Russia. Is he assuming WITHOUT a fight???


23 posted on 03/04/2009 11:50:08 AM PST by ScottinVA (Make my world PURRRFECT, Lord Obama!!)
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To: In God I trust

Read and review (and yes, it even applies if you’re from Texas):

“I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands: one Nation under God, indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all


24 posted on 03/04/2009 11:50:31 AM PST by durasell
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To: RobinMasters

Is this Russian economist gay? What is a “rump state?”


25 posted on 03/04/2009 11:54:27 AM PST by jonrick46 (The Obama Administration is a blueprint for Fabian Socialism.)
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To: durasell
one Nation under God, indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all

Just a casual, innocent question, but if the first, third, and fourth descriptors no longer apply, is the second still valid?

26 posted on 03/04/2009 11:57:14 AM PST by Liberty Tree Surgeon (Mow your own lawn!)
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To: puffer

The Russians should know better than anyone else. They’ve lived in a collapsed society all their lives!


27 posted on 03/04/2009 12:00:22 PM PST by Skenderbej
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To: Liberty Tree Surgeon

Yes. It ALL still applies.

You may choose to sit out the Pledge at public events if you like, if your interpretation is different. You are also free to leave the country at any time and apply for citizenship elsewhere.

As for me, I was born an American and intend to stay an American.


28 posted on 03/04/2009 12:01:14 PM PST by durasell
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To: Skenderbej

The Russkies are just pissed off because they lost Ukraine, Gerogia and the rest of the satellite countries since the 80’s.

If they want to come here and take it from us, mayvbe they havent seen RED DAWN.


29 posted on 03/04/2009 12:08:37 PM PST by max americana
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To: RobinMasters

His scenario is plausible, except for the six. An unconstitutional putsch by Obama could split the country, but I suspect three pieces, which would quickly be reduced to two: Alaska; a rump Federal block loyal to Obama consisting of the Northeast (including Ohio), West Coast, Virginia, Illinois, Wisconsin and Minnesota; and the rest of the lower 48.

I’m guessing Alaska would rejoin the New Union in the lower 48 fairly soon. Maybe Hawaii would go independent, maybe it would stay with Obama, and maybe some heavily Mexican border counties would try to join Mexico (though not if they knew what was good for them).

I’m guessing the inland rural parts of the West Coast states, and downstate Illinois and parts of Ohio and Virginia would secede from their states and join the New Union. The New Union would have all the farms, most of the military bases and most of the natural resources. Obama’s rump state would be left with most of the population, and no way to support them. There would be some nasty fighting in the pro-Obama cities of states in the New Union, and in areas where the rural population tries to secede from a pro-Obama state.


30 posted on 03/04/2009 12:11:42 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: In God I trust

Not quite, the Okies and us Kansans are still pumping and refining oil. Of course, we’d like to end up in the same successor state with you Texans (otherwise what would happen to Big 12 football?).


31 posted on 03/04/2009 12:13:58 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: RobinMasters

I believe this guy to the extent that starting about summer of 2010 the first shots of the Social War will be fired.


32 posted on 03/04/2009 12:14:45 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: RobinMasters

As we say here in the Confederacy: if at first you don’t secede, try, try again. After all, it was only 139 years ago, a mere eye-blink in historic terms.


33 posted on 03/04/2009 12:14:56 PM PST by southernnorthcarolina (Tagline under official review.)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
Been watching Ghost in the Shell: SAC have we?

(There is something eerily prescient about the scene where folks from the CIA first turn up and are introduced as representing the American Empire.)

34 posted on 03/04/2009 12:16:11 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: Frantzie

I believe a split like he’s talking about is the only hope we have for liberty.

The dems are acting fast to use the power of the fedgov to make sure that there is never another fair election, and that they will perpetually be in power.

Let them be in power, of about 20 liberal states that want to be socialist. The rest of us will live our lives in freedom and personal responsibility.


35 posted on 03/04/2009 12:17:08 PM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: In God I trust

So, are you ready for a rush of immigrants from the north of your border as well?


36 posted on 03/04/2009 12:18:20 PM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: jonrick46

‘Rump’ in politics means a small remnant. As in the “rump parliament” during the English Civil War.


37 posted on 03/04/2009 12:18:34 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: Wyatt's Torch

Love your screen name!


38 posted on 03/04/2009 12:24:19 PM PST by Vor Lady (This tagline extinct due to gorebull warming.)
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To: RobinMasters

What would “collapse of the United States” look like? I don’t understand. Will we all fall down? Will the states all become independent>? Not sure what those words mean


39 posted on 03/04/2009 12:29:51 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware of socialism in America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: The_Reader_David

I pretty well agree with your take, especially regarding how rural areas of states like Illinois would break off to join the rest of flyover country. My own county in rural IL voted for Keyes over Obama in the 2004 Senate elections, for crying out loud. If there is a breakup Obama will get a bunch of cities full of angry stupid people, and very little else.


40 posted on 03/04/2009 12:35:12 PM PST by Liberty1970 (Democrats are not in control. God is. And Thank God for that!)
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To: durasell
Don't think you know anything about me by implying I do anything but rise and salute our flag. However, if 70% of your countrymen cease to do so, and elect officials whom are hell bent on changing the America you were born in into something that is decidedly and markedly NOT America, do you intend to salute the same flag? Would you have been a "good German"? Note that I am NOT calling you a Nazi, but asking if you would have still saluted the flag of Germany given what the Nazis turned that country into? You might say, "no, I would have fought the regime and helped the Allies", but what if there are NO Allies, and no outside, free country left to liberate you and like-minded individuals? At what point, if any, does it become THEIR flag?

Unhappy, dispiriting points to ponder, but important. Keep also in mind the End Times aspect to not calling yourself a member of a nation that curses Israel (which the administration is close to doing, if they haven't already done so with Hillary's Mideast trip).

41 posted on 03/04/2009 12:38:42 PM PST by Liberty Tree Surgeon (Mow your own lawn!)
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To: RobinMasters

If we went all the way back to shortly after the Russian revolution, and looked at public statements about the U.S., we would probably see the same prediction hundreds of times, if not thousands of times.

Yawn...


42 posted on 03/04/2009 12:51:08 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Resolved: Gregg, McCain, Snowe, Spectre: 2010, Collins, Graham: 2014)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

Maybe second, don’t forget His Imperial Majesty Norton I, by Grace of God Emperor of these United States and Protector of Mexico.


43 posted on 03/04/2009 1:05:54 PM PST by Unlikely Hero ("Time is a wonderful teacher; unfortunately, it kills all its pupils." --Berlioz)
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To: Liberty Tree Surgeon

The Nazis made that particular moral quandry easy when they came up with their own flag. :)


44 posted on 03/04/2009 1:13:42 PM PST by Unlikely Hero ("Time is a wonderful teacher; unfortunately, it kills all its pupils." --Berlioz)
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To: Unlikely Hero

You’ve found the obvious flaw in my analogy’s visualization. Doesn’t negate the gist of it though! ;-)


45 posted on 03/04/2009 1:19:48 PM PST by Liberty Tree Surgeon (Mow your own lawn!)
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To: Liberty Tree Surgeon

LOL, it’s still a difficult question—at what point does one stop supporting the government in Nazi Germany, and start resisting, either actively or passively? Not as easy on to answer. :)


46 posted on 03/04/2009 1:21:22 PM PST by Unlikely Hero ("Time is a wonderful teacher; unfortunately, it kills all its pupils." --Berlioz)
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To: RobinMasters

at this point....let the ‘Bamsters have the coasts, the union states...and be done with it. Some of us still prefer freedom to serfdom....


47 posted on 03/04/2009 1:36:54 PM PST by mo
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To: ETL

Lowlife communist wannabees.

Putin can go screw Stalin’s remains.


48 posted on 03/04/2009 1:49:46 PM PST by Levante
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To: The_Reader_David
Not quite, the Okies and us Kansans are still pumping and refining oil. Of course, we’d like to end up in the same successor state with you Texans (otherwise what would happen to Big 12 football?).

We'd love to have those two join us. I would welcome NM as well so we can still go snow skiing...tee-hee

49 posted on 03/04/2009 2:17:45 PM PST by In God I trust
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To: MrB
So, are you ready for a rush of immigrants from the north of your border as well?

We'll have to deal with that issue and keep the commies from infultrating ya know. I really wish it would happen now. I've had it with D.C.

50 posted on 03/04/2009 2:20:20 PM PST by In God I trust
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