Skip to comments.Russian scholar says US will collapse next year
Posted on 03/04/2009 11:16:16 AM PST by RobinMasters
MOSCOW (AP) - If you're inclined to believe Igor Panarin, and the Kremlin wouldn't mind if you did, then President Barack Obama will order martial law this year, the U.S. will split into six rump-states before 2011, and Russia and China will become the backbones of a new world order.
Panarin might be easy to ignore but for the fact that he is a dean at the Foreign Ministry's school for future diplomats and a regular on Russia's state-guided TV channels. And his predictions fit into the anti-American story line of the Kremlin leadership.
"There is a high probability that the collapse of the United States will occur by 2010," Panarin told dozens of students, professors and diplomats Tuesday at the Diplomatic Academya lecture the ministry pointedly invited The Associated Press and other foreign media to attend.
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Obama seems to be fast-tracking it for this year...
This coming from a country that has never gotten out of a collapse.
“Panarin might be easy to ignore but for the fact that he is a dean at the Foreign Ministry’s school for future diplomats and a regular on Russia’s state-guided TV channels”
Puts his credibility right up there with the likes of Katie Couric and Keith Olberman...
Russia has economists?
And then...? I mean, would this then result in the US finally being run by capitalists?
Can’t I be part of the T-Bone section?
Honestly, this guy was pushing the same story back in 1998.
I would not dismiss it. The states need to push the 10th Amendment laws fast. I think the Federal govt will eventually default and it may be a lot sooner than you think.
I've been posting the following for close to a year without a SINGLE response... (seriously, not a one)
From the Sino-Russian Joint Statement of April 23, 1997:
"The two sides [China and Russia] shall, in the spirit of partnership, strive to promote the multipolarization of the world and the establishment of a new international order."
Russia, China flex muscles in joint war games
Reuters: Aug 17, 2007
CHEBARKUL, Russia (Reuters) - Russia and China staged their biggest joint exercises on Friday but denied this show of military prowess could lead to the formation of a counterweight to NATO.
"Today's exercises are another step towards strengthening the relations between our countries, a step towards strengthening international peace and security, and first and foremost, the security of our peoples," Putin said.
Fighter jets swooped overhead, commandos jumped from helicopters on to rooftops and the boom of artillery shells shook the firing range in Russia's Ural mountains as two of the largest armies in the world were put through their paces.
The exercises take place against a backdrop of mounting rivalry between the West, and Russia and China for influence over Central Asia, a strategic region that has huge oil, gas and mineral resources.
Russia's growing assertiveness is also causing jitters in the West. Putin announced at the firing range that Russia was resuming Soviet-era sorties by its strategic bomber aircraft near NATO airspace.
"the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the [20th] century" -Russian leader Vladimir Putin on the collapse of the Soviet Union...
"World democratic opinion has yet to realize the alarming implications of President Vladimir Putin's State of the Union speech on April 25, 2005, in which he said that the collapse of the Soviet Union represented the 'greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century.'
From National Public Radio (NPR):
August 29, 2006
"Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has been visiting countries such as China, Iran and Russia as part of an effort to build a 'strategic alliance' of interests not beholden to the United States. He considers the United States his arch enemy.":
Someone tell me why this is a bad thing?
6 Americas? I thought there were 2 Americas. Confused!
Someone tell me why this is a bad thing?
"the U.S. will split into six rump-states before 2011, and Russia and China will become the backbones of a new world order."
Venezuela's Chavez welcomes Russian warships
Nov 25, 2008
LA GUAIRA, Venezuela Russian warships arrived off Venezuela's coast Tuesday in a show of strength aimed at the United States as Moscow seeks to expand its influence in Latin America. The deployment is the first of its kind in the Caribbean since the Cold War and was timed to coincide with President Dmitry Medvedev's visit to Caracas the first ever by a Russian president.
More Yahoo search results for Russia and Venezuela connections:
Didn’t they say that last year?
And the year before?
Being a Texan I’m all for it and wish it would happen tomorrow while we Texans still have some money left. Texas, Louisiana and Mississippi would have the monopoly on the oil and gas and could sell it to the jerks in north east for a high price. I like it!
You split the US GDP by 6 (for simplicity sake) and that will be axiomatic. However, there is a great chance of that happening anyway due to the fast track destruction being wrought by the Obamarxists. Splitting gives us a better chance of survival of founding principals which will ultimately lead back to success.
They aren’t laws. They’re resolutions and amount to nothing more than temper tantrums.
I wish they were laws.
Actually, Obama will destroy the Republic and David Petraeus will be first Emperor of America.
This guy also thinks Alaska will be ceded back to Russia. Is he assuming WITHOUT a fight???
Read and review (and yes, it even applies if you’re from Texas):
“I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands: one Nation under God, indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all
Is this Russian economist gay? What is a “rump state?”
Just a casual, innocent question, but if the first, third, and fourth descriptors no longer apply, is the second still valid?
The Russians should know better than anyone else. They’ve lived in a collapsed society all their lives!
Yes. It ALL still applies.
You may choose to sit out the Pledge at public events if you like, if your interpretation is different. You are also free to leave the country at any time and apply for citizenship elsewhere.
As for me, I was born an American and intend to stay an American.
The Russkies are just pissed off because they lost Ukraine, Gerogia and the rest of the satellite countries since the 80’s.
If they want to come here and take it from us, mayvbe they havent seen RED DAWN.
His scenario is plausible, except for the six. An unconstitutional putsch by Obama could split the country, but I suspect three pieces, which would quickly be reduced to two: Alaska; a rump Federal block loyal to Obama consisting of the Northeast (including Ohio), West Coast, Virginia, Illinois, Wisconsin and Minnesota; and the rest of the lower 48.
I’m guessing Alaska would rejoin the New Union in the lower 48 fairly soon. Maybe Hawaii would go independent, maybe it would stay with Obama, and maybe some heavily Mexican border counties would try to join Mexico (though not if they knew what was good for them).
I’m guessing the inland rural parts of the West Coast states, and downstate Illinois and parts of Ohio and Virginia would secede from their states and join the New Union. The New Union would have all the farms, most of the military bases and most of the natural resources. Obama’s rump state would be left with most of the population, and no way to support them. There would be some nasty fighting in the pro-Obama cities of states in the New Union, and in areas where the rural population tries to secede from a pro-Obama state.
Not quite, the Okies and us Kansans are still pumping and refining oil. Of course, we’d like to end up in the same successor state with you Texans (otherwise what would happen to Big 12 football?).
I believe this guy to the extent that starting about summer of 2010 the first shots of the Social War will be fired.
As we say here in the Confederacy: if at first you don’t secede, try, try again. After all, it was only 139 years ago, a mere eye-blink in historic terms.
(There is something eerily prescient about the scene where folks from the CIA first turn up and are introduced as representing the American Empire.)
I believe a split like he’s talking about is the only hope we have for liberty.
The dems are acting fast to use the power of the fedgov to make sure that there is never another fair election, and that they will perpetually be in power.
Let them be in power, of about 20 liberal states that want to be socialist. The rest of us will live our lives in freedom and personal responsibility.
So, are you ready for a rush of immigrants from the north of your border as well?
‘Rump’ in politics means a small remnant. As in the “rump parliament” during the English Civil War.
Love your screen name!
What would “collapse of the United States” look like? I don’t understand. Will we all fall down? Will the states all become independent>? Not sure what those words mean
I pretty well agree with your take, especially regarding how rural areas of states like Illinois would break off to join the rest of flyover country. My own county in rural IL voted for Keyes over Obama in the 2004 Senate elections, for crying out loud. If there is a breakup Obama will get a bunch of cities full of angry stupid people, and very little else.
Unhappy, dispiriting points to ponder, but important. Keep also in mind the End Times aspect to not calling yourself a member of a nation that curses Israel (which the administration is close to doing, if they haven't already done so with Hillary's Mideast trip).
If we went all the way back to shortly after the Russian revolution, and looked at public statements about the U.S., we would probably see the same prediction hundreds of times, if not thousands of times.
Maybe second, don’t forget His Imperial Majesty Norton I, by Grace of God Emperor of these United States and Protector of Mexico.
The Nazis made that particular moral quandry easy when they came up with their own flag. :)
You’ve found the obvious flaw in my analogy’s visualization. Doesn’t negate the gist of it though! ;-)
LOL, it’s still a difficult question—at what point does one stop supporting the government in Nazi Germany, and start resisting, either actively or passively? Not as easy on to answer. :)
at this point....let the ‘Bamsters have the coasts, the union states...and be done with it. Some of us still prefer freedom to serfdom....
Lowlife communist wannabees.
Putin can go screw Stalin’s remains.
We'd love to have those two join us. I would welcome NM as well so we can still go snow skiing...tee-hee
We'll have to deal with that issue and keep the commies from infultrating ya know. I really wish it would happen now. I've had it with D.C.