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[Italian] Doctor claims cloning three human babies
PTI ^ | 5 Mar 2009, 0057 hrs IST | PTI

Posted on 03/04/2009 1:04:43 PM PST by MyTwoCopperCoins

LONDON: The ethical aspect notwithstanding, an Italian doctor has claimed to have cloned three human babies who are "healthy" and now living in eastern Europe.

"I helped give birth to three children with the human cloning technique. It involved two boys and a girl who are nine years old today. They were born healthy and they are in excellent health now," the Daily Telegraph quoted Severino Antinori as telling the 'Oggi' weekly.

"The women's eggs were impregnated in a laboratory through a method called 'nuclear transfer'," he said, adding that the method used was "an improvement" over the technique used to clone Dolly the sheep in 1996.

Two weeks ago, Antinori had sparked controversy by announcing that he would artificially impregnate a woman whose husband is in an irreversible coma following a brain tumour.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: clone; cloning; geneticcannibalism; genetics; guineapigs; human; humanclosing; scientificexperiment

1 posted on 03/04/2009 1:04:43 PM PST by MyTwoCopperCoins
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

Headline worthy of the Enquirer.


2 posted on 03/04/2009 1:06:09 PM PST by OB1kNOb (Economists predicting a quick recovery are like the band that continued playing on the Titanic.)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

And we should believe this claim because ... ?


3 posted on 03/04/2009 1:06:31 PM PST by Tax-chick ("There are more enjoyable ways of going to Hell." ~ St. Bernard)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

“Clones-a? Ohhh, surrre- I gotta lotsa da clones! I a been a doin itta fo years-a!”

“You say clones-a, I gotta de clones-a, no problem!”


4 posted on 03/04/2009 1:09:11 PM PST by J40000
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

I am not surprised. My guess we have been doing this for years.


5 posted on 03/04/2009 1:16:25 PM PST by Diggity
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To: Tax-chick

A DNA test should reveal the authenticity of the claim, if the clones are identified.


6 posted on 03/04/2009 1:16:25 PM PST by MyTwoCopperCoins (I don't have a license to kill; I have a learner's permit.)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

These people never submit their claims to independent scientific verification.


7 posted on 03/04/2009 1:18:06 PM PST by Tax-chick ("There are more enjoyable ways of going to Hell." ~ St. Bernard)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins
“”The women's eggs were impregnated in a laboratory through a method called ‘nuclear transfer’......,”

Right. Lots of that nuclear transferring going on these days.

8 posted on 03/04/2009 1:18:33 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins
How long?


9 posted on 03/04/2009 1:22:22 PM PST by Domandred (Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.)
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To: Tax-chick

It’s because cloning humans is illegal.


10 posted on 03/04/2009 1:25:19 PM PST by MyTwoCopperCoins (I don't have a license to kill; I have a learner's permit.)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

Out of print but still worth reading, Brain Child by George Turner.


11 posted on 03/04/2009 1:26:58 PM PST by printhead
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins
So he'd get a fine, if it were proved. Big deal - he'd be whisked into a secure location and set up with a life of luxury, if it were proved.

Far more probable: he's made the whole thing up, just like the last guy. The South Korean, remember?

12 posted on 03/04/2009 1:30:25 PM PST by Tax-chick ("There are more enjoyable ways of going to Hell." ~ St. Bernard)
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To: Tax-chick

I remember the Korean. Wasn’t he working for a university at the time?


13 posted on 03/04/2009 1:38:27 PM PST by MyTwoCopperCoins (I don't have a license to kill; I have a learner's permit.)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

That seems right, although I’m not sure.


14 posted on 03/04/2009 1:40:09 PM PST by Tax-chick ("There are more enjoyable ways of going to Hell." ~ St. Bernard)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins
A DNA test should reveal the authenticity of the claim, if the clones are identified.

They could simply be identical triplets.
15 posted on 03/04/2009 1:45:00 PM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: AnotherUnixGeek; MyTwoCopperCoins

I assumed the poster meant a DNA match with the supposed tissue donor.


16 posted on 03/04/2009 1:47:26 PM PST by Tax-chick ("There are more enjoyable ways of going to Hell." ~ St. Bernard)
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To: Tax-chick

Yes, you’re right. And I also didn’t read the article thoroughly enough to note that the babies were of both genders. Sorry for the drive-by posting.


17 posted on 03/04/2009 1:53:15 PM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

I hadn’t noticed the sex of the supposed children, either.


18 posted on 03/04/2009 2:02:00 PM PST by Tax-chick ("There are more enjoyable ways of going to Hell." ~ St. Bernard)
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To: Tax-chick

Yes, I am aware natural-born identical twins have the same DNA. Cloning can be verified if the biological mother and the children are identical, genetically.


19 posted on 03/04/2009 2:06:16 PM PST by MyTwoCopperCoins (I don't have a license to kill; I have a learner's permit.)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
"They could simply be identical triplets."



I could see benefits of such technology.
20 posted on 03/04/2009 3:02:18 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag Fire.)
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To: MeanWestTexan
By my count these are Identical sextuplets.
21 posted on 03/04/2009 3:04:47 PM PST by Mad Dawgg ("`Eddies,' said Ford, `in the space-time continuum.' `Ah,' nodded Arthur, `is he? Is he?'")
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I lost count. (Yes, these are triplets.)
22 posted on 03/04/2009 3:13:36 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag Fire.)
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To: MeanWestTexan

Are those the girls who were in the “Nash Bridges” episode?


23 posted on 03/04/2009 3:36:32 PM PST by Tax-chick ("There are more enjoyable ways of going to Hell." ~ St. Bernard)
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To: MeanWestTexan

“Each of the blonde-haired sisters has had breast implant surgery to augment her appearance.”

FAIL.


24 posted on 03/04/2009 3:40:49 PM PST by MyTwoCopperCoins (I don't have a license to kill; I have a learner's permit.)
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To: Tax-chick

Oh, I don’t know. I googled “clones” to get a funny picture.


25 posted on 03/04/2009 3:45:11 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag Fire.)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins; Tax-chick

This guy is one step behind the Raelians. Once upon a time, he was a serious physician/researcher, but he went over the edge many years ago, and the scientific community doesn’t take him any more seriously than it takes the Raelians. If he’d actually succeeded with a human cloning 9 years ago, the evidence would have been presented long before now. He might have done a nuclear transfer from a zygote to a donor egg or zygote, but that’s not cloning, and the resulting baby would not be a DNA match to either of the parents who provided the gametes for the tranferred nucleus (or to any one who provided the donor egg or zygote).


26 posted on 03/04/2009 6:05:54 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Thanks, that’s very informative.


27 posted on 03/05/2009 3:47:15 AM PST by Tax-chick ("There are more enjoyable ways of going to Hell." ~ St. Bernard)
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