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Marietta F-22ís fate up in air
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | Friday, February 27, 2009 | Dan Chapman

Posted on 03/04/2009 3:57:48 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

The fate of the F-22 Raptor fighter jet, assembled by Lockheed Martin Corp. in Marietta, won’t be known until April when President Obama details his budgetary priorities, administration and congressional officials said Thursday.

The president’s budget includes $534 billion for the Department of Defense, a four percent increase over the current budget. Obama and other administration officials have hinted recently, though, that money for big-dollar weapons systems like the F-22 will be cut.

The president, in his Tuesday address to Congress, promised “to reform our defense budget so that we’re not paying for Cold War-era weapons systems we don’t use.” Rep. Phil Gingrey (R-Ga.), whose district includes the airplane factory, hopes Obama wasn’t talking about the F-22.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aerospace; f22raptor; miltech

1 posted on 03/04/2009 3:57:48 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Israel will buy them. As will Australia.


2 posted on 03/04/2009 3:59:03 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag Fire.)
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To: All
USA Today article:

Raptor in dogfight for its future

3 posted on 03/04/2009 3:59:06 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (What happened to my IRAs)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Obama is determined to gut our military.


4 posted on 03/04/2009 3:59:54 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Enemy in the wire.....and his name is Hussein !


5 posted on 03/04/2009 4:02:43 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: All
And from Gizmodo:

The F-22 Raptor May Be Replaced By...Sniper Blimps?

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Originally designed to fight the Soviets in WWIII, the F-22 Raptor has never seen combat. And now, Barack Obama needs to decide whether to keep building them or kill the plane forever.

Lots of Jobs on the line....

6 posted on 03/04/2009 4:02:53 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (What happened to my IRAs)
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To: MeanWestTexan

They can’t. Not the good ones.


7 posted on 03/04/2009 4:04:28 PM PST by allmost
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The Soviet Union was long dead when the Raptor was developed. It’s hardly a Cold War weapon system.


8 posted on 03/04/2009 4:06:07 PM PST by MediaMole
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To: MeanWestTexan

I wish they would ... and use them.


9 posted on 03/04/2009 4:08:03 PM PST by Tax-chick ("There are more enjoyable ways of going to Hell." ~ St. Bernard)
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To: MediaMole
Shss! They were built for use on China.
10 posted on 03/04/2009 4:10:14 PM PST by Jet Jaguar (Atlas Shrugged Mode: ON)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Not a very good idea to throw away military supremacy right now.
China to increase defence spending by 15 per cent
11 posted on 03/04/2009 4:10:28 PM PST by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius, (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

“that money for big-dollar weapons systems like the F-22 will be cut.”

We’ll only buy three of them since that’s what military genius Obama thinks is all we need.


12 posted on 03/04/2009 4:16:32 PM PST by yazoo
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To: Tax-chick

It will never be exported to Israel, because of the sensitivity of the technology, and the dubious record of Israel in brazenly exporting American technology to China.

They sent details relating to the F-16, in the late-80s to China, via the Lavi fighter plans, and nearly came close to selling the secretive AWACS force-multiplier radars. In fact, for the AWACS, they were adamant in seeing the sales go through to China, until they were strong-handed in the last minute.


13 posted on 03/04/2009 4:21:40 PM PST by MyTwoCopperCoins (I don't have a license to kill; I have a learner's permit.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
This email was forwarded to me by a buddy who's retired Air Force.

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FIRST FA-22 FIGHTERS DELIVERED TO LANGLEY AIR FORCE BASE. These are great in-flight photos of the FA-22 as the first aircraft delivery was being made to Langley AFB in Va. Langley is to be first operational AFB for the FA-22. It is a very beautiful AFB, located in a picturesque location, as you can see in these photos, near Norfolk and Hampton, Va.

The aircraft flying along with the FA-22 in the last of these photos is the F-15, which will be replaced by the FA-22 which is several times better. In actual In-flight (simulated) combat operations against the F-15, two FA-22s were able to operate without detection while they went head to head against (8) F-15s. The FA-22s scored missile hits (kills) against all the F-15 Aircraft and the F/A-22s were never detected by either the F-15s or ground based radar. Maj. Gen. Rick Lewis said: 'The Raptor operated against all adversaries with virtual impunity; ground based systems couldn't engage and NO adversary aircraft survived'!

FA-22 --- America 's most advanced fighter aircraft for the 21st Century! They're a titanium and carbon fiber dagger. They're so advanced that if their on-board locator is switched off even our own satellites can lose track of them. They're the first military aircraft ever built that is equipped with a 'black-out button'. What that means is this: The best conditioned fighter pilots are capable of maintaining consciousness up to in the vicinity of 15+ G. The Raptor is capable of making 22+ G turns. If someday an adversary builds a missile that is capable of catching up to one of these airplanes and a Raptor pilot sees that a strike is imminent, he hits the 'b.o.b.' and the airplane makes a virtual U-turn, leaving the missile to pass right on by. They know that in the process he'll temporarily lose consciousness, so the Raptor then automatically comes back to straight and level flight until he wakes back up.

Amazing, and Obama wants to kill this weapon? I still cannot believe this man is our president.

14 posted on 03/04/2009 4:33:51 PM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

Oh, too bad. It’s a nice plane, and somebody should use it.


15 posted on 03/04/2009 4:36:11 PM PST by Tax-chick ("There are more enjoyable ways of going to Hell." ~ St. Bernard)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The 9/11 hijackers attacked the United States Military, the American economy, and attempted to attack our civilian government.

Zero has:

1) Crushed the stock market

2) Compromised the civilian government with the appointment of numerous incompetent crooks

3) Is attempting to gut the military.

Coincidence?

I think NOT!

16 posted on 03/04/2009 4:38:02 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Tax-chick

I don’t think it’ll ever be exported.

The F-35, yes. But not this. And for very good reasons.


17 posted on 03/04/2009 4:38:59 PM PST by MyTwoCopperCoins (I don't have a license to kill; I have a learner's permit.)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

And I guess we won’t use it on our enemies, either.


18 posted on 03/04/2009 4:40:50 PM PST by Tax-chick ("There are more enjoyable ways of going to Hell." ~ St. Bernard)
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To: Mase
Ahhhh. . . .not really. Have no idea who your friend is, but the nonsense about flying the jet when the pilot is G-LOC, that tells me your friend isn't too much aware of the actual aircraft or its performance. . . and definately never was a fighter pilot, or a pilot of any sort in a modern jet.

This 15+ G's for the F-15, and 22+ G's for the Raptor is also nonsense. F-15 rated to 9 Gs, and if you factor a 1.5 G-limit for over-engineering, you end up with 13.5 G's. And anything over 9 G's in a straight pull in an F-15 is an over-G and requires detailed post flight inspections. I won't even go into the 22 G stuff.

The F-22 is a great jet but we don't need to make up stuff about G-loading and automatic maneuvers.

19 posted on 03/04/2009 4:46:29 PM PST by Hulka
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To: Tax-chick

Lots of jobs all across the country gonna be lost if they decide to stop this assembly line.


20 posted on 03/04/2009 4:46:52 PM PST by superfries
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To: Hulka

That’s fine. It was a broadcast email and I don’t know if he even read it before forwarding. He’s been retired for a long time. I just copied and pasted it since I know nothing about G loading. The pictures are pretty awesome though. If the simulation test is true, and the Raptor can make those kind of kill ratios, then I still can’t believe dear leader wants to stop production. G forces notwithstanding, I hope you can still enjoy the photos. They look real.


21 posted on 03/04/2009 4:58:25 PM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Mase

Cool pics and info on the Raptor.


22 posted on 03/04/2009 5:10:08 PM PST by 6SJ7 (Atlas Shrugged Mode: ON)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Russia and China are still threats. Therefore, the F-22 is a necessary project, and should be procured at the original numbers (1100 aircraft).

Think of the extra jobs that these would generate...


23 posted on 03/04/2009 5:18:41 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

What about the lost jobs?!

Dumbass.


24 posted on 03/04/2009 5:22:00 PM PST by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: MediaMole

It was on the drawing board during the 1980’s. It was delayed because of the end of the Cold War. If the Cold War didn’t end, the F-22 would probably have been deployed by 1995.


25 posted on 03/04/2009 5:25:54 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: Squantos

Roger that!


26 posted on 03/04/2009 5:38:11 PM PST by Dapper 26
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

But, are these people not working? Wouldn’t it be counterproductive to lay off people with so much Porkulus money from our grandchildren’s earnings?


27 posted on 03/04/2009 5:40:44 PM PST by Dapper 26
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Carter killed the B-1. The F-22 is 0bama’s B-1. I mean, if we weren’t armed, everyone would love us.


28 posted on 03/04/2009 5:41:53 PM PST by Islander7 (If you want to anger conservatives, lie to them. If you want to anger liberals, tell them the truth.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
It should be called the F-22 Dead Albatross. It is a political football and is goosed up for a war we'll never fight. It costs too much and the money is better spent elsewhere (in our military).

No current Air Force pilot I know believes they'll be humans in a cockpit in the near future. Wrong direction and too much lucre.

29 posted on 03/04/2009 5:52:23 PM PST by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

Correct.


30 posted on 03/04/2009 5:53:39 PM PST by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: Thunder90

What about the jobs that wasteful spending will cost in taxes?


31 posted on 03/04/2009 5:56:06 PM PST by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: Hulka
I saw an early F-16 (Block 10) where the flight control computers apparently had some sort of fight for control.

The pilot G-LOC'd several times but eventually got things under control and landed.

When you got up close to the jet you could see very defined ripples down the backbone. Scratch one Falcon from the inventory.

32 posted on 03/04/2009 5:56:24 PM PST by LasVegasMac (Islam: Bringing the world death and destruction for 1400 years!)
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To: Mase
'The Raptor operated against all adversaries with virtual impunity

Jim Jones is selling kool aid from the grave.


33 posted on 03/04/2009 6:29:16 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Nice Graphics.Unfortunately we have No idea what the rules were prior to this engagement,Whether it was guns only or what.If this were an actual combat engagement that f-18 Growler would have been smoked before his radar even picked up the Raptors radar signature.

If it was guns only how many dog fights occurred? Not to disparage the navy pilot but he could have had just good luck or the Raptor pilot could have just screwed up en an engagement. It can and will happen. Pilots are human,they're not perfect.All the more reason to build more f-22’s then they have allotted spending for.

34 posted on 03/04/2009 6:48:45 PM PST by puppypusher (The world is going to the dogs.)
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To: Mase

Photos are very real.

The jet is an absolute marvel, nothing comes close.

Kill ratios are what they are.

Schwartz wants more jets, and while the Air Force says 381, maybe lucky if they get around 220.

Not enough but enough to count when pressed.


35 posted on 03/05/2009 11:35:00 AM PST by Hulka
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To: pissant
+1

Nothing will surprise me...

36 posted on 03/05/2009 11:35:55 AM PST by Lurking in Kansas (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Nice but not an actual kill. . .as the aircraft (F-18) was already dead well before the merge.

The F-22 was ignoring the guy because the guy was DEAD and should have exited the fight well before the merge but the guy ignored ROE and went in anyway.

No way would the F-18 get that close, or any other fighter out there, if the fight was real. F-22’s don't merge. . .why should they, they can kill from a distance and if they have to, they will close for guns and the victim won't even see them coming.

37 posted on 03/05/2009 11:40:27 AM PST by Hulka
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To: LasVegasMac

Gotta like those early fly-by-wire systems.

;-)


38 posted on 03/05/2009 11:41:51 AM PST by Hulka
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