Skip to comments.First Draft of the Neandertal Genome Sequence Released
Posted on 03/04/2009 7:00:22 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
The highly anticipated initial draft assembly of the Neandertal genome was announced at the Annual Meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) in the United States and at a European press conference.1 This genomic milestone involves approximately 3 billion bases of ancient human (Neandertal) DNA sequenced so far, which is the same amount of DNA contained in one set of human chromosomes or a single genome coverage. This is a major event in the booming scientific field referred to as paleogenomics, a discipline that studies ancient DNA and is providing exciting new evidence in support of the recent creation model.
The Neandertal DNA was obtained from bone fragments using advanced isolation techniques developed specifically to remove contamination and alleviate DNA damage associated with ancient DNA. In addition, next generation sequencing technology involving new chemistry and instrumentation was used to rapidly produce considerably more DNA sequence data per laboratory run than previous technologies.
The effort to produce an initial 3 billion bases of DNA for the Neandertal genome was led by Dr. Svaante Paabo of the Institute for Anthropology at the Max Planck Research Institute in Germany. It should be noted that future Neandertal sequencing promises to increase the accuracy of the overall DNA sequence, as well as fill in gaps found in the current rough draft sequence. All of the DNA sequence will be placed in the public domain (web-based databases) for researchers around the world to freely query, download, and analyze. In fact, researchers at ICR will be using the Neandertal DNA sequence in a variety of research projects investigating the role of the human genome in the creation model.
Evolutionists consider modern humans and Neandertals to be two distinct human species that separated from each other 35,000 to 800,000 years ago. However, within the recent creation perspective, Neandertals and modern humans are not really separate species, but represent different human gene pools in time and location.
Consistent with this idea, the genomes are proving to be quite similar. In fact, preliminary findings over the past couple of years support this interpretation, as a variety of genes have been characterized in the Neandertal genome with high similarity to modern human genes. These genes are associated with such traits as pale skin and red hair, type O blood, and high levels of linguistic and mental ability.2, 3, 4 Since evolutionary scientists considered these gene variants to be strictly associated with modern humans, it comes as no surprise that the evidence will once again force re-explanations.
The Neandertals essentially represented a unique ethnic group that is now gone due to the same factors that affect modern human populationsfactors such as migration, mutation, and interbreeding. Neandertals represent a variant genome from within the created human kind. We predict that future analysis of Neandertal DNA sequence data will add confirmation to creation, but consternation to other origins models.
So when are we going to be able to simulate DNA on a computer. Or in other words, input DNA data into a computer and have it simulate the organism defined by that DNA?
How is Helen doing after the biopsy?
Fascinating question. I don’t think anything realistic will emerge for a long time to come, as we are only just beginning to scratch the surface of the mind-boggling complexity that is life.
I predict that no matter what the future analysis is, it will be interpreted by ICR to add confirmation to creation.
Part way there now. Crime scene DNA can provide a forensic anthropologist the approximate facial characteristics, skin tone and eye and hair color.
Long ways to go to do a whole unknown organism, but that day is visible on the horizon.
Well four out of five aint bad. I'm type A+.
Go ahead, call me a Neandertal.
I predict that no matter what the future analysis is, Darwinians will condemn it as crap, because it came from a politically incorrect source.
Dr. Jeff Tomkins joins ICR as Research Associate in life sciences. Dr. Tomkins is a geneticist, recently on staff at Clemson University, where he managed a large gene sequencing laboratory. He will assist ICR in genetics research at its Dallas laboratories.
Just like wolves and coyotes really represent different canine gene pools? Or are wolves and coyotes separate species? My dog has pale skin and red hair too, but he isn't human.
Who knows, your recent coming out might land you a movie deal!
According to the creation perspective, wolves and coyotes descended from the same created kind.
PS I believe they are specifically referring to the specifically human genes for pale skin and red hair.
No matter, the fact remains that neandertal just got even more human—just as the creationists have been predicting all along.
Yes, but they are now separate species, just modern humans and Neanderthals.
So according to your "de-evolution" theory, they "de-evolved" into humans?
In other words, Dr. Tomkins speaks whereof he knows.
==Yes, but they are now separate species, just modern humans and Neanderthals.
It depends on what you mean by separate species. Wolves and coyotes are both canids and can interbreed. And given the close similarity between humans and neanderthals, it is almost certain that they could interbreed as well. In fact, if memory serves, there is some evidence that they did, in fact, interbreed.
Thanks, and it’s so true!
Read the article.
I did. Long on conclusions, short on evidence.
I guess you missed the following: “Evolutionists consider modern humans and Neandertals to be two distinct human species that separated from each other 35,000 to 800,000 years ago. However, within the recent creation perspective, Neandertals and modern humans are not really separate ‘species,’ but represent different human gene pools in time and location.”
All that says is "the creationists disagree". What's new?
Nope ~ gotta’ be TYPE O or nothin’.
Or, worse, they've said Neanderthal findings constituted forgeries or frauds on science.
Now the Young Earthers got an even worse problem because the Neanderthals were all gone more than 6,000 years ago.
Dogs and wolves are NOT separate species. They breed together quite successfully.
Would you be willing to be money on that?
It looks like the same old quibbling over taxonomy ("species" vs "kinds") to argue that they weren't really a different species, so there couldn't have been any evolution.
==Now the Young Earthers got an even worse problem because the Neanderthals were all gone more than 6,000 years ago.
You might want to take a a look at the following (especially the part about the dating methods re: neandertals):
End of story.
Different species ~ just bush meat.
Actually, if you family was close enough to hunt neandertals, they may have eaten some of their own relatives.
...could not possibly sit on this skull...
That should be obvious to anyone with the slightest sense of proportion.
Thanks for the ping!
What? A thousand dollars of FR play dough, or what? Or, is that too much pressure? Maybe we should just make it a fiver of FR play dough. And, whats the trick here? Are you counting on anyone who trashes Dr. Tomkins work to deny that there is any such animal as a Darwinian? OK, I would be five dollars of FR play dough that someone will trash Dr. Tomkins work except that someone already has (including you). Too bad, so sad.
As a strong Darwinian, I have no problem with the idea that Neanderthals and modern man were the same species, and interbred recently. I think you guys are right about that. I’ve always assumed Cro Magnon interbred with Neanderthal wherever they did not exterminate them.
I also believe that Cro-Magnon and Neanderthal are both previously undocumented migrations out of the African Rift Valley, like other modern H. sapiens that migrated to Sinai and Aden in the last 100K years.
Creationists keep attacking evolution on petty details. This suggests that the larger evolutionary picture is correct.
What DO need to be filled in — with genome discoveries — are the details of recent human evolution.
Yes, there is evidence of modern-like humans alongside Neanderthal types in Spain, 800,000 years ago. I do not know what that may mean. I understand the Neanderthals were cannibalizing the “modern” humans.
The only way you could get a forehead like the one on that face on a skull like that is if you inflated the scalp with air like a basketball.
The response format, which I haven’t yet mastered, caused me to respond to you. I meant to respond to the thread.
I want to reiterate that the suggestion that H. n. and H. s. DID intrebreed is NOT a setback, not a problem, for the Theory of Evolution. We are arguing about deck chairs here.
We should welcome conflicting evidence about the minute details of the Theory.
By all means, let us “follow the truth wherever it may lead, nor to tolerate any error so long as reason is left free to combat it.” — Thomas Jefferson
By all means, let’s look at Evolution. Let’s “follow the truth, wherever it may lead”.
I say Darwin nailed the big picture.
egad! do you realize what will happen now?!? ;’)
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Probably not ~ ya’ gotta’ draw lines somewhere!