Posted on 03/04/2009 7:16:11 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
Actually, Copernicus was a heliocentrist in the sense that he believed that the earth orbited the sun, and not vice versa. He and Galileo were persecuted for this belief by the church, the same church that today has no issue with heliocentrism. Whatever position he held regarding the solar system’s position in the universe is irrelevant.
“Which of these two points of view should enjoy federal subsidies?”
LOL! That’s really the point. Which myth should the feds subsidize as the “official creation myth” that we shall all be taught to believe?
The point is not that creationists deny transitional forms. The point is that outspoken Darwinists like Stephen J. Gould admit that the fossil record shows mainly stasis, combined with sudden, unaccountable explosions of new body plans. Gould himself rejected gradualism in favor of another untenable theory, “punctuated equilibrium” and the “colony principle”, in which small populations break away from the parent population, and come to inhabit a completely different habitat. The large population would remain stable over time, while the small one would easily show changes over time as mutations and natural selection worked their magic.
This scenario suffers from the usual shortcomings of the other Kiplingesque “Just So” stories invented by Darwinists: lack of empirical evidence, combined with internal logical absurdity. Regarding the latter, most mutations are injurious to a species, not beneficial, and small populations are fragile: a storm, an earthquake, a volcano, any big natural disaster, can wipe out a small population entirely. Additionally, while we can stretch our minds to imagine this scenario in one or two cases, the idea that punctuated equilibrium is the prime mechanism of evolution is unbelievable. Personally, I think Gould was slyly admitting to intellectual bankruptcy.
==Actually, Copernicus was a heliocentrist in the sense that he believed that the earth orbited the sun, and not vice versa.
Yes. But he also believed that the sun was at or near the center of the Universe, which places our solar system (and the earth) in a priveledged position.
==He and Galileo were persecuted for this belief by the church
You display definite gaps in your knowledge when you make such unqualified statements. I will be charitable and merely suggest you educate yourself by reading the following:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v14/i1/galileo.asp
LOL :o)
“You display definite gaps in your knowledge when you make such unqualified statements.”
I accept that as a compliment from someone who posts from AIG and CRI.
I’m not an atheist, but a devout Christian. Unfortunately, your minority Christian view chooses to define Christianity is a rather fascist way.
Read a couple more of your posts and my characterization of you may have been off a tick... still I disagree.
Honestly, though in some respects it does take all kinds.
G.
‘Splain how fascism comes in, Chachi...
(Slap fight begins).
No, it’s not. Genesis 2:7—”And Jehovah God formed man out of the dust of the ground, and blew into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.” You wanna believe that man comes from amoeba, mold, and chimpanzees, then you don’t believe Christ Himself.
Sorry—allegory.
“You wanna believe that man comes from amoeba, mold, and chimpanzees, then you don’t believe Christ Himself.”
I think you misunderstand Buck... when the Bible is simply allegory you are allowed to pick and choose what you in your infinite wisdom deem to be fact and what you believe to be fable.
By referring to me as an atheist only because I don’t subscribe to your narrowly drawn definition of Christianity. But then again, perhaps one can say that fascism is allegorical...
And don’t call me — whatever the hell that was.
If the bible is not allegorical, then you do not use the reasoning capability that God gave you, thus disappointing him greatly.
==I accept that as a compliment from someone who posts from AIG and CRI.
Don’t forget about CMI, Uncommon Descent, ARN, Discovery Institute, etc, etc.
BTW, did you read the AiG paper re: Galileo? I posted it for your edification. If nothing else, you will have a more nuanced understanding of what happened to Galileo.
“Sorry—allegory.”
I am so glad you’re on here to smugly pronounce what of the Bible is fact and what is in fact fiction.
How was it to walk with Jesus and His disciples... or was that all allegory as well?
Please! Save us the trouble of having to task God with the questions to which you already have the answers.
Good point. So what the would he say to 1 Timothy 3:16—”ALL Scripture is God-breathed”? In my limited wisdom, all means ALL.
“And don’t call me — whatever the hell that was.”
Chachi...
Alrighty then, Bubba.
It’s not a smug pronunciation at all. Do you not agree that Catholics and Episcopalians, who are fine with the allegory concept, are Christians? The real offense is the posting and subsequent defense of cartoonish pseudo-science that defies the most basic common sense and simple observation.
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