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Dorga, Snowe, McCain, Stabenow Introduce Bipartisan Prescription Drug Importation Bill
U.S. Senator John McCain, R-Arizona ^ | 2009-03-04

Posted on 03/04/2009 7:28:00 PM PST by rabscuttle385

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To: BlazingArizona

or maybe we should ban car imports. Sorry, no more Toyotas because cheaper, better cars are hurting Ford’s R&D


21 posted on 03/04/2009 11:32:38 PM PST by ari-freedom (Hail to the Dork!)
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To: Born Conservative

I take an ARB, Diovan, for my high blood pressure and it costs me over $100 to refill it.

It’s not expired in terms of its patent, so doesn’t come in generic form.

Believe me, if I could buy it cheaper, I would!!

Ed


22 posted on 03/05/2009 1:05:49 AM PST by Sir_Ed
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To: rabscuttle385

Shutting down medical research in the world.


23 posted on 03/05/2009 2:37:42 AM PST by arthurus ( H.L. Mencken said, "Every election is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen goods.")
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To: rawhide
Great news, since Rx brand drugs cost so little in other countries.

Great for your wallet right now. BUT- The American market and its patent protection are 100% of the reason that there is any medical research at all. Even foreign companies that develop new drugs do it for the American market.If we substitute foreign acquired drugs we weaken and ultimately destroy the engine of medical research. And if you think well that's okay, we are at such a high level of medicine right now, we can afford to say "thus far and no farther," well, there is the problem of antibiotics. Bacteria and viruses are living creatures and they mutate and antibiotics lose their effectiveness over time and have to be replaced. That requires expensive medical research. If a company cannot make its research expenses back with a period of monopoly patent protection, new drugs- new antibiotics- will not be produced and after a time we are back to about 1910 medically. Without effective antibiotics, every disease is far more potentially fatal and things we take for granted, like knee replacements' success will be measured by survival rates and mostly won't be done at all. Every sort of medical operation will carry a much higher fatality rate. Hospitals will truly be places to die.

24 posted on 03/05/2009 2:48:11 AM PST by arthurus ( H.L. Mencken said, "Every election is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen goods.")
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To: businessprofessor

Agree completely. There will be plenty of unintended consequences.


25 posted on 03/05/2009 5:59:15 AM PST by kabar
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To: BlazingArizona

Your analogy sucks. In this case, the drug companies will be competing against themselves.


26 posted on 03/05/2009 6:02:03 AM PST by kabar
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To: kabar
Your analogy sucks. In this case, the drug companies will be competing against themselves.

Businesses in general have the right to sell the same product for different prices in different markets. Buyers in general have the right to shop around internationally for the best deal. Pharma, and pharma alone, has the special monopoly privilege of federal legislation preventing consumers from shopping around for their products. This is what McCain's legislation, which he promoted during the campaign, would change.

Sorry, but your Kool-Aid prescription is out of refills and no longer renewable.

27 posted on 03/05/2009 6:57:16 AM PST by BlazingArizona
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Nonsense. In many cases, foreign governments are dictating prices to the drug companies if they want to sell them in their countries. If they then sell them in the US market competing against the drug manufacturers who developed them, the unintended consequence will be for the drug companies to reduce supply and to invest less money in developing new ones. I want the drug companies to be in control of their own products, not the government.

Pharma, and pharma alone, has the special monopoly privilege of federal legislation preventing consumers from shopping around for their products.

Source please. And there are reasons for such controls, which have to do with public safety.

There are plenty of US products that are cheaper overseas than they are here, mainly due to the fact that the products would not be competitive in poorer markets. I can buy a pair of Nike snearkers cheaper in Seoul than I can here. Do you think Nike would allow its dealers in Seoul to sell their sneakers here?

28 posted on 03/05/2009 7:07:55 AM PST by kabar
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To: arthurus

I understand you argument, but why do all the other countries get a price break and it is up to the American public to bear the major costs of the research and development? I do not like subsidizing the rest of the world, just so they can buy cheap Rx drugs. It seems totally unfair to me.


29 posted on 03/05/2009 8:44:58 AM PST by rawhide
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To: rawhide

If the Americans don’t do it no one will and THERE WILL BE NO MORE RESEARCH. Buy where it is legally cheapest. You should do no other, but you should also fight the legalization of buying foreign drugs. Supporting this measure is very much akin to shooting yourself in the knee with 00 buck.


30 posted on 03/05/2009 8:52:33 AM PST by arthurus ( H.L. Mencken said, "Every election is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen goods.")
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To: kabar
Foreign countries do not "dictate prices to drug companies". Single-payer countries like Canada simply buy large quantities of drugs at once. They choose not to buy if they don't like the price, just as I do when I buy bulk toilet paper at Walmart. Market forces being what they are, drug companies sell for less to these bulk buyers, just like any other business. Nobody is being "dictated to" here, except for the American consumer, who has to bend over and accept a monopoly high price for prescriptions.

I can buy a pair of Nike sneakers cheaper in Seoul than I can here. Do you think Nike would allow its dealers in Seoul to sell their sneakers here?

The only leverage Nike, or any other company has when it sells cheaper overseas is threatening to cancel its contract with the foreign customer if it sells out of its designated region. The US government does nothing to enforce the arrangement. But because the Internet acts as the great disintermediator, smoothing markets for goods all over the world, such arrangements are notoriously 'leaky'. An American (or other) consumer can always find some place willing to sell at the lowest price. The result is that American consumers enjoy the lowest prices in the world for most consumer goods, including those produced overseas. Asian electronics, cars, and cameras sell for less in the US than they do in their own countries. Such is the power of the marketplace.

Pharma sales are the exception: US law explicitly forbids shopping around by consumers, which is precisely why McCain is trying to get drug importation legalized. If pharma weren't a special case, there would be no need for this bill. And "public safety", my rosy pink butt. Since we're talking about the FDA-approved real thing here, not knockoffs, there is no differential in safety.

31 posted on 03/05/2009 5:35:57 PM PST by BlazingArizona
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To: BlazingArizona
Foreign countries do not "dictate prices to drug companies". Single-payer countries like Canada simply buy large quantities of drugs at once. They choose not to buy if they don't like the price, just as I do when I buy bulk toilet paper at Walmart. Market forces being what they are, drug companies sell for less to these bulk buyers, just like any other business. Nobody is being "dictated to" here, except for the American consumer, who has to bend over and accept a monopoly high price for prescriptions.

You seem to have some idealized view of how international trade works. FYI: We are not playing on an even playing field. Foreign governments are manipulating currencies and subsidizing exports to make them more attractive to the American consumer. And they use various ways of making imports from the US more expensive and less attractive to their own consumers. It is why we have such huge trade deficits with these countries.

Negotiated Prices. But what about the market power that governments and quasi-governmental entities in Canada and the United States exercise by bulk buying? In the United States, for example, the Department of Veterans Affairs, buying on behalf of veterans, pays the lowest prices. State Medicaid programs, acting on behalf of their enrollees, typically pay the next lowest. If we allow the V.A. and Medicaid to use their clout to get discounts, how can we complain if the Canadian government chooses to bargain for lower prices on behalf of its own citizens?

The answer is that when Canada "bargains" with Pfizer or Eli Lilly it implicitly threatens to ignore the American companies' intellectual property rights. For example, if "negotiations" break down and the American company refuses to sell at the price Canada is asking, Canada reserves the right to ignore the drug patent and allow its domestic firms to produce a generic equivalent - a procedure called "compulsory licensing." In effect Canada says: Give us your drugs at a price we dictate or we'll ignore your patent and produce them ourselves.

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The result is that American consumers enjoy the lowest prices in the world for most consumer goods, including those produced overseas. Asian electronics, cars, and cameras sell for less in the US than they do in their own countries. Such is the power of the marketplace.

LOL. First, taxes have alot to do with the price of consumer goods abroad, e.g., VAT, excise, etc. It is why gasoline is so much more expensive in Europe for example and cheaper in China.

There are plenty of places around the globe that have cheaper prices for consumer goods, e.g., Dubai, Honk Kong, etc.

Pharma sales are the exception: US law explicitly forbids shopping around by consumers, which is precisely why McCain is trying to get drug importation legalized. If pharma weren't a special case, there would be no need for this bill. And "public safety", my rosy pink butt. Since we're talking about the FDA-approved real thing here, not knockoffs, there is no differential in safety.

You should read the link I provided you on the situation in Canada. Should such a law pass, our drug companies would have to ramp up the production of brand name drugs for export so that they could be resold back to us at cheaper prices. Such a solution would hurt our drug industry and development of new drugs. There are also intellectual property and patent issues.

32 posted on 03/06/2009 7:04:43 AM PST by kabar
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