Skip to comments.Caught on Tape: Police Beating Teen Girl
Posted on 03/05/2009 5:24:15 AM PST by RobinMasters
Perhaps youve seen the video of the King County, Wash., sheriffs deputy dishing out a bit of the rough stuff on a 15-year-old girl. At 3:45 a.m. last November 29, the girl was arrested while riding as a passenger in her parents car, which had been reported stolen to police. The video shows Deputy Paul Schene, 31, and a second deputy escorting the girl into a holding cell. The girl, apparently at Schenes request, takes off one of her shoes and, apparently not at Schenes request, kicks it at him, striking him in the shin with it.
It seems fair to say that at that point Deputy Schene
lost it. The video shows him charging into the cell and striking the girl, then shoving her against the back wall before throwing her to the floor. After handcuffing her, he picks her up and takes her out of the cell while holding her by the hair. A detective who later reviewed the video reported the incident, and Schene was charged in King County District Court with misdemeanor assault. He has pleaded not guilty.
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One either is a professional or is not one. I understand completely the impulse but he knew what he was doing and he knew there was a camera running and he knew she was fifteen. I hope he can avoid jail time but I think his career is over.
That video is RAW stuff. The cop will do jail time, and deservedly so.
I’m glade he knows how to act like an adult. Had those emotions under control didn’t he. This guy needs to be fired and put in a cell with someone bigger than him so he can get a little of what he dished out. Tough guy with a gun won’t be so tough in jail. I got a better idea send him to Afganistan with a marine expidition group, see how much of a tough guy he will be then.
I hope they throw the book at him!
“charged in King County District Court with misdemeanor assault” ????
How about felony assualt.
Beating up on a 15 year old girl, eh? What a punk. Probably watched Dirty Harry too many times. He really shower her, eh?
Then they, of course, charge him with a misdemeanor when they would charge a felony if the girl’s brother or Dad did the exact same thing. Typical.
Bad cop. Needs to go.
"Schene had previously been in the news in 2006 after he fatally shot Pedro Jo, a mentally ill man, during a struggle after a traffic stop on Interstate 5. It was the second officer-involved shooting of his career...An inquest jury ruled the shooting was justified....
"...Shortly after the shooting while on administrative leave, Schene was stopped for driving under the influence...He had been drinking and taking prescription medication, according to court records. He received a deferred sentence and was placed on probation, records show.
Excellent, Joe. These things never happen in a vacuum. They should have fired this officer a while ago.
Sorry, doesn't meet the criteria.
If he had used a weapon it would have been a felony. Since he didn't use a weapon and didn't inflict any serious injury, it's misdemeanor.
I have personally been threatened, almost assaulted, by a police officer. It was unprovoked and he was totally out of line. I am convinced that he only reason he didn't totally lose it was because MY conduct diffused the situation. It was an intense situation and he probably was having a bad day, but had I provoked him in the slightest way (like kicking a shoe at him), I would have accepted that I probably deserved what ever he decided to dish out.
The officer was attacked by a snotty nosed little brat and was subdued. She instigated it and suffered the results of her actions.
There was no excessive force in this video. The officer was assaulted and used reasonable force (given the adrenaline in the situation) to restrain the girl from further attacks. Little doubt in my mind that had she gotten away with her initial assault, she would have escalated it - perhaps not on this evening, but in the next time she is taken in, and then probably the next time she is apprehended.
We, as a society, in our quest for gentleness and understanding have become the most violent and most incarcerated society that our world has ever seen. Those who allow the kinds of behaviors this girl exhibited to go gently and understandingly unpunished are enablers.
Yes, the girl probably got a few bruises and maybe even a bloody nose. Unfortunately, it will probably not be a teaching moment. Probably passed is the opportunity for her to learn that it was HER instigating that caused him to respond.
Being a police officer or a soldier is packed full of emotion, adrenaline, and responsibility - to an extent that those of us who have never worn a badge or a dog tag can conceive. The officer deserves discipline (as a consequence of his actions), but criminal? Hardly. And to propose so only invites anarchy. (Just ask New York citizens if they care to return to the days when New York's finest had their hands tied. The ‘70’s there were about as close to anarchy as this country has seen - present day mexican border states obviously the exception. But wait, we've hamstrung our border officers there too. Hmmmmm...
Fixed it for you
Yep....a cop who has been arrested for driving while taking prescriptions and alcohol keeps his job and gets probation, while (on another thread) a Marine who gets counseling for PTSD can’t get a handgun permit in Omaha.
Stupid brat steals her parents car, then assaults a police officer?? Sorry, but a little hair pulling and being roughly handcuffed seems like she got off easy in my book.
Our officers put their lives on the line and sacrifice so much and what do we do? We pat them on the back and say, “Now rush right out there and handle the verbal abuse, or insults and all the other crap.”
The compassion we have for criminals, and not for our officers of the law has an unintended result. The evidence is astoundingly overwhelming. Where do we have the most problems with crime? In those places where the officers are most in fear of what will happen if they meet force with force. We've confused compassion with enabling and we are not dealing with the consequences as a country.
And you didn't intend to do so, but you disproved your point admirably. You should NOT have CPS come knocking... You should NOT go to jail, lose your wages, lose your job, get sued... And neither should the “cop”.
(And for the record, I must prefer the term “officer of the law” rather than the term “cop” (or “copper” as the term evolved) which has in its roots a subtle disdain for the profession. I have no such disdain, only respect for the admirable job that these guys do day in and day out.
He deserves to go to jail period...He is a disgrace to the law enforcement profession. Also, if any average citizen was caught driving under the influence...we would have already been prosecuted...special rules for bad cops...get rid of him and jail him for assault.
Yep, a police officer must never use force. They must stand there and take every “verbal abuse, or insults and all the other crap”. Keep drawing the line further and further against the police and what will you get? Detroit, Washington DC, Philadelphia, New Orleans.
Yep, let the criminals be in charge. Let them be able to push the envelop so that you and all the liberal judges and sit in your ivory tower chairs, and point fingers from the safety of your little suburban enclaves. These men put their lives on the line and deserve better than you letting this brat kick her shoe at him. Next time she spits on him. The time after that? Where do you draw the line from your safe little cubicle or kitchen table where you've never had to deal with the ilk that our officers do every day.
I believe in law and order. The law? Supreme. The order? Well, welcome to the real world. Sometimes keeping order requires a few bruises and bloody noses. When you've been in the position of being spit on and called every name in the book (and some that aren't allowed to be in the book), then please voice your opinion.
Most officers will agree that he should be disciplined. My contention is that he should be treated as a criminal - a felonious criminal at that. And that he should do jail time. Come on, half the population would have lost their right to vote if we were all criminals who had every tackled someone, pushed someone down, or been in a fist fight.
RE: “Yes, the girl probably got a few bruises and maybe even a bloody nose. Unfortunately, it will probably not be a teaching moment.”
Your defense of violence sickens me. Did your dad ‘teach’ you a lot ?
And you are proposing jail time for a misdemeanor?
And regarding the prosecution for the DUI. The incident was procecuted, though not to your satisfaction apparently. Under the current laws, past convictions for unrelated crimes cannot be used in prosecuting a case, only in sentencing. But since you can obviously pass judgment from viewing 30 seconds of a video (not knowing what was said or what preceded the video or the extent of the injuries), it's easy to see how easily you are able to suspend the rules of law and pass judgment before a perponderance of ALL the evidence.
And as much as you probably won't like this fact, there are special rules for “cops”, not just the bad ones, but the good ones too. They have a special job which requires special rules. But those should be suspended as well - all on the emotion of a 30 second video.
So the next time you encounter an officer of the law, please rather than thanking him for putting his life on the line every single day he reports, please walk up to him and remind them that they should expect to “handle the verbal abuse, or insults and all the other crap” that you've decided should be the normal course of their job. He or she will certainly exhibit more restraint that they should respectfully have to endure from your type.
Yes, he taught me great things. Thank you for asking. :)
I never said anything like that .I've seen videos of people getting tazed and beaten and I've cheered the officer ,when it's appropriate.
When you've been in the position of being spit on and called every name in the book (and some that aren't allowed to be in the book), then please voice your opinion.
OK I will I've never been an officer but I have worked with the public and anyone who has worked with the public will eventually run into an A$$hole like this girl and guess what ? As much as I would have liked to I never beat the crap out of a customer. It's part of being an adult ...Call it self control ...everyone should try it.
What this officer did is completely inappropriate and I'm not going to give him a pass
She assaulted the corrections officer. He is unarmed and needed to subdue the perp. I bet she won’t try and assault any other officer again. Nothing here... move on.
Do you enjoy ‘teaching’ 15 year old girls with your fists ? It looks pretty easy (if you’re a violent and impulsive coward).
RE: “She assaulted the corrections officer. He is unarmed and needed to subdue the perp. I bet she wont try and assault any other officer again. Nothing here... move on.”
Anyone that can watch the vid and come to that conclusion is out of their mind.
As some here, evidently, are.
Some on FR will defend a LEO no matter what. The most egregious violations of civil liberties and common decency are applauded if committed by a LEO.
Any adult male who beats up a 15 year-old girl is the lowest form a cowardly vomitous scum. Badge or not.
I hope he gets put into a cell with some big, angry, smelly gansta' he helped put away.
Legally, that’s what she did. The center may have a “zero tolerence” policy for inmates attacking officers. Who knows? I bet she won’t do it again.
RE: “Legally, thats what she did”
We’ll see how well that sells in court.
There are two cliches that come to mind, one accurate the other complete wisdom...
“Sticks & stones...” Untrue. Words can injure for a lifetime. Sometimes more brutal than many forms of physical violence.
“Consider the source.” And I shall apply that wisdom here. :)
Sorry... I don’t make the rules.
Just takin’ care of their own.
Under normal circumstances I would agree, but this girl had been frisked, and she was much smaller than him. She wouldn’t be a legitimate threat even if she had a non-bullet weapon. Does this cop lack that much confidence?
And then he twice slammed his fist into the back of her head just to be on the safe side.
We've got people here convicting the officer of a felony (which it was not) knowing only what's on a silent video. Lord, I pray none of these people are ever on a jury ready to convict based on 30 second, non-contextual b&w video.
The officer forcibly restrained her. No one here has established the extent of the injuries or what transpired before or after the video, or the “rules of engagement” for the facility. The officer's response was over in less than 5 seconds. That hardly qualifies as a felonious or premeditated assault. Police officers make thousands of split second decisions a year.
I have no doubt that you “work with the public” and that you will “eventually run into an A$$hol”. But with all due respect, if you had 5-10 “A$$hol” incidents every shift that you work, 5 days a week, 365 1/4 days a year? Well, I think that officers have an impossible standard to uphold.
Had this officer broken bones, drawn blood, caused a concussion or pulled out a stick or gun to beat the girl mercilessly, then we would have a different conversation. Like you said with the taser, the issue is where we draw the line. The way I see it, the officer responded aggressively, but I cannot see anything that caused sustained or great bodily harm.
You saw that? Amazing. Guess you’ve never seen different things from different angles in an NFL replay. You ***think*** you saw a fist to the back of the head. It’s a grainy, b&w video.
What were the injuries sustained? Jumping to conclusions people. Ahhhhh... convicting without all the evidence. Nice.
We will never know since the paramedics took it upon themselves to decide the injuries were not sufficient to seek medical attention. I know a fist slam when I see one.
Yeah, I know what you mean. I’m convinced of everything that I observe in Al Gore & Michael Moore’s videos too. ;)
The Sheriff's Office is reviewing Schene's report and the report of the second deputy, Travis Brunner, as part of the internal investigation that could result in discipline, a spokesman said Monday.
Brunner and Schene's reports both said the shoe struck Schene in the right shin, causing "bruising, bleeding and pain."
Move on? Haven't you heard, fedgov has Deputy Paul Schene in its sights. He could face years in Federal prison:
Department of Justice investigating sheriff's deputy in jail cell videotape
Mar 3, 2009
The videotape of a King County sheriff's deputy roughing up a 15-year-old girl in a holding cell has caught the attention of the Department of Justice, which "is definitely looking into the matter," according to Assistant U.S. Attorney Kelly Harris, who heads the local office's civil-rights division.
So if this officer had decided to rape and kill her because she accidentally hit him the the shin with her sneaker you would be a-ok with it huh?
You are a sheep. Just because someone has a badge and a gun doesn't mean you should respect them or even do as they say necessarily. Certainly that is the easy way, but the Jews who died in the gas chambers obeyed orders too. Look what it got them.
We can't allow officers to do whatever they want just because they have a badge and a gun. If we do, they will conclude, rightly, that they are above the law and can abuse anyone they want for any reason or no reason. When that happens, the police become more of a danger to innocent people than the criminals they are supposed to protect us from. Sheep are victims. Don't be a victim.
“Ah, name calling and verbally assaulting behavior from behind the safety and anonymity of the Internet.”
Who did this ? It certainly wasn’t me. Although it was very tempting.
It’s funny how even though I didn’t do either of these, you’re crying about it. Especially considering the thread we’re in. It’s downright hilarious.
I know there are a lot of people here who jump to the defense of police officers and members of the military no matter what they do and I understand people in those jobs have very difficult jobs and that they are human. But protecting bad police officers and bad members of the military just because of what they do is doing exactly what unions do when they protect bad employees from legitimate employer action and defending the indefensible only undermines one’s credibility and those entire professions. Even if they should be given some slack, that doens’t put them above the law, nor should it.
lol, are you serious? Please tell me you are a little girl, because I can't believe a grown up could believe something so ridiculous.
re: “Sorry... I dont make the rules.”
And fortunately you don’t get to provide any binding legal interpretation of them either.
98 percent of the time I would be on the side of the officer. Not this time. That treatment of her was brutal and there was no reason for it. Also where was the female officers? Unless things have changed or I am ignorant of the booking process, I thought there was supposed to be one present when females were taken custody, done so to protect the male officers from being accused of something falsely.
Man, that police officer must have skin made out of toilet paper if a sneaker to the shin caused him to bleed.
There are times and people and circumstances where the reaction of the officer would be justified.
I think getting her up against the wall and cuffing her would have been fine. Probably enough to scare her and stop her rebelling.
I think the level he went to was acceptable for people actually fighting back, or adopting a fighting stance, or at a higher level of disobedience.
Given this particular officers’ history, it appears he has problems determining what acceptable levels of force are given certain situations.