Skip to comments.Beware the new axis of evangelicals and Islamists
Posted on 03/05/2009 3:33:44 PM PST by Parmenio
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Are any US evangelicals coming out against Israel? Outside of the mainline legacy denominations I mean. I haven't heard of any.
Please don’t refer to pro-Islam religionists as Evangelical Christians.
Biblical Christians support Israel.
I am watching very carefully for some kind of christo/mohammadan merger. All that is standing in the way is Christian insistence on the divinity of Christ.
I was in the car last night and National People’s Radio devoted a whole hour to debunking the Jesus “myth”.
sounds like leftist so-called christians like the ucc and the episcopalians
Many anti-freedom, anti-truth, anti-individual, anti-life collectives and individuals will join forces.
WORDS & DEEDS BUMP!
I didn’t refer to them that way. The author of the article did.
How can you be a Christian and not support Israel?
Why? Because Christianity is not anti countries or ethnic groups.
Christians, that have a brain, WILL respectfully tell people that hold beliefs opposite to their own why they think they are wrong.
How can you be a Christian and not support Israel?
Outside of the drug-induced hallucinations of radical leftists, no.
I can see yer white hat.
I’m after the statements of the author of the article. Any damage to you was only collateral and not intended:).
“Are any US evangelicals coming out against Israel?”
If they were, I would not consider them to be evangelicals. Or Christians.
“15 Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
21”Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’”—Matthew 7
This shows again why the term "Evangelical" is so broad as to be essentially meaningless. When whackjob liberal Presbyterians and Anglicans can be called "Evangelicals", the term has run its course and needs to be put to bed.
IIRC, there is some "latent" anti-Israelism/anti-Zionism in some quarters even of conservative American Christianity, mostly groups holding to amillenial eschatology and related heresies who believe (in some form or fashion) that "the Church" IS Israel, which would obviously make Israel NOT Israel....if that made sense.
Simply, no. At least not any more so than you could find people who practice satanism or other scatterred loonie nut-jobs of no social or numerical significance. The author of the piece referring to some so-called "profound split" is ridiculous. I suspect there may be some agenda here in trying to drive a deeper wedge between Jews and evangelical Christians.
Did you mean “descendants”?
Christians who hate Jews are the same type that love abortion and homosexuality—Either seriously misguided or false, like Obama’s spiritual leader Rev. Wright. I certainly wouldn’t call Jew-hating so-called Christians “evangelical.”
Shalom, and Amen.
***Please dont refer to pro-Islam religionists as Evangelical Christians.
Biblical Christians support Israel***
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Only massively idiotic, Biblically illiterate libs think that you can be anti-Israel AND Evangelical.
(The same brain-frieded who are always quoting the book of Revelation”S”).
1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
2 We hanged our harps upon the willows in the midst thereof.
3 For there they that carried us away captive required of us a song; and they that wasted us required of us mirth, saying, Sing us one of the songs of Zion.
4 How shall we sing the LORD's song in a strange land?
5 If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand forget her cunning.
6 If I do not remember thee, let my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth; if I prefer not Jerusalem above my chief joy.
7 Remember, O LORD, the children of Edom in the day of Jerusalem; who said, Rase it, rase it, even to the foundation thereof.
8 O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us.
9 Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.
These fools must be holding their Bibles upside-down.
“Christians who hate Jews are the same type that love abortion and homosexuality”
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This doesn’t surprise me. NAZI Germany had three SS divisions made up of and commanded by muslims. They worked in the Balkins on the final solution and most Arab leaders after the war had direct ties to these SS troops.
There must be 8 or so of these people in the world.
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Jimmy Carter hanging with Islamists isn't new.
The Spectator uses the term "Evangelical" in a way that that is NOT the equivalent of "Evangelical" in America. The Anglican Church, or Church of England, would be considered a "Mainline" or "establishment" church in the US.
This article seems intent on casting aspersions on Evangelicals, who, with the exception of some like Jim Wallis, are supporters of Israel
FYI, there is an evangelical movement in the Church of England.
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God bless, brother.
Every child knows that the Jews will once again gather in their promised land (Israel) and that God himself will protect them against the aggressors. This is neither radical nor evangelical. It is what is written in the Bible, the Torah, the Word of God.
If Christians are railing against Israel and against the perseverance of the Jewish state, they have not read their instruction book. They are denying the Word of God. So what instruction book are they reading?
If anyone is a true Christian, and they don’t support Israel, they are in for a very rude awakening. And I don’t think God’s averse to knocking them upside the head to accomplish that awakening.
There are many strong messages in the Bible, but one of the main lessons is PROTECT MY ISRAEL. And God will protect you.
Christians have no excuse for not being Zionists. None.
Yes of course. Sorry.
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marked to read tomorrow, so i can sleep tonight. this could get me agitated me thinks
Sounds to me like that these people are more like neo-Nazi white supremacists rather than Christians.
And I don't see how anyone calling himself or herself a Christian can be "anti-Israel" considering Christianity's close historical and theological ties to Judaism.
This just does not pass the smell test.
So they find one whacko in England and call that a Evangelical-Islamic alliance.
IMHO, this is a typical liberal MO...making up an alliancce out of an obscure event so they can paint the whole with the same brush.
In the UK, the popular definition of “evangelical” is broader than in the USA. Evangelical can be used about anyone who accepts the literal resurrection of Christ, and the other general creedal truths of the bible.
C. S. Lewis for example was in England considered very evangelical—though he did not accept the inerrancy of scripture. (Lewis had a very high view of scripture, but still not what the American understanding of evangelical requires).
Personally I think one must be careful about this article, as the author seems to have an axe to grind. One need not be a blind fanatical supporter of Israel for-Christian-prophecy reasons (the perception of many of what so-called “Christian Zionists” are about) to support Israel, the only real democracy—and civilized country—in the Middle East.
I heard Bishop Nazir-Ali—a key anti-Islamist mentioned in the article—speak at a conference recently, and his main point was that the reason immigrants in the UK (and Europe in general) are so isolated culturally from the Europeans, is in a large measure due to the un-Christian (or really post-Christian) lack of acceptance and bigotry they’ve faced over the last 40 years—coincidentally exactly when Britain turned its back on the Christian faith.
Islamic immigration in Europe is in marked contrast to Hispanic immigrants in America—where typically in one generation, or maybe 2, they fully know the language, and (although there are way too many illegals!) actually do integrate into our society. In Europe, with Muslim immigrants, this is not the case.
If evangelicals in the UK can win Muslims to faith in Christ (instead of fighting to force them out of the country) why is that a bad thing?
Religions driving politics will result in continued death and destruction.
I beg to differ. Some 80% of the population of modern-day Israel are agnostics or atheists. Their religiosity (and liberal politics, btw) is not much different than Europe, or the most secular parts of the USA.
I'm a big supporter of Israel--as it is the only independently democratic--and fully civilized--country in the Middle East. But should I support them merely (or mainly?) because most of them have a Jewish heritage? Should I support them, be they right or wrong, out of fear of being cursed by God, or somehow to quicken the 2nd Coming of Jesus? I think that kind of support verges on religious superstition, not a wise evaluation of the actual nation on the ground.
The nation-state of Israel today, should not be confused with the ancient theocracy of the Kingdom of David from 1000 BC.
Support Israel today? Yes, but hold them to the same standards as any other country on earth, not as some mystical favored (or spoiled?) child of God--particularly when the landslide of the population is irreligious.
Yes, I am an evangelical Christian--and scripture teaches--a spritual descendant and heir of Abraham. Please, however, do not call me a "Christian Zionist," only a Christian; as no follower of Christ should have divided loyalties.
Thank you for this information. It clears up some questions I had.
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God bless you too Sister!
You don't believe we do that? Please give an example of what you're talking about please.
About 6 years ago, I had the bad luck of being in a situation of having to listen to an America guy, supposedly an evangelical go after Bush, Republicans and wanting the destruction of Israel for a few minutes.
He and his wife were from N Wisconsin/ S Minnesota and now live in Medford/Ashland, Or. area. They were members of some so called born again evangelical group back in the mid west and SW Oregon. I never found out which group as I got the hell away from him.
He had been a spec op in the Nam era, serving in Laos. He now hates the American Military about as much as he hates Israel’s existance.
The guy and his wife changed personalities in seconds and went into their above hatreds.
Reading your post reminds me that most US Jews feel the same way you do, thus their voting behavior.
Very self destructive.
Nice roundup, and it only took the surrender monkey 6 weeks.
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