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Posted on 03/05/2009 6:57:01 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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One of the best thing a person can learn is that they’re not as smart as they think they are. Another great thing to learn is that your own notion of what God is doesn’t always compare to how He’s revealed Himself.
“So your God is incapable of doing anything He wants?”
First of all. That wasn’t what was put forth. “He wants” wasn’t represented in that statement AT ALL. Secondly, as for the possibility of there being things God cannot do, consider His Word.
Tts 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
Num 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
It’s a fallacy, having no meaning, and cannot be answered in a quick yes or no because the question doesn’t make any sense.
looks that way. He was a known retread troll from what I understand.
Does retread mean someone who was banned before but came up with a new name?
Like I said in an earlier post. His comments must have been really stupid if his got pulled and dan’s got left. Did jay get banned?
I don’t know the details but yes a retread is somone who has been banned before.
It looks like he has been “disappeared”.
You’re being ‘trapped’ in an assinine childish arguement that assumes to maintain that God can not exist, and hwich tries to, but fails to ridicule Christians- however, little does the one making hte ‘argument’ realize how silly their ‘argument’ is:
They said So your God is incapable of doing anything He wants?
Had they bothered to actually investigate their silly ‘argument’ further, instead orf puffing htemselves up as though they had stumbled upon some brilliant argument against Christianity, they would have discovered how amateurish their ‘arguement’ really was- note the following:
[[The topic of omnipotence (the ability of God to do anything, i.e., God is all-powerful) is frequently cited by atheists as proof that the God of the Bible cannot exist. The claim has been made that if there is anything that God cannot do, then God cannot be omnipotent and, therefore, does not exist.]]
[[The word “omnipotent” is never used in the Bible, but has been inferred primarily by one of God’s Hebrew titles, “Shadday,” which is most often translated “almighty.”1 However, the Bible never claims that God can do all things. In fact, the Bible makes a point that there are things that God cannot do. The Bible says that God cannot commit sin.2 God cannot lie.3 Therefore, biblical omnipotence does not mean that God can do all things. God cannot do anything that is contrary to His holy character. However, God can do anything that He determines to do. This is a true meaning of omnipotence - the ability to do anything that one sets out to do.]]
[[Some of the arguments against omnipotence are plain silly and stupid. Can God create a spherical triangle? Saying that omnipotence requires the ability to do logically impossible things is stupid. God cannot turn truth into a lie. If humans define a triangle as a two dimensional object formed by the intersection of three lines, it makes no sense to ask if God could make one that was spherical. When one says that God is all-powerful, one means that God is able to accomplish all that He desires to do. Even an all-powerful being cannot do what is impossible by definition. God can do many things that are humanly impossible. However, there are some things that even an all-powerful being cannot do.
Can God create a rock He cannot lift? Since an all-powerful being will always be able to accomplish whatever He sets out to do, it is impossible for an all-powerful being to fail. The above atheistic argument is arguing that since God is all-powerful He can do anything - even fail. This is like saying that since God is all-powerful He can be not all-powerful. Obviously, this is absurd. An all-powerful being cannot fail. Therefore, God can create a rock of tremendous size, but, since He is all-powerful, He will always be able to lift it. The ability to fail is not a part of omnipotence. The Bible makes it clear that God is able to do anything He wants to, and that nothing He wants to do is too difficult for Him to accomplish.4 This is the true meaning of omnipotence.
Could God think of a time when He was not omnipotent? If He can’t think of it, He isn’t omnipotent, but if He does think of it then there was a time when He wasn’t omnipotent? This question is quite similar to the rock question above. The answer, of course, is that God can never think of a time when He wasn’t omnipotent. God has always been omnipotent. His inability to contradict His divine character does not mean that He isn’t omnipotent.]]
[[The atheist distorts the biblical definition of omnipotence in order to “prove” that God cannot exist. Contrary to their claims, omnipotence does not include the ability to do things that are, by definition, impossible. Neither does omnipotence include the ability to fail. By defining omnipotence as requiring one to have the ability to fail, atheists have defined omnipotence as being impossible. Of course, an omnipotent God would never fail.
These kinds of arguments are clearly illogical and even silly, although they are commonly used by inexperienced atheists. Most intelligent atheists have dropped these kinds of arguments long ago.]] http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/rock.html
Exactly the point I was making to the now banned poster!
You did a much better job of it, well done!
I am totally amazed by the hateful attitude of the *Christians* lately, and the way they constantly *pile-on* those who have a different view. You all would do well to remember the demands of Our God when He tells us how we are to treat others. You’re not being very good stewards in showing His loving nature and His forgiving attitude.
Finally, a voice of reason ! AND good manners.
to you- You have a different view of how to fight the enemy- that’s fine- Noone is being ‘hateful’- exposing hypocrisy, intentional deceit, and constant maligning of Christians is NOT being hateful- Christians do NOT have to simply cower in fear when assaulted simply because we are Christians- When assaulted, we ARE allowed to defend ourselves- and yes, even vigorously against htose whos only intention is to malign and ridicule those who try to bring hte truth. We do NOT have to be doormats to these people- The spirit listeth where it will, and htose slated to become Christians WILL become Christians as they were predestined to be- those who will NOT accept Christ and are NOT predestined to become Christians do NOT have cart blanc rights to trample over those of us who do present hte truth-
But thanks for weighing in and ‘chastizing’ people of Christ for all to see-
But evos get a free pass because they don’t have a belief system which puts moral demands on them? (at the very least the evos which make no claim to being Christians). Or only the atheist evos?
I would presume that your comment applies to all those evos who claim Christians as well, including those, for example, whose posting history might for the last couple years consist almost completely of mocking, ridiculing, and generally disparaging Christians who disagree with him?
[[Exactly the point I was making to the now banned poster!]]
You’re welcome- sick and tired of people posting false claims like he did when it’s obvious they either really have no idea what they are spewing, or they do, and simply want to deceive others. There is another site which more expertly describes this exact point- Omnipotent does NOT mean ‘capable of everything’, so their false acusation about there being ‘no God’ because God can’t do certain things falls flat on it’s face and simply makes them look quite silly- but apparently they don’t care because they keep bringing it up again in new threads as though perhaps we might have forgotten how we defeated their argument in the past- not so!
[[I would presume that your comment applies to all those evos who claim Christians as well, including those, for example, whose posting history might for the last couple years consist almost completely of mocking, ridiculing, and generally disparaging Christians who disagree with him?]]
Somehow I don’t think so- His comment I’m sure was meant to ‘chastize’ those who are Christians, but have a different battle plan than he does- apparently, pacifism is the only acceptable battle plan to some. Noone will ever be lost by anythign we do! Not one single person will end up in hell because of anythign we do, but even htough we are presenting coutnerevidences and coutnerarguments FAR more graciously than we get in return, apparently, we need a ‘good scolding’ when we expose the evil being perpetrated against us? Exposaing the FACT that there are those people here whos only intention is to remain blind, and try to make sure that others do as well via ridiculing and mocking those who try to bring hte TRUTH.
There perhaps may be a time for pacifism, however, there is also a time to call to arms those of strength when it becoems apparent that the enemy is parading around in sheeps clothing intentionally trying to deceive others.
Did all of this guys posts get pulled?I've heard it called getting 'nuked'.
LOL. Beautiful response.I think it was a line from a movie.
Yet it's ok for you to trample over their beliefs because you believe you are right and they are wrong...I see...shall I bow to your godliness?
ooooh- grea5t comeback- not- have a nice day- obviously only you are right and 3everyone else is ungodly- adios!@
Well I remember where a character said, “Silence village idiot!”
I have no argument with you here, FRiend Fichori, rather that I agree with you. I just could not leave these points untested. [excerpt]Thank you, excellent points!
Before I end htis- let me ask you this Trussel- Did Jesus, when confronting obvious fakes, obvious wolves in sheeps clothing, which He instructed us to beware of, stop and worry about ‘trampling their beliefs’? NO! He did not- He called it just like He saw it! He called them snakes and vipers- full of poison! He didn’t hold back for fear they might be ‘offended’. So stop being so melodramatic- those swingign hte sword aren’t as defenseless as you make htem out to be, and I would venture to guess, that when faced with confronting sin in a child, you would NOT simply not do so for fear of ‘offending hteir delicate sensibilities’.
No- I am not Godly- not even close- I DO have many shortcomings- but confronting obvious evil isn’t one of htem! Those calli ng Christians ignornat, Creationism ‘psuedoscience’, and constantly ridiculing and maligning God’s people are to be confronted- NOT placated and given cart blanc free reign to do as they please so as ‘not to offend their’ apparent ‘delicate sensibilities’- Again- Christ told us to beware people liek this- those with hte forked toungues who INTENTIONALLY try to decieve, and who have nothign but contempt for God’s true family. They can claim they are Christians al lthey like, but their vitriol (something you apparently have no problem enduring without rasing any defense against) betray their claims!
You can try to paint TRUTH as ‘hateful’ all you like, but it woudl be UNCARING to let such vitriol from these folks go unanswered and uncontested for fear of hurting hteir apparent hypersensitive feelings
“Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying: These people draw near to Me with their mouth, and honor Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.”
“Then His disciples came and said to Him, “Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?” But He answered and said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted. Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.”
“And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers’ money, and overthrew the tables” -John 2:15
“O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.” -Matthew 12:34
“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels” -Matthew 25:41
Mt. 10:34-36 Think not that I am come to send peace on the earth; I came not to send peace, but a sword. 35. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36. And a mans foes shall be they of his own household.
InMt. 11:21-24 Jesus rebuked severely, and bitterly, the people of the cities of Chorazin, Bethsaida, and Capernaum, when he pronounced Woe upon them.
In Mt. 12:33-37 Jesus Rebukes the people who were Pharisees, the church people of that day, with words that you would find very objectionable today, when Jesus called them Vipers, (snakes) and that they are Evil, then proceeded to tell them why they were evil.
In Mt. 12:38-39 Jesus calls the Scribes that he is speaking to, Evil, and Adulterous people.
In Mt. 15:1-9 and Mk 7:1-13 Jesus calls the Scribes and Pharisees Hypocrites who are teaching wrong man made doctrines.
In Mt. 16:4 Jesus tells the Pharisees and Sadducees that they are Wicked and Adulterous
In Mt. 16:6-11 Jesus warns the Apostles to look out for and to stay away from the false Doctrines being taught by the Pharisees and Sadducees.
You’re ‘totally amazed’ at the ‘hateful’ exposings posted in this thread? Oh well!
Trampling over another's beliefs? Like litigating it out of the schools as creation has been?
It works both ways.
Evos say that Christians can be evolutionists too, and insist that creationists accept that, yet they dont accept that Christians can be creationists. Creationists are constantly maligned by evos who claim to be Christians with pejoratives such as *creatard*, *cretoid*, *IDiot*, *ignorant*, *stupid*, etc.
They argue against creationists who say that God did it as He said He did in the Bible (why does God have to do it the creationist way?), and yet insist that God had to do it THEIR way (evolution).
The double standard is appalling.
I've been over at DC on occasion and seen the attitude of those who claim to be Christians and believe in evolution and what they've had to say about the creationists who post on FR. I'd say it was rather *piled on*. Pretty deep, too. It's interesting to see how they speak about others when there's no FR mods to keep them in line.
That is until it all got hidden on their members only forums.
[[what is it about science and the pursuit of knowledge that makes you so uneasy?]]
To me? Why nothing- and yourself?
[[Is it so offensive to you that we question the inner workings of the world around us and find contradictions to the bible?]]
Why not at all Dan- Not at all
[[Do you think it so horrible that a book written a millenia before the age of information could be wrong about the technical aspects of how things work?]]
There was a book written about ‘technical aspects’ that long ago Dan?
[[Its only been 40 years since we landed on the moon. Jesus walked the earth two thousand years ago!]]
And that has what to do with the price of beans in China again Dan?
[[What an extremely educated man knew about the world in 200 a.d. is nothing compared to what a ten year old knows about the world today.]]
Yes, isn’t info grand? Why all we needs do is hop online today and there is a wealth of info available to us- but htis proves the bible wrong how Dan? This proves Macroevolution is possible how Dan? Psssst- there is a wealth of informaiton showing Macroevolution is IMPOSSIBLE biologically, mathematically, chemically, and naturally Dan- JFYI
[[The world does not adapt to man or his ideas, we adapt to it.]]
Noone is stating otherwise Dan- however, the more we ‘adapt to it’ the more we find hte glories of God wrapped up in the htings we once didn’t understand so well- so not really sure why you even bothered to jump into htis conversation between myself and Tressal? You didn’t provide one valid point to the issues we were discussing, and seemed content bringign up commonly known issues with no point- but whatever- have a nice day
oh, and htanks fer playin little feller- and when ya gits yerself some irrefutable evidence showing God’s word has been contradicted- you just comes right back here and present htem- until then- I’m not itnerested in you ASSUMPTIONS about what the evidences mean- ESPECIALLY when they VIOLATE natural, chemical, biological and mathematical laws- the very laws that supposedly are the underpinnings of science itself.
you’re welcome to your opinion of course- but let’s NOT pretend even for an instant that your opinions are established scientific facts- K? K!