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Patrick J. Buchanan: Afghanistan South (Mexico)
humanevents.com ^ | 03/06/2009 | Patrick J. Buchanan

Posted on 03/06/2009 6:27:54 AM PST by kellynla

Heeding the advice of Gen. David Petraeus, Barack Obama has committed 17,000 more troops to Afghanistan and will keep 50,000 in Iraq after U.S. combat operations end in August 2010.

But are U.S. vital interests more threatened by what happens in Anbar or Helmand than in the war raging along our southern border?

Prediction: After all U.S. troops in Iraq, Afghanistan and Korea have come home, there will be a U.S. army on the Mexican border. For this is where the fate of our republic will be decided, as the fate of Europe will be decided by the millions streaming north from the Maghreb and Middle East, sub-Sahara and South Asia.

Last year, 6,000 Mexicans died in drug-related killings in a war where the tactics are massacre, murder, kidnapping and beheading.

President Felipe Calderon has ordered another 5,000 troops and 1,000 police to the border. Primary target: Ciudad Juarez, across the Rio Grande from El Paso.

Some 2,500 federal troops are already in Juarez, where in 2008 there were 1,600 drug-related murders. Gun battles occur every day. Nationally, 45,000 army troops and police are committed to this war that Mexico is not winning. For, according to the March 3 Washington Times, the Pentagon now estimates the cartels field more than 100,000 foot soldiers.

The chief of police of Juarez just resigned after a cartel threatened to kill an officer every 48 hours if he did not. To prove its seriousness, the cartel murdered four cops, including the chief's deputy. Last year, 50 police officers in Juarez were murdered.

"The decision I am taking is one of life over death," said Chief Roberto Oduna. The chief would seem to have a point. In January, his predecessor's head was found in an ice cooler outside a police station. The mayor keeps his family in El Paso, as they have been threatened with decapitation.

Friday, the State Department declared, "Corruption throughout Mexico's public institutions remains a key impediment to curtailing the power of the drug cartels." Calderon retorts that, while the murders may be committed in Mexico, the cash and guns come from the United States.

With oil revenue down since the price dropped $100 a barrel, and remittances down from Mexican workers in the United States as the U.S. economy tanks, tourism, too, has begun to die. Beheadings in and around Acapulco have not helped. Warnings have been issued to U.S. college kids to avoid Mexico on spring break, as kidnappings for ransom are rampant. Restaurants and bars in Juarez that catered to folks from El Paso and soldiers from Fort Bliss are shutting down.

In February, in the resort town of Cancun, a retired army general sent to create an elite anti-crime unit was kidnapped, tortured and shot. Mexican troops raided Cancun's police headquarters and arrested the chief and dozens of his officers in connection with the murder.

Add a collapsing global economy to a losing war with drug cartels, and Mexico is at grave risk of becoming a failed state, a narco-state, with a 2,000-mile border with the United States.

How does one win a drug war when millions of Americans who use recreational drugs are financing the cartels bribing, murdering and beheading to win the war and keep self-indulgent Americans supplied with drugs?

There are two sure ways to end this war swiftly: Milton's way and Mao's way. Mao Zedong's communists killed users and suppliers alike, as social parasites. Milton Friedman's way is to decriminalize drugs and call off the war.

When Richard Nixon declared the War on Drugs in 1972, Milton, writing in Newsweek, objected on ethical grounds:

"On ethical grounds, do we have the right to use the machinery of government to prevent an individual from becoming an alcoholic or a drug addict? For children, almost everyone would answer at least a qualified yes. But for responsible adults, I, for one, would answer no. Reason with the potential addict, yes. Tell him the consequences, yes. Pray for and with him, yes. But I believe that we have no right to use force, directly or indirectly, to prevent a fellow man from committing suicide, let alone from drinking alcohol or taking drugs."

"Am I my brother's keeper?'" asked Milton, answering, "No."

Americans are never going to adopt the Maoist solution. For the users of drugs are all too often classmates, colleagues, friends, even family. Indeed, our last three presidents did not deny using drugs.

Once, a Christian America outlawed and punished homosexuality, abortion, alcohol, loan-sharking and gambling, all as criminal vice. Now, homosexuality and abortion are constitutional rights. Gambling and booze are a rich source of government revenue. And loan-sharking is done by credit-card companies, and not just the Corleones.

Will we raise the white flag in the drug war, as well?

Which is the greater evil? Legalized narcotics for America's young or a failed state of 110,000 million on our southern border?

Some choice. Some country we've become.


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1 posted on 03/06/2009 6:27:54 AM PST by kellynla
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To: gubamyster; HiJinx; Travis McGee

ping


2 posted on 03/06/2009 6:28:26 AM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

With Obama as our leader, the war for the southern border is already lost.


3 posted on 03/06/2009 6:31:52 AM PST by I Buried My Guns (FMCDH - BITS - BLOAT, and all that other stuff)
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To: kellynla

Being neighbors with a corrupt 3rd world country of 110,000,000 people realy sucks...


4 posted on 03/06/2009 6:35:52 AM PST by floridavoter2
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To: kellynla

Our new Homeland Security chief thinks its not a problemo yet


5 posted on 03/06/2009 6:38:45 AM PST by MadelineZapeezda (Have you girded your loins today??????)
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To: I Buried My Guns

Bush, McCain, Perry, Richardson, The Terminator and the rest of congress are to blame as well.


6 posted on 03/06/2009 6:41:32 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: kellynla
It is astonishing how much flak Pat Buchanan will receive as a result of this article. How little credit he will get when his prediction proves out.


7 posted on 03/06/2009 6:41:36 AM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: kellynla
A sad picture but true. Mexico is America greatest threat. It will not be long and America will actively assist the Mexican Government in taking down the cartel. We already are at war with the cartel here on our shores.
8 posted on 03/06/2009 6:42:47 AM PST by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: I Buried My Guns

“With Obama as our leader, the war for the southern border is already lost.”

With our ex leader who was not a leader and at best a poor manager, the war for the southern border was already lost a few years back.


9 posted on 03/06/2009 6:43:19 AM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: nathanbedford

That crazy old uncle Pat in the attic isn’t so crazy anymore....


10 posted on 03/06/2009 6:49:26 AM PST by TADSLOS ( Join the Conservative Revolution! http://falconparty.com/)
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
But now, look for the new tone to be "keeping out those poor Mexicans is inhuman and politically incorrect. If you support an actual border, you are a racist". Those who voice a concern about it will be marginalized or shunned.

Or, to quote the lady from New Orleans, "Shut up white boy!"

11 posted on 03/06/2009 7:00:03 AM PST by I Buried My Guns (FMCDH - BITS - BLOAT, and all that other stuff)
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To: kellynla

BTT!


12 posted on 03/06/2009 7:05:19 AM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925; Foreigners 2008)
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To: kellynla

This is one of those times Pat is pretty much right on.


13 posted on 03/06/2009 7:07:49 AM PST by dfwgator (1996 2006 2008 - Good Things Come in Threes)
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To: kellynla

It’s not the drugs that fuels criminal behavior- it’s the criminals. We ended prohibition- the criminals turned to gambling. We built Las Vegas and other gambling outlets- the criminals turned to drugs. If we legalize drugs, the criminals will turn to something else. Given the growing sex slavery and human trafficing business- I shudder to think what that will look like.


14 posted on 03/06/2009 7:18:48 AM PST by bobjam
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To: kellynla
“There are two sure ways to end this war swiftly: Milton's way and Mao's way. Mao Zedong's communists killed users and suppliers alike, as social parasites. Milton Friedman's way is to decriminalize drugs and call off the war.”

He is absolutely right about that. He's also right in saying that Americans will never go for Mao's way. All we will see are half measures that are bound to be costly and doomed to fail. The “total war” necessary to win or at least cut drug use down substantially and therefore shrink the black market for drugs and the illegals drugs industry down to a fraction of what it is will never be fought here. You can't have that in a free society.

I don't know about Milton Friedman's way either though. Do we really want to legalize drugs like meth and heroin? I don't, but we can make the illegal drug trade much less of a problem simply by legalizing marijuana and only marijuana. That's the drug that most all drug users use. Americans consume more pot than all other illegal drugs combined. We have a huge black market for drugs, but mostly that black market is a black market for marijuana. Most of the participants, users and sellers, are involved with marijuana. If we regulate production and sales and take it out of the black market the black market for illegal drugs will shrink to something much more manageable. There will be far fewer participants in the black market for drugs, fewer users, fewer sellers, and a whole lot less money.

If you look at production estimates, estimates on the value of the market for drugs, for this country and the world over, marijuana is number one. No other illegal drug comes close in the number of users or the amount of money being generated in the market. And specifically when we talk about Mexican drug cartels, marijuana is their cash cow. ONDCP head John Walters said that marijuana is their “bread and butter, “the center of gravity” for Mexican drug cartels. The ONDCP estimated that about 62% of the money the Mexican cartels gross from drugs bound for the U.S. comes from marijuana. About 28% comes from cocaine, but they are only the middlemen for cocaine which must first be purchased and smuggled from South America before it can be smuggled into this country. Marijuana may very well provide these organizations with more than 62% of their net proceeds from drug sales to Americans.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/022208dnintdrugs.3a98bb0.html

I think we do have some success with the war on drugs but mostly it's with drugs other than marijuana. We're able to keep drugs like cocaine, meth and heroin expensive and to varying degrees we're able to make them not so easy to come by. We're not even accomplishing that with marijuana. It's cheap on a per use basis and almost as easy to get as beer. We're failing miserably with marijuana. We're blowing a fortune trying in vain to keep up the ban. We're enriching organized crime to the tune of many billions of dollars a year. We're creating a situation where corruption is rampant, where millions of people have disrespect for law enforcement and the rule of law in general. We're doing a lot more harm than good in so many ways. We'd be much better off if we just regulated the production and sales of marijuana, tax it and use our money, efforts and resources fighting more pressing battles. Marijuana is just not such a threat that it is worth it to keep this incredibly costly battle going.

15 posted on 03/06/2009 7:21:46 AM PST by SmallGovRepub
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To: nathanbedford

“It is astonishing how much flak Pat Buchanan will receive as a result of this article. How little credit he will get when his prediction proves out.”

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You got that right.

Sometimes it seems there’s a democrat party, actually running the Republican party.


16 posted on 03/06/2009 7:23:31 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (Palin / Limbaugh 2012)
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To: I Buried My Guns

“keeping out those poor Mexicans is inhuman and politically incorrect. If you support an actual border, you are a racist”.”

I never considered myself a racist. I live amongst all kinds of folks of different skin tones here in Panama City, (R of P). It is the education level (a lot of times but not always. I know wonderful, smart, hard working folks who have not been through college) plus our common philosophy with whom I affiliate and not color...with the exceptions of Muslims. But then, Muslims and I do not have a common philosophy. If that is the case, I am then the biggest racist in the world. Good! I will wear that badge with honor.


17 posted on 03/06/2009 7:29:02 AM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: nathanbedford
Indeed.

PJB has been Cicero on the topics of Illegals and Demographics yet he his hated. Sometimes you have to acknowledge when people are correct and try to fix the problem.

The fact that the R's and D's haven't, implies they like the status quo.

18 posted on 03/06/2009 7:31:47 AM PST by BGHater (Tyranny is always better organised than freedom)
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To: I Buried My Guns

P.S.

To hell with the Mexicans.


19 posted on 03/06/2009 7:31:49 AM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: SmallGovRepub
” but we can make the illegal drug trade much less of a problem simply by legalizing marijuana and only marijuana.”

I don't know about where you live but in CA we already have legal "medical" marijuana.

20 posted on 03/06/2009 7:34:19 AM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

Geez, what ever happened to knifings and shootings, ya know the good old way. Now they’re beheading people? Sickos.


21 posted on 03/06/2009 7:44:16 AM PST by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: nathanbedford
>>>>It is astonishing how much flak Pat Buchanan will receive as a result of this article. How little credit he will get when his prediction proves out.

You are exactly correct.

22 posted on 03/06/2009 7:46:50 AM PST by Thorin ("I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.")
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To: Marysecretary
they're just copying the muzzies’ MO...
by beheading, they are terrorizing the wives & children of those in authority...

sooner or later we're gonna have to secure BOTH borders and “take out the trash!” ...unfortunately it won't happen under Hussein's administration so we've got at least another four years to wait...and wait...and wait...and wait...

23 posted on 03/06/2009 7:49:35 AM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: I Buried My Guns

P.S. again.

I don’t like the Mexican culture.


24 posted on 03/06/2009 7:53:30 AM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: bobjam
“It’s not the drugs that fuels criminal behavior- it’s the criminals. We ended prohibition- the criminals turned to gambling. We built Las Vegas and other gambling outlets- the criminals turned to drugs. If we legalize drugs, the criminals will turn to something else. Given the growing sex slavery and human trafficing business- I shudder to think what that will look like.”

We'll always have criminals. We'll always have organized crime. It's always been that way and it always will be that way. We can though create situation where crime flourishes, where organized crime grows. We did it with Alcohol Prohibition. That was a heyday for organized crime. Street gangs became very powerful organizations. A lot of people were getting rich and this attracted a lot of folks who weren't really professional criminals, people who probably wouldn't have engaged in criminal acts without all the opportunities and temptation Prohibition provided. When Prohibition ended, most of the people involved did not just move on to some other kind of crime. The mobsters did. The professional criminals did. But there were millions involved in one way or another who did not go on to other forms of crime. My grand dad cooked up a little hooch in the woods with his brother to sell to supplement his income from his carpentry business, and after Prohibition they became contractors building homes and eventually whole subdivisions. A guy like Joe Kennedy had money to finance alcohol smuggling operations that made him a lot more money and after Prohibition he focused on legitimate businesses and politics. We had bootleggers who became stock car drivers. Prohibition created a lot of opportunities for people to make money, it created a lot of temptation, and millions of people were involved to varying degrees with the production or smuggling of alcoholic beverages, transporting them, selling them and so on. Most of them didn't move on to other criminal enterprises after Prohibition and the same would be true if we did something like legalize marijuana. The billion and billions of dollars being made in the illegal drugs industry does fuel criminal behavior.

25 posted on 03/06/2009 7:53:31 AM PST by SmallGovRepub
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To: bobjam
It’s not the drugs that fuels criminal behavior- it’s the criminals. We ended prohibition- the criminals turned to gambling. We built Las Vegas and other gambling outlets- the criminals turned to drugs. If we legalize drugs, the criminals will turn to something else. Given the growing sex slavery and human trafficing business- I shudder to think what that will look like.

Thank you I have been trying to make that point here for years. We are already seeing them moving into kidnapping in a big way.

Another big problem with legalization (which I am not necessarily against) is our product liability laws. Yes you could legalizes pot and some company would market it, but coke, meth, heroin GHB etc. are very dangerous substances and no company would except the liability to produce or distribute them.

26 posted on 03/06/2009 8:01:07 AM PST by usurper (Spelling or grammatical errors in this post can be attributed to the LA City School System)
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To: kellynla

Obama is really scary. I know we often complained about president Bush, but I do miss him. Obama has NO class, NO wisdom, NO experience, NO nothin’ honey. How could people have been so dumb? I am amazed at the Christians I know who voted for him. They need a club side of the head moment!


27 posted on 03/06/2009 8:16:41 AM PST by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: kellynla

Good article. He’s laid out the options. Neither is good, but I haven’t heard anyone give a third option. That, of course, would be to try and make drugs socially unacceptable. Good luck with that.


28 posted on 03/06/2009 8:31:32 AM PST by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: I Buried My Guns

The cynical view would be since the U.S. has been invaded already and the border insecure, time to invade Mexico in a counter-attack and seize drug cartel assets. Classic geopolitics. But Buchanan lost his bid for the presidency and Obama, obsessed with making the U.S. a Third World socialist country, is unlikely to follow that lead. They have to secure that border.

29 posted on 03/06/2009 8:35:50 AM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Richard Kimball
I don't think legalizing illegal drugs is the answer...

look at countries that do not tolerate illegal drugs...
I mean you don't even wanna think about bringing illegal drugs into those countries...

we need to secure BOTH borders, start deporting ALL illegals including the incarcerated foreigners and continue to educate children of the dangers of these drugs. I know it won't be easy and it will take years and years but the legalizing these drugs will just make a bad situation worse...more drugs, crimes, overdose deaths and stupidity!

30 posted on 03/06/2009 8:47:22 AM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: Richard Kimball

“Good article. He’s laid out the options. Neither is good, but I haven’t heard anyone give a third option. “

A third option would be to just legalize marijuana and use some of the money we’ll save and generate in tax revenues to crack down on what remains of the illegal drug trade.


31 posted on 03/06/2009 8:52:01 AM PST by TKDietz
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To: kellynla

“we need to secure BOTH borders, start deporting ALL illegals including the incarcerated foreigners and continue to educate children of the dangers of these drugs.”

I agree with all that but it won’t stop the flow of drugs. The drugs will keep coming as long as there is lots of money to be made. And it’s a good idea to educate people on the dangers of drugs, but we’ve been doing that for a long time now and it doesn’t stop many from messing around with drugs.

“I know it won’t be easy and it will take years and years but the legalizing these drugs will just make a bad situation worse...more drugs, crimes, overdose deaths and stupidity!”

I agree with that when it comes to the hard stuff. Pot doesn’t cause that many problems though and I think most people who want to smoke it already smoke it. Over a 100,000,000 Americans have already tried it. According to the government’s self reported statistics more than half of all people under 60 have smoked it. Use couldn’t go up that much. It would go up some but that would be a small price to pay when you think about the money we’d save, the damage we’d do to organized crime, the tax revenues we’d generate, etc.


32 posted on 03/06/2009 9:03:14 AM PST by TKDietz
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To: TKDietz; kellynla

“more than half of all people under 60 have smoked it.”

That should read “more than half of all American _adults_ under sixty....”


33 posted on 03/06/2009 9:06:11 AM PST by TKDietz
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To: TKDietz

and 100% have made dumb mistakes...
doesn’t mean we should legalize stupidity. LOL

I KNOW the younger generation today is smarter about drugs than we were in the 60’s & 70’s because we KNOW more about these drugs and their dangers today than we did then... I’m just not ready to “throw in the towel”...yet...


34 posted on 03/06/2009 9:10:56 AM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: SmallGovRepub

When basically moral people get desperate, they sometimes do “what is necessary” to survive. That’s human nature. The problem arises when societal morality erodes to the point where corruption takes root as a way of life and as an acceptable norm. That is an entirely different sort of problem and history has few examples of societies extracting themselves from such a trap peacefully. Mexico has long crossed this line and the real danger to the USA is that this culture of corruption takes root here.


35 posted on 03/06/2009 9:13:42 AM PST by AustinBill (consequence is what makes our choices real)
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To: kellynla
Dutch drug policies do not increase marijuana use, first rigorous comparative study finds

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The study was funded by the U.S. National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) and the Dutch Ministry of Health.

http://www.ucsc.edu/currents/03-04/05-03/drug_study.html

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link to FR post (#146) showing heroin addiction higher in Iran, Singapore and the US than in The Netherlands

36 posted on 03/06/2009 9:24:53 AM PST by Ken H
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To: Logical me
We already are at war with the cartel here on our shores.

Does anybody on our side know it?

37 posted on 03/06/2009 9:32:41 AM PST by Ole Okie
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To: kellynla
They're a lot smarter about drugs than we were in the 60’s & 70’s but since the 80’s we've been educating kids about the dangers of drugs and we've probably seen the maximum benefit we're going to get from that. We've also been fighting very hard to stop the flow of drugs and it hasn't worked. Illegal drugs are as available as ever and we haven't even been able to drive the prices up to higher than they were in the 80’s. I don't think we should throw in the towel. I just think we should regulate the production and sales of marijuana. We should still fight against the other drugs and we should still educate our children about the dangers of substance abuse, including marijuana. The reason I say we should legalize marijuana and not the other stuff is that marijuana is really the one that causes the least amount of harm to innocent people. It is the one most commonly used. It's the one generating the most money for organized crime. I think it's the backbone of the illegal drugs industry. It's also the one that our efforts have been least effective in stopping the flow, limiting availability, making the price too high for many to try it or to use it regularly. In this one instance I suppose I am saying we need to throw in the towel, but that doesn't mean we stop trying reduce demand through educating people on the dangers of smoking marijuana. It doesn't mean we're saying marijuana is good and everybody ought to smoke it. We just need to have policies that make sense and don't cause a lot more harm than good and I think that's exactly what trying in vain to keep up the ban on marijuana does, more harm than good.
38 posted on 03/06/2009 9:34:46 AM PST by TKDietz
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To: AustinBill

“The problem arises when societal morality erodes to the point where corruption takes root as a way of life and as an acceptable norm. “

Giant black markets contribute to this problem. So many are sucked in by the temptation to make this money, and they aren’t all desperate people. Did you read about the Mexican drug czar, Noe Ramirez, who was making up to $450,000 a month helping a drug cartel? That’s a pretty big temptation and the temptation for law enforcement and government officials to take bribes like this in Mexico has to be really strong, not just because it’s hard to make a good living in Mexico, but because these thugs down there kill police and other government officials who will not take their bribes. We have a lot more drug trade related corruption going on in this country than you would think too. No doubt it’s a lot worse in Mexico but we have our share of cops, prosecutors, judges, border guards, etc., who have been corrupted by drug money. The more money being made in the black market, the more corruption there will be. That’s just the way it is and eventually it does lead to a culture of corruption.


39 posted on 03/06/2009 9:51:26 AM PST by TKDietz
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To: kellynla

Coming soon to an Amexican barrio near you, thanks to our open border traitors.


40 posted on 03/06/2009 10:05:31 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

yep, it’s a very sad situation and it’s only going to get worse over the next four years...God help us!


41 posted on 03/06/2009 10:58:19 AM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; george76; ...
Heeding the advice of Gen. David Petraeus, Barack Obama has committed 17,000 more troops to Afghanistan and will keep 50,000 in Iraq after U.S. combat operations end in August 2010. But are U.S. vital interests more threatened by what happens in Anbar or Helmand than in the war raging along our southern border? Prediction: After all U.S. troops in Iraq, Afghanistan and Korea have come home, there will be a U.S. army on the Mexican border. For this is where the fate of our republic will be decided, as the fate of Europe will be decided by the millions streaming north from the Maghreb and Middle East, sub-Sahara and South Asia. Last year, 6,000 Mexicans died in drug-related killings in a war where the tactics are massacre, murder, kidnapping and beheading. President Felipe Calderon has ordered another 5,000 troops and 1,000 police to the border. Primary target: Ciudad Juarez, across the Rio Grande from El Paso.

Walling off the failing state of Mexico from the southern U.S. would help keep their problems there and out of here. After the wall is up, then a roundup and deportation of millions of illegals. There is *no point* to doing a roundup until the fence is done.
Some 2,500 federal troops are already in Juarez, where in 2008 there were 1,600 drug-related murders.

They started out 2008 with 4,100 Mexican troops in Juarez.

...

Okay, sorry, but I couldn't resist that one.

It's not far off the mark though.
Nationally, 45,000 army troops and police are committed to this war that Mexico is not winning. For, according to the March 3 Washington Times, the Pentagon now estimates the cartels field more than 100,000 foot soldiers... The chief of police of Juarez just resigned after a cartel threatened to kill an officer every 48 hours if he did not. To prove its seriousness, the cartel murdered four cops, including the chief's deputy. Last year, 50 police officers in Juarez were murdered.

We need a border fence along the entire border.
In January, his predecessor's head was found in an ice cooler outside a police station.

It's difficult to take seriously a country that reminds me of "The Rocky Horror Picture Show".
The mayor keeps his family in El Paso, as they have been threatened with decapitation.

In a related story, police in El Paso Texas report finding a ziplock bag containing the severed head of the previous mayor of Juarez.
Friday, the State Department declared, "Corruption throughout Mexico's public institutions remains a key impediment to curtailing the power of the drug cartels."

The State Department guy the wearing the cape and mask is Captain Obvious.
Calderon retorts that, while the murders may be committed in Mexico, the cash and guns come from the United States.

We could solve some of Mexico's problems by building the border fence, then stopping all traffic between the countries, except for guns and ammo going south and oil coming north.
With oil revenue down since the price dropped $100 a barrel, and remittances down from Mexican workers in the United States as the U.S. economy tanks, tourism, too, has begun to die. Beheadings in and around Acapulco have not helped. Warnings have been issued to U.S. college kids to avoid Mexico on spring break, as kidnappings for ransom are rampant.

I smell 'bailout'!
Restaurants and bars in Juarez that catered to folks from El Paso and soldiers from Fort Bliss are shutting down.

If this screws up Sammy Hagar, I'm cool with it.
In February, in the resort town of Cancun, a retired army general sent to create an elite anti-crime unit was kidnapped, tortured and shot. Mexican troops raided Cancun's police headquarters and arrested the chief and dozens of his officers in connection with the murder. Add a collapsing global economy to a losing war with drug cartels, and Mexico is at grave risk of becoming a failed state, a narco-state, with a 2,000-mile border with the United States.

Why, just because the entire police force in Cancun works for the drug cartel? Isn't that kinda jumpin' to conclusions? ;')
How does one win a drug war when millions of Americans who use recreational drugs are financing the cartels bribing, murdering and beheading to win the war and keep self-indulgent Americans supplied with drugs? ...Mao Zedong's communists killed users and suppliers alike, as social parasites. Milton Friedman's way is to decriminalize drugs and call off the war. When Richard Nixon declared the War on Drugs in 1972, Milton, writing in Newsweek, objected on ethical grounds...

Nixon didn't have users and suppliers alike shot as social parasites. That's too bad. Propaganda such as the movie "Air America" has been used to blame Nixon for the hippie generation's promiscuous stupidity and self-indulgence.
"Am I my brother's keeper?'" asked Milton, answering, "No."

Except for the negative income tax. Then I'm my brother's keeper. Milton can [profane rant omitted].
Once, a Christian America outlawed and punished homosexuality, abortion, alcohol, loan-sharking and gambling, all as criminal vice. Now, homosexuality and abortion are constitutional rights. Gambling and booze are a rich source of government revenue. And loan-sharking is done by credit-card companies, and not just the Corleones.

What an a-hole. The credit card companies are not loan sharks.
Will we raise the white flag in the drug war, as well? Which is the greater evil? Legalized narcotics for America's young or a failed state of 110,000 million on our southern border? Some choice. Some country we've become.

I guess Pat agrees with Mao. Oh wait, he just said he doesn't.

Build the fence.

I guess we know why Obama wants $6 million of riot equipment.
42 posted on 03/06/2009 11:25:12 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Sometimes it seems there’s a democrat party, actually running the Republican party.

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There is. It’s the Libertarians who want to surrender in the WOD and legalize and tax the stuff.


43 posted on 03/06/2009 11:37:42 AM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: kellynla

You sure do.

And if libs get their way....

You will legalize pot just so’s you can tax it.

And thereby solve all your financial problems. (Ha!)

I oppose this solution with every fiber of my being. But in some perverse way - I’d like to see California do it. And then when the entire state falls apart financially, morally, emotionally, etc. etc....

Then maybe then - The Libertarians will STFU.


44 posted on 03/06/2009 11:42:01 AM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: Responsibility2nd

“And then when the entire state falls apart financially, morally, emotionally, etc. etc....”

Well, thanks for your “well wishes”
shezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


45 posted on 03/06/2009 11:45:07 AM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla
Calderon retorts that, while the murders may be committed in Mexico, the cash and guns come from the United States.

Bull! They're coming from China and elsewhere. Cartels don't waste time with the types of guns available in the US. They want, fully-automatic heavy artillery!

46 posted on 03/06/2009 12:16:06 PM PST by PsyOp (Put government in charge of tire pressure, and we'll soon have a shortage of air. - PsyOp.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
But in some perverse way - I'd like to see California do it. And then when the entire state falls apart financially, morally, emotionally, etc. etc....

Heh heh! And when CA shows that legalized pot does NOT cause all these terrible things, then Drug Warriors lose even more credibilty - if that's possible.

Then maybe then - The Libertarians will STFU.

Such language from someone concerned about declining morals. Not nice!

47 posted on 03/06/2009 12:57:15 PM PST by Ken H
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To: kellynla
Gotta agree with Pat.

I HATE drugs.

But the War on Drugs has failed, brought us tyranny, and destabilized several coutries south of the border.

We need to legalize marijuana and tax it.

48 posted on 03/06/2009 1:44:30 PM PST by happygrl (BORG: Barack 0bama Resistance Group: we will not be assimilated)
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To: kellynla

How’s that NAFTA working out?


49 posted on 03/06/2009 1:48:22 PM PST by Finalapproach29er (Democrats still want to get Pres. Bush and/or VP Cheney; there might be show trials in 2009.)
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To: AustinBill
The problem arises when societal morality erodes to the point where corruption takes root as a way of life and as an acceptable norm. That is an entirely different sort of problem and history has few examples of societies extracting themselves from such a trap peacefully. Mexico has long crossed this line and the real danger to the USA is that this culture of corruption takes root here.

Very well said.

The only hope I see for Mexico is that of the Christian Mexicans here who are determined to evangelize their fellow countrymen with a heart and life changing Gospel. There are many many churches in SoCal, both Hispanic and non-Hispanic, which are involved in this endeavor.

A redeemed culture, as was done in the crumbling Roman Empire by those little bands of Christians, is the only hope for Mexico.

P.S.That applies here as well.

50 posted on 03/06/2009 2:06:37 PM PST by happygrl (BORG: Barack 0bama Resistance Group: we will not be assimilated)
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