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Could St. Louis lose its Catholic hospitals under new federal abortion legislation?
STL Today ^ | 3/5/09 | Tim Townsend

Posted on 03/06/2009 12:24:42 PM PST by anniegetyourgun

A proposed bill promising major changes in the U.S. abortion landscape has Roman Catholic bishops threatening to close Catholic hospitals if the Democratic Congress and White House make it law.

The Freedom of Choice Act failed to get out of subcommittee in 2004, but its sponsor is poised to refile it now that former Senate co-sponsor Barack Obama occupies the Oval Office.

A spokesman for Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., said the legislation "is among the congressman's priorities. We expect to reintroduce it sooner rather than later."

FOCA, as the bill is known, would make federal law out of the abortion protections established in 1973 by the U.S. Supreme Court's Roe vs. Wade ruling.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 111th; abortion; bho44; bhoabortion; catholic; catholichospitals; foca; nadler

1 posted on 03/06/2009 12:24:42 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: anniegetyourgun
A spokesman for Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., said the legislation "is among the congressman's priorities. We expect to reintroduce it sooner rather than later."

If I were someoen like Jerrold Nadler and had to look at myself in any mirror extant, I might favor abortion too.

2 posted on 03/06/2009 12:30:27 PM PST by stevem
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(Could St. Louis lose its Catholic hospitals under new federal abortion legislation?)

DUH.... That is the whole idea. The Socialist Obama Regime with the aid of the Socialist and Communist in Congress want ALL citizens to be dependent on the Government for their healthcare.They need to find someway to close down Hospitals that operate with some moral copmpass.


3 posted on 03/06/2009 12:36:37 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Coming to You From the Front Lines of Occupied America)
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To: anniegetyourgun

Nadler doesn’t like Catholicism!


4 posted on 03/06/2009 12:42:12 PM PST by philly-d-kidder (Those who know the truth, no explanation is needed. those who refuse 2 know, no explanation is enuf!)
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Here’s what I don’t understand. Aren’t hospitals private/publicly held corporations and don’t they reserve the right to do certain procedures that they deem wrong? If they are against IVF, they simply don’t offer it, so why would they be required to offer abortions?


5 posted on 03/06/2009 12:42:23 PM PST by Cyclone59 (You know why there’s a Second Amendment? In case the government fails to follow the first one.)
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You’re thinking like an American. But the liberals have tried to push totalitarian bills like this, and when they own the politicians and the judges, they have been pretty successful.

For instance, there are several states where pharmacists MUST provide abortion drugs to customers, even if it is against their conscience and even if their employers have agreed that they can follow their conscience.

Pharmacists have been fired over this issue, and others have been prosecuted. They may win in the end, but meanwhile their lives have been destroyed and their savings cleaned out.

This issue has come very close to happening in New York City, where Bloomberg said that Catholics could not have freedom of conscience. So far, he has backed down. But these issues don’t go away, and with the liberals riding high we cannot count on the courts to defend our rights.

Some Catholic institutions HAVE backed down, and that encourages the enemy. For instance, a lot of “Catholic” colleges have gay associations on campus, or show The Vagina Monologues, or otherwise violate Catholic principles, and they seem to get away with it. So liberals have reason to hope maybe the hospitals will back down, too. One or two have, in fact, on contraceptives, but then have eventually been pulled back into line by bishops.

But it’s a serious issue. And a lot of people can get hurt, or driven out of the medical profession, so you have no lone left but abortionists and euthanists.


7 posted on 03/06/2009 12:52:28 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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Not to be rude, but I don’t think you answered my question. The pharmacists that you are talking about worked for a pharmacy that didn’t have a problem with those pills. The pharmacy has the right to not provide those pills. That is where I am going with the hospitals - if they don’t offer abortions then the good docs don’t have to worry about being forced to do them. I do thank you for your answer.


8 posted on 03/06/2009 12:59:31 PM PST by Cyclone59 (You know why there’s a Second Amendment? In case the government fails to follow the first one.)
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No, some states have told pharmacy owners that they MUST provide abortion pills and that everyone working for them MUST provide pills.

A similar law is proposed for hospitals. ALL hospitals MUST provide abortions and contraceptives, like it or not, and all the doctors and nurses and staff working for them.

This certainly violates our constitutional freedoms, but it’s what they intend to do.


9 posted on 03/06/2009 1:06:50 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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Massachusetts has done exactly this. Walmart was forced to supply condoms and birth control because of its pharmacy. Also the Catholic church had to drop its adoption agency because it was forced to allow gay couples to adopt children.

The liberals want the Catholic hospitals to close that way there would only be government run hospitals.

10 posted on 03/06/2009 1:12:32 PM PST by outpostinmass2
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"Aren’t hospitals private/publicly held corporations and don’t they reserve the right to do certain procedures that they deem wrong? If they are against IVF, they simply don’t offer it, so why would they be required to offer abortions?"

They almost certainly get lots of govt. help in the form of grants, etc. I am pretty certain that all kinds of hospitals do, no matter what their ownership. When the govt. gives you money, they heap all sorts of requirements on you. If you want to the dough, you agree to what do they want. TOf course, this does not address the issue at hand. Just replying to your general questions about why private hospitals (like private colleges and universities, same principle) would be subject to govt. regulations.

11 posted on 03/06/2009 1:13:35 PM PST by Irene Adler (Is it possible to be a socially conservative anarchist?)
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To: anniegetyourgun

This thing appears to me to be specifically an attack on Catholic hospitals.


12 posted on 03/06/2009 1:57:34 PM PST by arthurus ( H.L. Mencken said, "Every election is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen goods.")
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To: Cicero

Simple solution -

defy the law and refuse to comply with penalties.


13 posted on 03/06/2009 1:59:45 PM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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That’s likely what at least some of the bishops will do.

But at this stage their aim is to discourage the Dems from pushing this stuff through. If they threaten to shut down the hospitals, that would throw an incredible burden on the municipal hospitals and the government, who would have to pick up the slack or explain to the people why they weren’t getting any health care.

Later, if this tyrannical measure goes through, they can simply disobey, with the further threat of shutting down.


14 posted on 03/06/2009 5:56:03 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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The Bishops won’t shut down the Catholic hospitals. They will likely reorganize into hospices, nursing homes or cancer treatment centers, none of which are required or expected to perform abortions.


15 posted on 03/08/2009 6:13:29 PM PDT by pray4liberty (Always vote for life!)
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