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Posted on 03/06/2009 7:41:04 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
Creation: antidote for depression
by Tas Walker
Now I realize why Ive been depressed for so long, a man with dishevelled hair, baggy clothes and unkempt beard told me after a meeting one evening. He said he had always accepted evolution was a fact. That night he realized that this evolutionary belief was the reason for his dark despair and feeling of emptiness....
(Excerpt) Read more at creation.com ...
Don’t worry. God’s in control. Be happy :o)
1. something that preoccupies a person to the exclusion of other things: his principal obsession was with trying to economize
2. Psychiatry a persistent idea or impulse, often associated with anxiety and mental illness
Psychiatry ‘Recurrent & persistent thoughts, impulses, or images (that are perceived) as intrusive and inappropriate and cause marked anxiety or distress’
1. Recurrent & persistent thoughts, impulses, or imagesTII, that are perceived as intrusive and inappropriate and cause marked anxiety or distress
2. Or that are not simply excessive reponses to genuine real-life problems
3. Active attempts are made to suppress or neutralize the TIIs by some thought or action
4. The person recognizes that the TIIs are products of his/her own mind
1. Repetitive behaviorseg handwashing, double-checking, mental actspraying, repeating words silently that a person feels compelled to perform in response to an obsession, or in accord with strictly applied rules
2. Behaviors or mental acts aimed at preventing or reducing distress or preventing some dreaded event or situation, which are not realistically connected with what they are intended to neutralize or prevent, or behaviors that are clearly excessive DSM-IV, 1994
Yes, GOD is in conrol.
[Happy, hairy, bow-legged familyop, knees half bent, scratches his right armpit with his right hand, then while hobbling toward the door, dangles his right arm over his head and scratches while hobbling,...]
Kinda has a nice ring to it. Thank you!
Good to hear from you again, Familyop. As you can see, I’m onto my next mission :o) All the best—GGG
Without a Creator, life is meaningless.
We are then no more than a chance of nothing, created by nothing, apparently created out of nothing and created for no purpose whatsoever and there is no reason for any morality at all. Our existence would be nothing more than chance. We’re born. we live. we die. and that is all.
How utterly hopeless.
I can’t believe that.
I’ve seen and know the Creator
Alfred E. 0bama
I have to remind myself who is in charge when I get all frantic about the demons running this country right now.
It’s good to see your work, too. :-)
You might know by now that I’m a strict monotheist but a strong believer (Gentile studying Judaism). The article that you posted is a good argument against Atheism, which leads to various kinds of New Age habits for most. I won’t personally argue with or otherwise be contrary with decided Atheists, but it’s healthier to avoid distancing oneself further from G-d, IMO.
You would not have found a more devout Christian than my grandmother. She also suffered from depression. For a great many people, It has nothing to do with their attitude or belief system. It’s a disorder of brain chemistry that’s treatable with medication.
I am a suicide survivor (as an evolutionist), who was dramatically affected for the better when I became a creationist. So I absolutely endorse the gist of this article. It’s hard to be depressed when you recognize the reality that there is a God and He cares about you.
You are right that some depression has a chemical/hormonal link. But not all. Obviously this article refers to the latter, not the former.
woollyone: “Without a Creator, life is meaningless.”
Agreed. Most people don’t give serious thought to it, but a life without God is ultimately meaningless. No matter what you do, it has no meaning outside of your own selfish existence. No matter how you strive, whatever you build or create, it all comes to nothing in the end. Even the human race, without God, is hopelessly doomed, a dead end. Whether you or anyone else lives or dies, it matters not.
Conservatives who don’t believe in God and don’t respect Christians should at least give some serious thought as to whether or not Christianity is, on the whole, a social good or a social bad. In my opinion, the answer is obvious.
If Christianity is a social good, then it at least deserves respect and support from non-believing conservatives. Most conservatives used to understand this. Unfortunately, many people, even FReepers, are now hostile to Christianity (to the detriment of society).
kms61: “Its a disorder of brain chemistry thats treatable with medication.”
I find it very interesting how Christ healed people. In some cases, the illness was attributed to demons. In other cases, no demons were involved—the problems were purely physical. Why? I believe that’s the difference you mention in your post. With some, it may be spiritual. With others, it may be physical.
In contrast, Christianity is 1) profoundly positive and conducive to joy, and 2) the only reliable basis for free economic and political systems.
Thanks for the ping!
What about hemorrhoids? Can creationism cure them too?
You make my point. Scientists don't care about what feels good, and you shouldn't either. Scientists care about the truth. Evolution is an observed fact. You may not like it, but facts are facts regardless of one's feelings.
That's your problem. You may not like the implications of evolution, but facts don't change just because we don't like their implications. Personally, I don't find my life meaningless at all, but my own sense of purpose has nothing to do with observed reality.
And those are what happens on my good days......
Disease and suffering are a part of human existence. The brain is an organ just like our liver or our heart. People can have diseases of the brain, just as they can have diseaeases of any organ of the body. Depression is one of those diseases. Here is an article that I wrote for my blog almost 3 years ago. I have received more email and still get more traffic about this post than any others.
Some questions about the Christian life have easy answers. Others do not. In a nice article from January 17th, 2006, D.C. Toedt at The Questioning Christian addresses the thorny and complex issue of Christianity and mental illness. It is my opinion that the Christian community in general has historically not done a very good job at of understanding and ministering to those with mental illnesses. Christians have no problems helping those suffering from heart disease and cancer, but often blame mental illness on the patient. How many Christians have been told "If you just prayed more and developed a better attitude" you wouldn't be so depressed?
Let me use a horrifying example that I know about first-hand. I grew up with a family that had 4 children. All of the children were smart, well-behaved, perfectly normal in every way, and attended church with their parents every Sunday. One of them, when she reached her early 20s, suddenly developed schizophrenia. She thought that light bulbs talked to her. She imagined that stop signs were spying on her. She heard voices and saw things that weren't there. Despite much counseling and her parents showering her with love, she ran away from home and it wasn't until 3 years later that they found her living under a bridge in some place like Cleveland or Cincinnati. The last time that I saw the family, she was taking medication, had married, was holding down a job, was active in church again, and was living a fairly normal life.
Let's take a brief look at the ways Christians have viewed the causes of mental illness, using the schizophrenia that I had seen as an example:
- A spiritual weakness — this is the view taken by websites like Spiritual Schizophrenia and by several who have argued with me at Free Republic. The idea is that people who have schizophrenia aren't letting the Holy Spirit in their lives. That argument sounds nice but the logical conclusion is that everyone who is not a Christian should have schizophrenia since only Christians have the Holy Spirit operating in their lives. In fact, you can extend the logic even further by concluding that every person until Pentecost had schizophrenia because we did not have the gift of the Holy Spirit until that time. Those taking this view often say that reading the Bible more and praying is the only way to treat mental illness.
- Demons — this is the view taken by sites such as Demonbusters. The site claims that "schizophrenia always begins with rejection" and that "double-mindedness wears the person out and frustrates and confuses him, thus allowing demons to enter in and take hold. First of all, the idea of schizophrenia as "double-mindedness" has long been abandoned by medical science. Schizophrenia is not a split personality! However, I do believe that demons are real, are active in this world, and oftentimes cause or aggravate many diseases, including schizophrenia. I wouldn't have said this 20 years ago but I've learned a lot since then.
- An illness just like any other disease — this view accepts modern medicine's idea that we don't really know the cause of schizophrenia, but that it is often passed down from generation to generation and is somehow related to a disorder of brain chemicals. No one would tell an Alzheimer's patient to "get a grip on life" but many will say just that to someone who has a disease like schizophrenia. Christians adopting this view treat the patient just like they would someone suffering from cancer or any other disease. Prayer and scripture study is beneficial to the spirit and the soul. God may or may not choose to heal them miraculously or that he will provide a cure or relief through physicians and medication. The Bible tells us that, barring the rapture, everyone reading this will eventually die by old age, disease, or accident.
The Gospels show that Jesus sometimes cast out demons to heal diseases while at other times he healed the diseases themselves. He could differentiate between the causes behind the suffering whereas we often cannot. In one sense, mental illness like schizophrenia is the result of sin because our entire bodies have been ravaged as the result of generations and generations of sin. I believe that there are times when personal sin can open the door to mental illness, especially in those who already have some susceptibility. For example, we know that marijuana and cannabis consumption before the age of 21 dramatically increases the risk of schizophrenia.
It's not all sin though. A recent study indicates that there is a high genetic component to schizophrenia and identified at least 3 genes that may play a role. Another interesting study shows that children borne to mothers who suffered from the flu or other infections during pregnancy are at a much higher risk for developing the illness. The disease is not the mother's fault and it's certainly not the child's fault.
And, yes, demons can be at fault, too. Sometimes our behavior opens up the door to demon oppression while, at other times, demons have used some other event in the sufferer's life to gain a foothold. Evangelicals have for some reason been reluctant to blame demons for anything other than temptations on the theory that Christians are somehow immune to demon oppression. No Christian can be fully possessed by a demon because we are possessed by God, but almost every believer has areas in their lives that they have not turned over to God.
Sometimes we just don't know what caused the mental illness. At some level, it really doesn't matter so much what caused the illness, but what we do to treat it.
Our role as Christians
First and foremost, our role is to love the sufferer. My wife and I ministered to someone about a year ago by taking them to a free mental health clinic and she was appalled by a man sitting across from ranting to the world. He was obviously suffering from severe schizophrenia and was not able to function in society, even with medication. My wife was instantly moved to compassion because that's the kind of person that she is.
Second, we should take action:
Is anyone among you suffering? Let him pray. Is anyone cheerful? Let him sing praise. Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. And the prayer of faith will save the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up. And if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven. Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person has great power as it is working. (James 5:13-16
Pray often, both with and for the person. A person with mental illness is hurting more than you might think. People hurt so much with clinical depression that they sometimes even kill themselves. An action like that goes completely against our basic instinct to live and shows just how bad illness can be. Have the strongest prayer warriors you know come to the person's house and soak them in loving prayer. Listen to the discernment of the Holy Spirit.
I believe that every church should have at least one person who is adept at confronting and casting out demons. No, I'm not veering off into Kooksville by writing this. Too many associate demon oppression with scenes from The Exorcist or from church services they've been to that have emphasized theatrics and minimized the real work of God. Casting out demons should not be a major drama because Jesus gave all Christians authority over the enemy and his works. We need to use, not abuse, that authority. The Bible never portrays an example of deliverance as a Hollywoodesque performance.
Finally, direct the sufferer to good medical attention. Seeking out a doctor does not mean that you don't trust God — God frequently uses doctors to heal people. A mentally ill person often needs both medication and counseling. There are a lot of good Christian counselors out there who understand people with mental illness. They can give the sufferers good coping techniques and ease their minds. I have had friends who have gone through periods of major depression and have found that God very frequently gives them a cure, but just doesn't give the cure exactly how or when they want it. God doesn't want anyone to have schizophrenia, depression, or any other mental illness but sometimes he does allow us to endure bad things "for a season" in order to develop our character or to give us even better things later.
The bottom line is that people who have mental illness are truly suffering. We may or may not understand why they suffer. We do know, however, that God's purposes are higher than our purposes. Our job is to minister to these people in exactly the same way that Jesus would do if they were to meet him walking down the street.
Now Obama is making more & more sense.
Oprah meets creationism.
Very interesting. Thanks for that.
I suspect it is the cause of them
I don’t have problem.
It appears that it is you that are troubled by the logical outcome of the Godless evo world view and the dark hopeless ramifications.
You’ll notice that I attack nobody...merely present my views.
It appears that you are the one with the problem, as exemplified by your continued need for personal attacks in EVERY crevo thread upon which you can lift your hind leg.
Without a creator, there is no moral law, merely the law of the jungle, survival of the fittest. An economy where there is not right or wrong, only the need to survive.
Which means that at any instant, any person can state the people like you have no rights whatsoever to exist and should be summarily exterminated. And it would be acceptable...because it is after all the survival of the fittest. Right? Isn’t that a logical extension of a godless SOTF world view? After all, according to darwin all are mere animals struggling to survive. And if my survival is enhanced by your removal, then so be it! It is SCIENCE after all! right?
Our beliefs have consequences.
Don’t believe me?
How about the 120 million souls exterminated by godless leaders of dark nations in the 20th Century. IT was rationalized by the godless mind.
And in this ere, it is rearing it’s ugly head again.
Your SOTF, godless world view has necessary consequences that you simply don’t like to hear. It undermines your very existence. It reminds you that you are no better than the germ killed by the antibiotics I am taking and ultimately have no meaning, no purpose on this planet except selfish survival and when you are squished out like a bug, there is nothing after that. Empty nothingness. The nothingness you believe created you out of nothing, for no purpose- that is the nothing you will return to.
That is hopelessness.
See, you are the one with the problem.
My post only serves to remind you of the utter futility of your life and the meaninglessness of your existence.
I, on the other hand have hope.
Hope for a future.
A loving Creator who knows all about me and loves me anyway.
And in Him, I have no problems.
Come out from the dark side Alter Kaker!
But I know this.
Inside, you after you turn of the computer and put the intellectual high mindedness aside and in the quite time, you do know there is a Creator.
I know this because He has made it know to you.
You can openly deny it...deny Him...for now.
But Bible calls you a fool.
I certainly wish good things and hope for you.
“...not given a spirit of fear...”
think about it.
“That night he realized that this evolutionary belief was the reason for his dark despair and feeling of emptiness....”
I believe in evolution and God. Depression can result from no belief in God but I don’t see how you have to believe in Creationism to believe in God.
“no one can seriously dispute that 1) its implications are profoundly depressing for human beings,”
I can dispute it. I believe evolution is likely true (it’s still a theory, however). Regardless, I am convinced that however we got here, it was directed by God. Regardless of the big bang or however you think the universe started, there had to be something there in the beginning since you can’t create something from nothing, unless you are God.
I'm very sorry that your grandmother had to to go through depression. I have counseled many fellow Christians over the years who are going through or have family going through depression and other illnesses of the brain. Sometimes the problem is temporary, while other times it is permanent. Nevertheless, it is horrible. I've read, but haven't verified, that rabies and depression are the only two diseases that can make people kill themselves.
Fortunately, we have good medications that can end depression for almost anyone who has it. Even better, more and more Christians are recognizing that depression and other diseases of the brain are not always the result of a spiritual weakness. I certainly do not wish to dismiss the spiritual aspects behind many cases of depression, but it's not the simple matter that many used to think it was.
Take care, and God bless you.
Actually, no, I'm not. Given that I'm not, the rest of your post is irrelevant.
There may be someone out there is who troubled by the idea that the Earth is a sphere. I'm sorry that they're troubled. But the world won't flatten for them.
Have a blessed Sonday
Creationists are not giving evidence, only ideas. It has also become quite clear that evolution cannot be compatible with scripture. I have almost completely given up on faith. If a loving God is real, why does he play these cruel jokes?
I’m almost convinced that God is not in control and most likely doesn’t exist.
Similar words spoken by Mr. Behe, the #1 expert in ID.
How do you account for moral acts committed by animals?
they learned it from their Creator
Have a great day
Evolution does not say that life is random. Randomness is nothing more than a statistical concept. For example, the Hardy-Weinberg equilibrium assumes random mating even though the choice of mate is determined by chemical activity in the brain or primitive brain. Everything in the universe is affected by laws of physics.
The only problem with evolution and Christianity is the interpretation of Genesis. A literal interpretation renders them completely at odds.
The only good news is that the chance of a loving God existing is still above 0%. Horrible odds but better than nothing.
It does have a terrifying moral conclusion and we can expect to see MUCH more carnage in the future. The worst part about it is that creationists are not finding enough evidence to turn the tide against atheism. Evolution is mounting.
“Inside, you after you turn of the computer and put the intellectual high mindedness aside and in the quite time, you do know there is a Creator.”
If I know then why don’t I “know”? Been trying for years to find evidence for God and found nothing.
“But Bible calls you a fool”
Are fools always ignored by God? That’s the conclusion that I’ve come to right now.
Animals don’t think as abstractly as we do. They do this because the genes that promote altruism often have the best chance of preserving themselves.