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Birth certificate issue seems not to go away
Btrutally Honest ^ | 12/3/2008 | Renee

Posted on 03/07/2009 6:58:58 AM PST by AJMCQ

I don’t know about the rest of you folks, but I’ve been following this bit of news from a local paper and in the blogosphere and I feel the need to do my part and pass on what's happening:

Controversy continues to surround President-elect Barack Obama's eligibility to serve as president, and a case involving his birth certificate waits for its day before the U.S. Supreme Court. A constitutional lawyer said were it to be discovered that Mr. Obama is not a natural-born U.S.citizen, it would have grave consequences for the nation.

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1 posted on 03/07/2009 6:58:59 AM PST by AJMCQ
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To: AJMCQ
A constitutional lawyer said were it to be discovered that Mr. Obama is not a natural-born U.S.citizen, it would have grave consequences for the nation.

It's grave either way.....

2 posted on 03/07/2009 7:00:47 AM PST by SteamShovel (Global Warming, the New Patriotism)
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To: AJMCQ

Is it a coincidence that Obama’s Grandmother Dunham passed away on election eve, November 3, 2008? It is related to the constitutional eligibility of Obama? Once he was confident in victory, he had to take care of loose ends. Dunham was the last living US witness to the events and location of BHO’s naissance. Curious, they announce on election eve that she has succumbed from cancer, yet all the news previous to that was that she had a broken hip from a fall, went to the hospital and recovered. An election eve passing from a heretofore unannounced ailment is just too creepy. Hawaii officials said simultaneously there is a ‘birth certificate’ in our vault but its sealed.

All loose ends are tied up. I pray that I just am a paranoid conspiracy wing nut.


3 posted on 03/07/2009 7:02:40 AM PST by seniorobserver (Constitutional Crisis Looms)
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To: AJMCQ

The BC issue is waiting in the wings until discontent with BO reaches critical mass.


4 posted on 03/07/2009 7:03:12 AM PST by Need4Truth
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To: AJMCQ
There is one use for this otherwise moot issue: Republicans, by simply acknowledging that the issue has been raised, could contribute to the awareness that this jerk is very secretive. Why? No academic records, no medical records, no nothing about his past acquaintances in school and college. Now we don't even know for sure where he was born. What's up with that?

That's all the GOP needs to do to take advantage of this persistent doubt. And when you are dealing with a Pied Piper, doubt is one of your best weapons.

5 posted on 03/07/2009 7:04:52 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: AJMCQ

“A constitutional lawyer said were it to be discovered that Mr. Obama is not a natural-born U.S.citizen, it would have grave consequences for the nation.”

Not a single one of the True Believers would utter so much as a f*rt in a wind storm. The question is, would ANYBODY do ANYTHING at ALL? The issue has been out there for months, and so far no one in any position of authority has done anything but yawn.


6 posted on 03/07/2009 7:05:11 AM PST by Jack Hammer (here)
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To: AJMCQ

The economic collapse will not end until Obozo is out of office.

The controversy about his birth certificate will not go away until he proves where he was born. He has not done that yet. And will never voluntarily do that, because what he has said is a lie.


7 posted on 03/07/2009 7:05:58 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: SteamShovel
Birth certificate issue seems not to go away

zer0's strategy all along has been that "people will get tired of it, lose interest, and it will go away".

It is the duty of every citizen to see that The Constitution is upheld and that it doesn't go away! Since the Federal Government has shirked it's duty, each State Legislature should enact a law that requires that eligibility be certified before a candidate's name is placed on the ballot.

8 posted on 03/07/2009 7:06:15 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (FUBO Kenyan Usurper - "Don't Tread On Me!!!")
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To: LucyT

ping


9 posted on 03/07/2009 7:06:44 AM PST by stockpirate (A people unwilling to use violent force to defend liberty deserves the tyrant that rules them SP)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Exactly, use Rules for Radicals


10 posted on 03/07/2009 7:07:42 AM PST by mel
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To: SteamShovel
A constitutional lawyer said were it to be discovered that Mr. Obama is not a natural-born U.S.citizen, it would have grave consequences for the nation.

There are plenty out there there who feel that BO may very well be illegal as President, but also say that because of the consequences of acknowledging this, it is better to leave him alone.

I don't agree. I believe that riots (or worse) are preferable to an openly acknowledged unconstitutional President.

11 posted on 03/07/2009 7:10:59 AM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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To: ChildOfThe60s
I don't agree. I believe that riots (or worse) are preferable to an openly acknowledged unconstitutional President.

I think the risk of riots might be preferable to the slow economic strangulation that is in the works.

Then again.....

.....If they wait a little longer, there might not be any riots

.....There might be a celebration!

12 posted on 03/07/2009 7:16:02 AM PST by SteamShovel (Global Warming, the New Patriotism)
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To: AJMCQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1OOKLEJT5w


13 posted on 03/07/2009 7:17:00 AM PST by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: Texas Fossil
The economic collapse will not end until Obozo is out of office.

Maybe. If found inelligible, Plugs would replace Zero. But Harry Reid and 9 percent Nancy would still be writing the law (0bama hasn't vetoed anything yet, nor would Plugs). Face it, Pelosi and Reid are in charge of the country. Obama remains an empty suit.

However, confidence in the dems would plummet should Obama found to be inelligible. That might help some.

14 posted on 03/07/2009 7:17:09 AM PST by kidd (Obama: The triumph of hope over evidence)
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To: AJMCQ

So why would the consequences be “grave”?? Ignoring the economic condition of the country for a second (which the Democrats have been doing since 1936 anyway), the progression seems pretty clear to me: declare The One to be The Unqualified... he is stripped off the throne and Biden is sworn in to replace him. Biden then names a new Veep, and the country continues rolling along.... careening downhill as we had before, save for several inner-city riots.


15 posted on 03/07/2009 7:18:05 AM PST by alancarp (Ban all H1B visas and solve unemployment instantly -- for free.)
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To: AJMCQ

The most solid indication that there might be a legitimate reason for concern is the fact that Obama has expensive lawyers fighting efforts to force disclosure instead of simply ending the distraction by producing a valid birth cerificate.

Even if the courts and the Republican party don’t want to deal with the issue there are several states that may pass a law requiring candidates to document their eligibility to hold the office before they can be placed on the state ballot as candidates.

If just one state passes this type of law think what it could mean when the 2012 election gets started up.

I would like to see the requirement to provide proof of eligibility extended to the primaries as well.


16 posted on 03/07/2009 7:20:20 AM PST by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.)
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To: SteamShovel

Biden would take over. Is the lawyer implying Biden would be that much worse?


17 posted on 03/07/2009 7:21:15 AM PST by Dante3
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To: alancarp
Biden is an idiot.

0bama is a communist bent on destroying this Country.

I'll take my chance with the idiot.

18 posted on 03/07/2009 7:21:41 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (FUBO Kenyan Usurper - "Don't Tread On Me!!!")
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To: The Sons of Liberty

What I can’t understand is why he doesn’t cough up his original birth certificate if he has one. Jeepers, I had to show one when I applied for a job years ago. Everyone knows where their birth certificate is. Just produce the document and it is all over.

This makes me think that there is more to it than meets the eye.


19 posted on 03/07/2009 7:22:25 AM PST by Citizen Tom Paine (Swift as the wind; Calmly majestic as a forest; Steady as the mountains.)
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To: Need4Truth
until discontent with BO reaches critical mass.

His handlers should be reeling him in about now, but who knows. To the un-sheepled, it's already at critical mass. This guy has been too hands-off since the beginning and any questioning sends him off the deep end. Tin foil and all, but white granny never had any media exposure and died at a very convenient time. Notice too that black granny hasn't been talking to the media either since dropping the bombshell about him being born in Kenya. No one from his past is talking but Ayers but then he's about the only person who won't bow down to The Messiah because he knows full well it's all fake.

20 posted on 03/07/2009 7:24:17 AM PST by bgill
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To: Dante3

I would think the lawyer is implying that any law that Obama had signed would be invalid. But I don’t know, am not a lawyer (and like to think I have trouble thinking like one.)


21 posted on 03/07/2009 7:24:58 AM PST by freespirited (Help save humanity. Cure the RINOvirus.)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

I’m starting to believe that this is an issue that will be raised when the level of discontent has grown. It’s not going away.


22 posted on 03/07/2009 7:25:48 AM PST by ElayneJ
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To: AJMCQ

> Controversy continues...

Controversy continued for several years after “Gore really won, but lost”, too.

Noise does not equal legitimacy.


23 posted on 03/07/2009 7:27:32 AM PST by mquinn (Obama's supporters: a deliberate drowning of consciousness by means of rhythmic noise)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Agreed. IF we ignore the Constitution in this issue, we are opening the door to more and more like instances.
We must keep the heat on this issue. It is critical to the nation.

It’s time to take back the country.


24 posted on 03/07/2009 7:29:32 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: Need4Truth

The BC issue is waiting in the wings until discontent with BO reaches critical mass,

and it will sooner or later


25 posted on 03/07/2009 7:31:29 AM PST by chainsaw (If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's free! -- P.J..)
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To: bgill

To the un-sheepled, it’s already at critical mass.
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But not to the others. I think obama may have to disappoint his base before the BC issue really comes to light.


26 posted on 03/07/2009 7:31:30 AM PST by ElayneJ
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To: AJMCQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEnaAZrYqQI


27 posted on 03/07/2009 7:32:01 AM PST by danamco
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To: ElayneJ
"I’m starting to believe that this is an issue that will be raised when the level of discontent has grown. It’s not going away."

I think that you hit the nail on the head with that one. If unemployment was at 4% and the DOW at 15,000 nobody would care where the president was born as long as the good times kept rolling. But if unemployment hits 25% and the DOW is at a Jimmy Carter 747 level then the birth certificate will be the excuse used to be rid of the Kenyan Usurper. I wish that more people cared about the Constitution and the reasons the founding fathers created the government the way they did. But unfortunately the change people really want is the kind they keep in their back pockets.
28 posted on 03/07/2009 7:32:57 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Citizen Tom Paine
Initially, I didn't think this would really be an issue, but as he spent a lot of money (must be his solution for everything) and manuevered to dodge the issue, a Shakespeare quote occurred to me - "methinks he doth protest too much".

I think by now he has probably had a very good forgery put in place with the aid of some of his minions in Hawaii and if it is forced into the open, it will initially look valid and may pull off the ruse. He's already gotten this far by delaying and he may be able to get all the way through the term.

29 posted on 03/07/2009 7:33:18 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (FUBO Kenyan Usurper - "Don't Tread On Me!!!")
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To: SteamShovel
What happens when we do find out he's not eligible, besides running him out on the country on a rail? I'm not sure. Does Joe B. become the Pres with Nancy as VP? Does Joe B. become Pres and then pick a VP? Is there another election? Does the Gov’t pick another leader? What happens if he is ousted.
30 posted on 03/07/2009 7:36:21 AM PST by Mathews (Ambition, absent a moral compass, is naked destruction.)
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To: AJMCQ

Could it have anything to do with setting a precedent that anything other than the original BC is not valid proof of birth record? Until I see an ORIGINAL he ain’t my president.
Just asking because I don’t know. I do know cert. copies w/ a state seal are used all the time for other purposes. I don’t think a copy should be good enough for the office of president.

I still think an upside down Zero sticker needs to be our sign of protest. Damn sure make it alot easier to distinguish between the “US” and “THEMS”. Politics ought to be a real scary biz to be in right now. If POLITICIANS are smart at all they will show by their actions if allied with “US-We The People” or “them- those that would like to see this country move futher along the path to socialism”
Just the way I see it. A simple US and THEM.
What side are you on?


31 posted on 03/07/2009 7:39:50 AM PST by GringoSalado
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Notice how quiet the Dims and other Obama voters are right now? Silence is deafening.

My ears hurt.

32 posted on 03/07/2009 7:40:23 AM PST by NoRedTape
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To: SteamShovel
It's grave either way.....

At this point we're just feeding the alligator anyway. The hard core Obamaloons and ACORN types aren't going to allow Zero to lose even in an election. Even if he lost all 50 states they'll resort to violence.

Refusing to do anything out of a fear of violence is only putting off the inevitable. The civil war was a long time in coming but was only made worse by those who refused to deal with it 50 years earlier.
33 posted on 03/07/2009 7:40:30 AM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Citizen Tom Paine

Everyone knows where their birth certificate is. Just produce the document and it is all over.

He can’t because it says Born in a hut in Kenya.


34 posted on 03/07/2009 7:40:45 AM PST by chainsaw (If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's free! -- P.J..)
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To: GringoSalado
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35 posted on 03/07/2009 7:42:03 AM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: chainsaw

The issue may not be going away but for that matter it’s not going anywhere either.


36 posted on 03/07/2009 7:42:35 AM PST by marlon
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To: Dante3
Biden would take over. Is the lawyer implying Biden would be that much worse?

As an usurper, everything he does or has done is deemed void, including his choosing the VP Biden as running mate. That is why it is a Constitutional crisis that most people are turning "blind" eyes toward???

37 posted on 03/07/2009 7:46:33 AM PST by danamco
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To: Mathews

Does Joe B. become the Pres with Nancy as VP?

I suppose the democrats would want to appoint a VP, as Nancy’s job is too important for the VP job. . Voting would not be needed. The Dems might lose.


38 posted on 03/07/2009 7:47:41 AM PST by chainsaw (If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's free! -- P.J..)
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To: seniorobserver

What I found interesting is the picture of Zero’s Kenyan relatives, including his grandmother, in the Oval Office on Inauguation day.

My understanding is that the picture was just released, meaning that no one else (press included) was aware of their presence until they were long gone and back in Kenya, where the government refuses to let anyone ask any questions about their favorite son, Obama. And where his birthplace is a national monument, I read somewhere.

The Kenyan granny could no doubt be able to say ‘I saw him being born. I held him in the hospital (in Kenya) right after he was born’

And the visit to America was hidden until they (and Obama’s true birth story) were back under the protection of the Kenyan government.

The real atrocity here is not Obama per se, but the capablity of his enablers to control every aspect of his life history, to the point where no embarrassing secrets are leaked - and no truths, either. It is a remarkable feat that could not be accomplished without the willing help of a good many people.

This means that probably a lot of other things we are hearing ‘leaked’, like the camp business, the private police force, the plans to quell citizen uprising, may have more truth to them than I want to believe.

The machine that is the obama regime becomes more frightening every day.


39 posted on 03/07/2009 7:48:21 AM PST by SusaninOhio
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To: chainsaw

I suspect that Nancy would go down too unless she accepted a deal to keep from going to prison. After all she signed a good many of the papers proclaiming Zero to be a valid candidate.


40 posted on 03/07/2009 7:53:45 AM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: AJMCQ
When is a fellow student going to come forward and blow the lid off this whole thing? There must be ONE out there who remembers Barry Soetoro and doesn't like him!
41 posted on 03/07/2009 7:58:31 AM PST by WellyP (obama must go!)
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To: SteamShovel
"I don't agree. I believe that riots (or worse) are preferable to an openly acknowledged unconstitutional President."

100% Agreed!

Riots would be like a hurricane...a disaster, but recoverable. It make take months and a lot of money to rebuilt the caos and lawbreaking, but eventually the law will prevail and the mayhem will subside.

However, if we keep sitting on our fists and leaning back on our thumbs, CommieBama and his legion will systematically dismantle the Constitition and turn America into a third world dictatorship.

Yes, Princess Pelosi and her lap dog Dingy Harry will still be "in charge", but they are not as "protected" as CommieBama. They will not be shielded by a color-conscious media and a gang of entitlement-prone followers.

Actually, I think we NEED a good Constitutional crisis to jolt the star-struck slackers of America back to reality. The reality that America is still a land of laws, not men.

I've taken on a new greeting when I meet folks on the street...and it's not "Hi", or "What's Happening", or "how are you". I just smile and say, "Got your bailout check yet?". I reminds them and everyone in earshot that so far CommieBama is not an "empty" suit...he's just a suit of "hot air".

If they say, "No", I just say, "What? With the billions they have spent already, you didn't get yours?". I especially like to pull this on CommieBama supporters.

But, back to the subject at hand...hell yes, let's call this birth certificate debacle to a head. It should be "CommieBama...show it, or get OUT of the White House.".


42 posted on 03/07/2009 7:58:45 AM PST by FrankR (We are only enslaved to the extent of charity (bailout) we receive...think about it.)
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To: Texas Fossil
Funny, I needed birth certs to register my kids for little league. The least that arrogant unqualified archetypal bitter opportunistic race trader traitor could do.
43 posted on 03/07/2009 7:58:56 AM PST by LALALAW (one of the asses whose sick of our "ruling" classes)
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To: NoRedTape
Notice how quiet the Dims and other Obama voters are right now?

My wife's friends were talking the other day about Obama and the economy.

There are about 3 Obama voters and 6 who can't stand the guy.

One of the Obama voters sells home made soap on the internet. She was complaining about business dropping off.

When told that it was because Obama and the RATS are threatening socialism and spooking the markets, she said that the subject was depressing (where's the HOPE?) and "Let's talk about something else."

When faced with the consequences of their election choice, they always want to change the subject. They don't want to face the reality that capitalism works, socialism does not work, and that Obama is an anti-American radical with his hands firmly on the economic steering wheel purposely heading for the ditch.

44 posted on 03/07/2009 8:02:31 AM PST by SteamShovel (Global Warming, the New Patriotism)
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To: AJMCQ
I am convinced that if there were not problem the documentation disclosure would have taken place long ago. At this juncture, though, I don't expect any of the courts to do the right (constitutional) thing. The legal rationalization is that in acting on the citizenship issue the remedy would be more harmful to the republic than the injury.
45 posted on 03/07/2009 8:03:21 AM PST by Natural Law
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To: seniorobserver

Paranoid? No.

You are an astute observer.

I thought the exact same thing as you,
although I couldn’t articulate it as well
as you just did.


46 posted on 03/07/2009 8:08:05 AM PST by Semper Mark (Communism is Socialism with a gun to your head.)
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To: AJMCQ
Here is Gov (commerce secretary elect)Bill Richardson saying in Spanish that Obama is an "immigrant." (So he understands understands "immigrant" issues.)The context suggests that by "immigrant" bill richardson means "illegal immigrant"



Here in plain English is the Kenyan Ambassador saying that Obama is born in Kenya.

Obama Grandmother audio: Barack Born in Kenya http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlFc4wCpvSo

Obama Grandmother audio: Barack Born in Kenya

............

from obama's own site factcheck.org by way of fightthesmears on his dual citizenship at birth

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”
47 posted on 03/07/2009 8:11:08 AM PST by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: Natural Law

We must keep watching this. We will se a LOT of money coming in to fight it! ATTN Freepers in MO.!

Missouri Representative Wayne Cooper (R-Camdenton) has introduced HJR 34. It has 15 Republican co-sponsors. It requires presidential candidates to submit a Birth Certificate to the Secretary of State, and says a certificate of live birth is not an adequate substitute.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2199988/posts


48 posted on 03/07/2009 8:12:27 AM PST by WellyP (obama must go!)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Republicans have not and will not address the issue because they don’t want any thing to do with this economy. They don’t want to be held responsible. That’s why, in my opinion, they ran McCain. They knew he wouldn’t win and wanted to dump the economy on the democrats. Opening up Obama’s BC would put them in a bad spot.....in their opinion. What we need is people in Washington that have some guts. Start with your states.


49 posted on 03/07/2009 8:18:11 AM PST by RC2
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To: AJMCQ

This is no longer an issue.
SCOTUS will NOT do anything about it, because THEY swore Obama in with the knowledge that over 12 such suits were pending nation wide, two of which they refused to even hear prior to election day.

SCOTUS represented the last line of defense for our constitution. They blew it... effectively subjugating their power to the president and now fully dominate congress.

THE CONSTITUTION IS NO LONGER RELEVANT!
If this is not abundantly clear by now, then people just need to WAKE UP!

It is now nothing more than a tool to be interpreted how the powers that be (democrat-socialist party) need it to be interpreted. It is no longer the law of the land... it is the RUSE of the land... because it is has not been applied equally and literally. (and I’m not just talking about the BC issue... the BC issue was just the icing on the cake)

As LONG as democrats are in power, you can FORGET about this issue! If Republicans take the the senate and house in 2010, then MAYBE... just MAYBE... something can be done about it


50 posted on 03/07/2009 8:34:13 AM PST by Safrguns
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