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FIREARM OWNERS ID-INSURANCE
Illinois General Assembly ^ | 2/6/2009 | Kenneth Dunkin

Posted on 03/07/2009 10:50:50 AM PST by Bullpine

Amends the Firearm Owners Identification Card Act. Provides that any person who owns a firearm in this State shall maintain a policy of liability insurance in the amount of at least $1,000,000 specifically covering any damages resulting from negligent or willful acts involving the use of such firearm while it is owned by such person.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: antigun; banglist; lping; secondamendament
If passed in Illinois, every state will follow suit.
1 posted on 03/07/2009 10:50:51 AM PST by Bullpine
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To: Bullpine
It will NOT pass in Arkansas.
2 posted on 03/07/2009 10:53:30 AM PST by spectre
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To: Bullpine

Fine, media outlets need to carry Libel & Slander insurance.


3 posted on 03/07/2009 10:54:12 AM PST by Spirochete
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To: Bullpine
If passed in Illinois, every state will follow suit.

Not a chance in hell it passes here in Texas.

4 posted on 03/07/2009 10:54:18 AM PST by Shady Ray
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To: Bullpine

This is total Bulls**t

In every state, the Plaintiff Lawyer Lobby (Those who sue you for damages) will instantly file a suit against anyone who shoots another—regardless of how justified that shooting is.

We who are prudent already have this coverage


5 posted on 03/07/2009 10:56:04 AM PST by radar101
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To: Bullpine
That's the idea, isn't it.

It's all about money and power. It always has been, it always will be.

As long as America is armed, certain people feel uncomfortable because they can't do whatever they want with impunity. It's all about power, and anyone proposing such laws is either an ignorant tool or a socialist bastard.

6 posted on 03/07/2009 10:56:17 AM PST by Red6
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To: Bullpine

If the gun grabbers can’t ban guns, they’ll try to tax and regulate them out of existence.


7 posted on 03/07/2009 10:56:23 AM PST by America2012
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To: Bullpine
$1,000,000 specifically covering any damages resulting from negligent or willful acts involving the use of such firearm while it is owned by such person.

I can't envision any insurance company paying for willfull or negligent acts with a firearm. It's hard enough getting coverage for stolen guns.

8 posted on 03/07/2009 10:58:35 AM PST by umgud (I'm really happy I wasn't aborted)
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To: Bullpine

Some l;ittle gun hating sissy must sit in a closet all day playing with himself and coming up with these half azzed ideas.

Whoever came up with this needs to be dragged out by the scrotum and get the crap kicked out of them.


9 posted on 03/07/2009 10:59:26 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Bullpine
How about a $1,000,000 insurance policy for every act of legislative madness? Now there's something we could all use.


  2010: Send the bastards home  


10 posted on 03/07/2009 10:59:43 AM PST by NonValueAdded (May God save America from its government; this is no time for Obamateurs. Emmanuel = Haldeman?)
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To: Bullpine

What a load of crap.

Surprise Massachusetts didn’t think of this first.

Be cheaper to mandate wearing of t-shirts saying, ‘I’m unarmed. Feel free to rob or rape me.’


11 posted on 03/07/2009 11:01:00 AM PST by OpeEdMunkey (We seem to have reached a critical mass of stupid people.)
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To: Bullpine

Ah yes.......let’s only allow rich people to have guns.....sort of like we used to do in the old south, ya know...Jim Crow and all that.


12 posted on 03/07/2009 11:01:28 AM PST by JoeDetweiler
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To: Bullpine

If they can’t demand ID for exercising voting rights, because the very poor could be disenfranchised, then how can they demand ANY fee for exercising a persons second ammendment rights, especially something expensive like this?


13 posted on 03/07/2009 11:03:43 AM PST by Travis T. OJustice (Change is not a destination, just as hope is not a strategy. FUBO!)
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To: Bullpine

Not a chance in hell it’s even considered in Illinois. Geez.


15 posted on 03/07/2009 11:08:24 AM PST by Seven plus One
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To: Bullpine

Besides the issues of cost and availability, the gun insurance requirement is also a means of tracking gun ownership. It will require gun owners to either willfully violate the insurance law, subjecting themselves to criminal penalties (what are the chances that an overzealous police chief decides that there will be insurance card checks, and making impromptu visits to shooting ranges or hunting venues), or self-report ownership, which is one more incremental step towards first state, and then national registration.


16 posted on 03/07/2009 11:11:17 AM PST by KAUAIBOUND (Hawaii - paradise infested with left-wing cockroaches and centipedes)
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To: spectre

..nor in Alaska. Our 2nd Ammendment Task Force, which is a growing movement, will make sure of that.


17 posted on 03/07/2009 11:16:34 AM PST by ArmyTeach ("Significant problems we face can not be solved by the same level of thinking that created them")
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To: Seven plus One
"...the Right of the People to keep and bear Arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED."

End of discussion. Period.

;-/

18 posted on 03/07/2009 11:17:52 AM PST by Gargantua ("Shall Not Be Infringed")
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To: Spirochete
Fine, media outlets need to carry Libel & Slander insurance.

I'd say that (under the liberal reasoning behind this requirement) anyone who wishes to exercise their free speech rights can be banned from speaking unless they have that insurance.

19 posted on 03/07/2009 11:20:32 AM PST by TurtleUp (Turtle up: cancel optional spending until 2012, and boycott TARP/stimulus companies forever!)
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To: Red6

I think their goal is to make owning a firearm an expensive pain in the neck that many can’t afford.


20 posted on 03/07/2009 11:23:21 AM PST by peeps36 ( Al Gore. Is A Big Fat Lying Hypocrite. He Pollutes The Air By Opening His Big Mouth)
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To: SonOfPyrodex
We'll be the last armed state left in the USSA. Until we leave, that is.

I am afraid you are right...thanfully, if my range here in Ft. Worth is any indication, it may be a while before they get rid of us.

21 posted on 03/07/2009 11:30:48 AM PST by Shady Ray
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To: OpeEdMunkey
I carry a supply of these with me when out in public and, when I run into some dork who’s on the wrong side of the RTKABA thing, I simply hand him one of these and suggest that he pin it to his lapel every time he leaves home. Really pisses ‘em off but, so far at least, I haven’t had one of ‘em draw on me.

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22 posted on 03/07/2009 11:41:29 AM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: peeps36
Of course it is.

That's how you do it. Do you really think they will take a big fat red marker and just cross out the second amendment?

-You create bureaucratic hurdles for those making, selling, buying, owning the firearms.

-You create cost prohibitive barriers for those making, selling, buying owning the firearms.

That's what it's about. The real underlying idea is that some in government think you should not have a right to bear arms and the idea is that with a thousand small little paper cuts and fees you the average Joe won't have that “Right” anymore, except on paper. The Constitution is being shat upon (In the spirit of what it means) by these folk who then use the force of law once they push their agenda through.

23 posted on 03/07/2009 11:49:48 AM PST by Red6
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To: Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; Allerious; ...
Provides that any person who owns a firearm in this State shall maintain a policy of liability insurance in the amount of at least $1,000,000 ...



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24 posted on 03/07/2009 11:51:50 AM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: Bullpine
Can we then bring back the poll tax? Only those who can afford it, will be able to vote.
You know, one constitutional right for another, what's the diff?
25 posted on 03/07/2009 12:06:51 PM PST by jeffc (They're coming to take me away! Ha-ha, hey-hey, ho-ho!)
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To: radar101
This is total Bulls**t In every state, the Plaintiff Lawyer Lobby (Those who sue you for damages) will instantly file a suit against anyone who shoots another—regardless of how justified that shooting is.

What is it the Swiss told the German Nazi's when the Krauts told the Swiss they had an army twice the population of Switzerland. It went something like then we'll have to shoot twice. That was the end of the Nazi's designs on Switzerland.

26 posted on 03/07/2009 12:10:22 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: JoeDetweiler

......or those who obey the law.


27 posted on 03/07/2009 12:14:30 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Bullpine
Take a look at the bill's sponsor.

Representative Kenneth Dunkin (D)5th District

5th district map

This is a Chicago District. I bet Dunkin's constituents who want them have guns and I bet they are and will continue to be unregistered and uninsured. This is just like US Rep. Bobby Rush(Also from Chicago) and his HR45 gun grab.

28 posted on 03/07/2009 12:33:09 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Spirochete

They do but it’s almost impossible to win a judgment against them if your a public figure and they get to make you a public figure.


29 posted on 03/07/2009 12:59:46 PM PST by airedale ( XZ)
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To: umgud

They do pay for negligent acts but it’s against the rules to pay for intentional acts. It creates a moral hazard. Standard exclusion.


30 posted on 03/07/2009 1:01:42 PM PST by airedale ( XZ)
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To: Bullpine

I won’t post what time I think it is, if that passes Constitutional muster.


31 posted on 03/07/2009 1:05:44 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Obama: Carter's only chance to avoid going down in history as the worst U.S. president ever.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Take a look at the bill's sponsor...

Its one and only sponsor. This is another one of those bills destined to evaporate in commitee. Chicago reps seem to dream this bullshit up to demonstrate their bona fides to the City establishment. Rush's bill also has never had a chance, never will. The only place they have any kind of life is here on FR, where they're re-posted on schedule. It's obama and the justice dept. we had better beware of right now, not red herrings like these "bills".

32 posted on 03/07/2009 1:10:17 PM PST by Seven plus One
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To: Bullpine

If passed in Illinois, every state will follow suit.

NOT IN TEXAS...


33 posted on 03/07/2009 1:13:17 PM PST by JohnD9207 (Lead...follow...or get the HELL out of the way!)
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To: Bullpine

It also won’t work in Indiana.


34 posted on 03/07/2009 1:14:16 PM PST by Rappini ("Pro deo et Patria.)
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To: Bullpine

FOID’s are not required in New Hampshire nor in most states. We have a slightly different spin on the 2nd Amendment here: we see it as insurance against tyranny.


35 posted on 03/07/2009 1:17:04 PM PST by andy58-in-nh (You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life.)
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To: Gargantua

36 posted on 03/07/2009 1:19:23 PM PST by andy58-in-nh (You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life.)
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To: Seven plus One

Its one and only sponsor. Rush’s bill also is a one sponsor bill. I agree there is little chance, but I do not agree raising hell about these bills is unimportant. Politicians are sensitive to hot button issues and they only know if they are told.


37 posted on 03/07/2009 1:30:41 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Bullpine

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38 posted on 03/07/2009 6:14:18 PM PST by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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To: Shady Ray

Agreed. Texas is pretty level-headed about gun rights.


39 posted on 03/12/2009 9:18:44 PM PDT by Texas Colonel
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To: Bullpine

They want to do this on a federal level by attaching this to HR 45, then attaching HR 45 to a Federal Gun control bill with an AWB/Semi auto weapon ban and ammunition stamping/registration


40 posted on 03/12/2009 10:46:10 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: OpeEdMunkey

I’m surprised Kalifornyet didn’t think of it first.


41 posted on 03/12/2009 10:48:02 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Gargantua

“...the Right of the People to keep and bear Arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.” End of discussion. Period.

My thoughts exactly!


42 posted on 03/13/2009 4:23:01 AM PDT by mr_hammer ("Before you were formed in the womb, I knew you")
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To: KAUAIBOUND
Besides the issues of cost and availability, the gun insurance requirement is also a means of tracking gun ownership. It will require gun owners to either willfully violate the insurance law, subjecting themselves to criminal penalties (what are the chances that an overzealous police chief decides that there will be insurance card checks, and making impromptu visits to shooting ranges or hunting venues), or self-report ownership, which is one more incremental step towards first state, and then national registration.
Illinois already mandates self-reporting through the FOID act.

Created in 1968, FOID identifies persons eligible to possess and acquire firearms and firearm ammunition. Illinois residents who acquire or possess firearm or firearm ammunition within the State must have in their possession a valid Firearm Owner's Identification (FOID) card issued in his or her name. Not only that, but Illinois' UUW law makes CCW a felony (except for certain politicians), and does not preempt local ordinances banning firearms. Residents and non-residents alike are often prosecuted under restrictive local firearm ordinances, particularly in Cook County.

In Illinois, some pellet guns and all muzzleloaders and blackpowder guns are considered firearms

43 posted on 03/14/2009 12:48:52 PM PDT by Nonesuch
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