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Why some conservatives are backing Obama (flashback)
San Fransicso Gate ^ | 07/07/2008 | Carolyn Lochhead

Posted on 03/08/2009 4:08:28 AM PDT by LifeComesFirst

"I do know libertarians who think Obama is the Antichrist, that he's farther left than John Kerry, much farther left than Bill Clinton, and you'd clearly have to be insane to vote for this guy," said David Boaz, executive vice president of the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank. "But there are libertarians who say, 'Oh yeah? Do you think Obama will increase spending by $1 trillion, because that's what Republicans did over the past two presidential terms. So really, how much worse can he be?' And there are certainly libertarians who think Obama will be better on the war and on foreign policy, on executive power and on surveillance than McCain."

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I thought it would be a good time to take a look back at almost a year ago. I wonder what these.....people.....think of Obama now......

Guys? Any second thoughts? Ready to admit that you were hoodwinked by a smooth-talking Chicago thug?

1 posted on 03/08/2009 4:08:28 AM PDT by LifeComesFirst
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To: LifeComesFirst
How about $6 TRILLION in 50 days, you morons!!
2 posted on 03/08/2009 4:14:34 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet ("To insist on strength is not war-mongering. It is peace-mongering." Barry Goldwater)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

These people are idiots and traitors, we need to keep names and hold them accountable. Do not listen to them in the future, don’t buy their books or read their articles. Especially any scum calling themselves “pro-life” while endorsing a monstrously pro-infanticide butcher like Obama.


3 posted on 03/08/2009 4:17:37 AM PDT by LifeComesFirst (Until the unborn are free, nobody is free)
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To: LifeComesFirst

Let them eat crow.


4 posted on 03/08/2009 4:20:21 AM PDT by AlexW (Now in the Philippines . Happy not to be back in the USA for now.)
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To: LifeComesFirst
Wow. Just amazing. I would love to hear what these foolish snobs have to say today.

It actually turned my stomach to read the quotes from these clowns.

5 posted on 03/08/2009 4:21:35 AM PDT by Post5203 (0bama is the Jim Jones of the new century.)
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To: LifeComesFirst

The people in this article cited as to their reasons for voting for Obama come across as bitter persons. They voted for and reasoned for Obama resulting from their own personal bitterness. The personal became political.


6 posted on 03/08/2009 4:24:30 AM PDT by Alia
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To: LifeComesFirst
"So really, how much worse can he be?"

Anybody that hasn't seen the answer to that question already is certifiably brain-dead!

7 posted on 03/08/2009 4:24:39 AM PDT by meyer (Obama is to the USA as Mugabe is to Zimbabwe.)
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To: LifeComesFirst

Um, let’s not forget the people here on FR and even certain radio and print true conservatives who stupidly argued that Obama would be as bad as McCain and that we needed another Carter so we could get another Reagan.


8 posted on 03/08/2009 4:30:42 AM PDT by dinoparty
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To: Post5203
Wow. Just amazing. I would love to hear what these foolish snobs have to say today.

While he isn't one of these particular foolish snobs, my brother in law (who's been living well off my sister's paycheck and his own investments) has turned leftward over the last couple of years. He still reads the New York Times, he believes in the myth of global warming (belongs to the Sierra Club), and he thinks that "the era of small government" is over. He thinks that government spending is going to pull us out of the recession.

3 weeks ago, over a few scotches, he admitted that he was a liberal. Needless to say, he's off my list of people that I want to visit. Fortunately, my other brother-in-law is much more sane on such issues.

9 posted on 03/08/2009 4:31:19 AM PDT by meyer (Obama is to the USA as Mugabe is to Zimbabwe.)
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To: dinoparty

oops ... I meant “who argued that McCain would be as bad as Obama”


10 posted on 03/08/2009 4:32:04 AM PDT by dinoparty
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To: LifeComesFirst
Douglas Kmiec is former chief of the Office of Legal Counsel in the Reagan and George H.W. Bush administrations, and now a constitutional law professor at Pepperdine University and a devout Catholic. Kmiec endorsed Obama earlier this year, despite his conviction that Obama "believes in a pretty progressive agenda."

"With friends like these..."

Don't blame the moon-bat faction of the libertarian's for McIdiots loss. The only reason John got my vote was Palin.

11 posted on 03/08/2009 4:33:23 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Te odeo, interfice te cochleare)
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To: Alia

They heard what they wanted to hear. They bizarrely imagined that Obama would be like Clinton (forgetting that had it not been for the 94 elections spurring the redesign of his whole administration, Clinton would have been another Carter).

I just hope they feel really, really stupid. I hope they realize they have the blood of the unborn on their hands. I can’t imagine campaigning on behalf of a politician who would ease restrictions on infanticide, and still having the nerve to call myself pro-life.


12 posted on 03/08/2009 4:33:45 AM PDT by LifeComesFirst (Until the unborn are free, nobody is free)
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To: LifeComesFirst
A True Conservative would have “NEVER” backed, much less, voted for Barack. His ChiCAgo style politics, his books, his background all pointed to his SOCIALISTIC views. The Conservatives I know, been acquainted with, and believe in their Ideologies knew this about B.O.

Oh, and this not include the question - WHO IS BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA? WHO IS THIS MAN? Everything has been locked down and no access is allowed to anything about this so-called community leader - SO, who is BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA?

WAKE UP AMERICA!!!
13 posted on 03/08/2009 4:34:28 AM PDT by Paige ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing," Edmund Burke)
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To: LifeComesFirst

A Pennsylvania Dutch expression comes to mind...’Too late smart’.


14 posted on 03/08/2009 4:48:32 AM PDT by JPG
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bookmark


15 posted on 03/08/2009 4:58:25 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (COTUS 2A should be the USA's ONLY gun law.)
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To: LifeComesFirst

Need a few changes...

1. “Qualified Elector” should be any US Citizen, over the age of 18 who is NOT on the public dole at any level, with the exception of Social Security and Medicaire.

2. Term Limits on ALL elected Federal offices; three terms for Representatives and ONE term for Senators. No cushy benefits, no imperial congress, no retirement plan.

3. Line Item veto for the POTUS

4. Rule Change in the Congress to restrict each bill to a SINGLE issue; no more piling on amendments with no bearing just to get support. Each bill should stand on its own merits.

5. ALL bills that involve the expenditure of funds should require 60% votes in both the House and Senate.

6. Election of Senators should be returned to the various State Legislatures. Reps should be the voice of the PEOPLE, and Senators should be the voice of the STATE, just as was originally planned.


16 posted on 03/08/2009 5:00:50 AM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: PubliusMM

Excellent suggestions...perhaps they should be printed up as fliers for distribution at all these tax rallies currently gaining popularity across the nation.


17 posted on 03/08/2009 5:15:58 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: LifeComesFirst
Exit polls say 26 percent of American voters called themselves evangelical or born-again Christians, and of these, 74 percent voted for McCain, with 25 percent voting for Obama.

http://blog.christianitytoday.com/ctpolitics/2008/11/the_evangelical.html

That's nearly 8,000,000 Obama votes.

18 posted on 03/08/2009 5:18:20 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: Paige

Amen!


19 posted on 03/08/2009 5:18:42 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: PubliusMM

Why the exception for Soshcurity and Medicare? Getting the beneficiaries of those two Ponzi schemes off the voters’ rolls would be of enormous benefit to society.

Electors should be: a male, married to and living with the woman who is the mother of all his children.


20 posted on 03/08/2009 5:20:48 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: who knows what evil?

The world is welcome to them. Use them as you see fit.

I raise them regularly with the elected reps who are suppose to have my interests at heart, but...

It’s going to take millions of us, all singing from the same page in the hymnal, if we are going to achieve the fundamental change this government requires, IMO.

If we can’t settle on a short slate of demands, we’ll never get anywhere. A list such as this one should be a starting point. We should have a few major items on which to focus. Once those have been settled, then we can move on to other issues as well.


21 posted on 03/08/2009 5:22:07 AM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: LifeComesFirst

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22 posted on 03/08/2009 5:23:15 AM PDT by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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To: LifeComesFirst

They would never admit it if they did regret it.

They went out on a political limb and their ego won’t let them admit to themselves or anyone else that they were wrong. Dead wrong.


23 posted on 03/08/2009 5:26:18 AM PDT by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristoferrson VIVA LA REVOLUTION!)
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To: PubliusMM

Let me tweak that to add that the pay of members of Congress should either be abolished OR tied directly to the growth of the economy, as they do in Singapore I believe.

Also, a balanced budget amendment whereby all expenditures cannot exceed tax revenue. In order to borrow money by issuing bonds (or any other means of borrowing money) a two-thirds majority vote is required in both houses. In this way, deficit spending ought to be limited only to those emergency situations where most people can agree it is needed.


24 posted on 03/08/2009 5:27:35 AM PDT by LifeComesFirst (Until the unborn are free, nobody is free)
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To: Ken H

I imagine a lot of those votes were from black church goers. Many black people I talk to have this Catholic, works-oriented attitude towards faith. They can have kids out of wedlock, all kinds of sin, etc., so long as they are in that church every Sunday they are saved. No, lurking DUers, that’s not a stereotype, that’s an observation based on my experience, so go argue with my experience if you don’t like it.

Anyway, many people are personally against abortion but support keeping it legal. This attitude wouldn’t withstand five minutes of scrutiny, but there you have it. Tyranny of the status quo.


25 posted on 03/08/2009 5:32:59 AM PDT by LifeComesFirst (Until the unborn are free, nobody is free)
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To: LifeComesFirst

Let’s not forget the dubious Ken Duberstein, the former Reagan chief of staff who endorsed Obama at the last minute. A week before the election, the fat cat lobbyist came out for the heavily favored Obama while dumping all over Sarah Palin. How convenient.

Duberstein is probably delighted with the trillion-dollar budget-busting president. As a high profile supporter of the Obama campaign, he can get high White House officials on the phone. The ever-flexible lobbyist will grow even richer as government swells to a mindblowing size.


26 posted on 03/08/2009 5:34:58 AM PDT by heye2monn
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To: dinoparty
Um, let’s not forget the people here on FR and even certain radio and print true conservatives who stupidly argued that Obama would be as bad as McCain and that we needed another Carter so we could get another Reagan.

They will still hold out hope that some white knight will come riding in to save the day.

I say they are short-sighted, all-or-nothing conservatives whose 'purity' rules are destroying our movement.

27 posted on 03/08/2009 5:35:50 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: LifeComesFirst
Guys? Any second thoughts? Ready to admit that you were hoodwinked by a smooth-talking Chicago thug?

For what it is worth, I went back and re-read the first posting of this article to Free Republic back in July of 2008 (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2041681/posts). From what I see, those postings didn't reflect any support from anyone at Free Republic at that time for Mr. Obama.

28 posted on 03/08/2009 5:39:35 AM PDT by snowsislander (NRA -- join today! 1-877-NRA-2000)
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To: LifeComesFirst
This article is utterly fascinating for what it reveals about the psychology of the American voter. It is truly surprising that conservative elites were no less vulnerable to Barak Obama's Saul Alinsky two step than were guilty white liberals.

Here is a post I wrote six months before the election outlining the reasons why Obama campaigned as an empty suit. I should have added that the ploy was equally effective against elites as against liberals and uninvolved undecideds:

The American left, indeed the international left, is a hodgepodge of mutually inconsistent plans and programs which history has demonstrated cannot work. Leftists persist in their leftism because they believe that they are smarter than everybody else. Which really means," I am smarter than all the leftists who've come before and failed with this idea." The glue which holds leftism together when it should splinter apart because of its mutually inconsistent precepts, because it has shopped the entire country to ravening special-interest groups, is their idea that Republicans/conservatives are racists and they are not.

As long as we are racists and they are not, the left need not face up to its own looniness. This is why the left reacts so vehemently to politically incorrect racist remarks.... The coin of this political race card is white guilt.

Now comes Obama. As one black writer has pointed out, he has made a tacit deal with white liberal America: you support me blindly and I will in turn refrain from rubbing America's nose in its history of slavery and segregation. You can expiate your white guilt by voting for me. But Obama has to hold up his end of the deal, he must not rub our noses in our sins like Jesse Jackson or Reverend Al. As long as he was seen to be an empty suit-offering no reproach to America-we were comfortable with him.

Now comes The Right Reverend Wright. He has broken the deal. This is why Obama had to disown him. Wright rubs our noses in racism. To a conservative his crazy allegations are so bizarre that it makes not much sense and doesn't change the equation. We don't buy into this AIDS in Africa business, for example. But for a liberal, Reverend Wright's allegations are not bizarre but actually within the realm of intellectual respectability. We can dismiss them, but the left cannot because much of it comes right out of their own catechism.

What about the great mass in the middle? The moderates, the undecideds, the people who don't follow politics until after Labor Day, the folks who permit the likes of Barbara Walters or Oprah Winfrey to persuade them, what about them, the people who actually decide our elections? These decent folks don't want to be racists. They are always looking for a savior because they will tell you, "I always vote for the man." They shrink from the very idea of voting based on ideology. So an empty suit is no problem for them as long as he is also a savior. Obama was a savior. More, he was an empty vessel into which we could pour all of our yearnings and our simplistic hopes about the political process.


29 posted on 03/08/2009 5:48:17 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Arthur McGowan
"Electors should be: a male, married to and living with the woman who is the mother of all his children."

Agreed! But the favored constituents and leaders of both political parties are way too far to the left to accept that.


30 posted on 03/08/2009 5:49:48 AM PDT by familyop (combat engineer (combat), National Guard, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: PubliusMM

I couldn’t agree more...a short concise ‘laundry list’ as you suggested is something we can all get behind.


31 posted on 03/08/2009 5:56:37 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: LifeComesFirst
I imagine a lot of those votes were from black church goers. Many black people I talk to have this Catholic, works-oriented attitude towards faith. They can have kids out of wedlock, all kinds of sin, etc., so long as they are in that church every Sunday they are saved.

You've gotten it exactly backwards. It's Roman Catholics who believe that works (refraining from sin) independent of faith (proclaiming they are saved) is the path to salvation. Protestants reject that and believe that salvation comes as a result of divine grace & is unconditonal, regardless of the sins, "mortal" or otherwise, they have committed on this earth. Most African-Americans in this country are Protestants & what you describe is in fact compatible with their Protestantism.

32 posted on 03/08/2009 5:58:18 AM PDT by leilani
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To: leilani

Well I think you have Protestant theology confused. In any case, I go by what the Bible says.


33 posted on 03/08/2009 6:00:29 AM PDT by LifeComesFirst (Until the unborn are free, nobody is free)
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To: Paige
WHO IS BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA?

I'll take "Manchurian candidate" for $500, Paige.

Doing Soros' bidding to the end.

34 posted on 03/08/2009 6:04:23 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: LifeComesFirst

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEnaAZrYqQI


35 posted on 03/08/2009 6:17:10 AM PDT by danamco
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To: JimRed

He’s (half)black;thats all most of his coven care about.


36 posted on 03/08/2009 6:17:59 AM PDT by pistolpetestoys (Sarah ROCKS!!!!!)
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To: LifeComesFirst
Well I think you have Protestant theology confused. In any case, I go by what the Bible says.

LOL. This conflict was what the whole Enlightenment was all about!

((Sigh).

Protestantism vs. Roman Catholicism & the Faith versus Works Debate

37 posted on 03/08/2009 6:25:26 AM PDT by leilani
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To: meyer

Beware of Scotch drinkers! Real conservatives drink Bourbon 8o)


38 posted on 03/08/2009 6:33:33 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Change has come to America and all hope is gone.)
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To: RipSawyer
Beware of Scotch drinkers! Real conservatives drink Bourbon 8o)

Woah!! I partake of Scotch on occasion. But I use it in moderation, lest it decrease my conservative mindset!

39 posted on 03/08/2009 6:50:07 AM PDT by meyer (Obama is to the USA as Mugabe is to Zimbabwe.)
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To: RipSawyer

You must be joking. A good single malt scotch beats bourbon any time of day and any day of the week.


40 posted on 03/08/2009 6:56:08 AM PDT by Maine Mariner
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To: Maine Mariner

I know how to stir up a controversy, don’t I?


41 posted on 03/08/2009 7:11:10 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Change has come to America and all hope is gone.)
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To: LifeComesFirst
We The People warming up to take our country back!
42 posted on 03/08/2009 7:12:13 AM PDT by DTogo (Time to bring back the Sons of Liberty.)
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To: 2harddrive
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43 posted on 03/08/2009 7:19:57 AM PDT by LouD
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To: LifeComesFirst
"But there are libertarians who say, 'Oh yeah? Do you think Obama will increase spending by $1 trillion, because that's what Republicans did over the past two presidential terms.

In a period of less than 2 months, Obama has spent 3.6 to 4 trillion into debt. And I still may be behind in my count.

I can't believe anyone believed this nonsense at the time...

44 posted on 03/08/2009 7:25:11 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: LifeComesFirst
"I just hope they feel really, really stupid. I hope they realize they have the blood of the unborn on their hands."

No, these infants are now blaming us for what they did. They cannot accept personal responsibility for their own actions. It is always someone else's fault.

That is why they are called "useful idiots".

45 posted on 03/08/2009 8:02:30 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Sarah Palin...Unleashing the Fury of the Castrated Left!")
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To: RipSawyer

Yes, but I must admit my wife recently bought some bourbon a few weeks ago and I do like it.


46 posted on 03/08/2009 8:11:31 AM PDT by Maine Mariner
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To: LifeComesFirst
These people are like a family where the kids are allowed to elect parents. Candidates come in and campaign for the position. The ones who promise the most ice cream, least homework, best cell phone plan, most secretive access to the Internet, minimum chores, etc. get the nod. Then it is time for the family to live with their selection. Soon they have none of what was promised. The kids were just too immature to realize that what sounds good can often be very difficult to deliver. And they learn that, as onerous as their replaced parents rules and policies were, they had come from years and years of experience.

I have never watched The Simpsons episode, but I suspect from what I've gathered from articles and the like that America has elected Homer and the Mrs. as POTUS. Feel free to suggest another cartoon couple is I missed the mark with the Simpsons!

47 posted on 03/08/2009 8:17:53 AM PDT by jwpjr (Sigh)
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To: Arthur McGowan

Hey, I played by the rules. Rules I didn’t make and rules I don’t care for, but rules none the less. I get both, why should I be punished for the mistakes of others, some long before I was born?

Every payday for the nearly 60 years that I worked money was taken from me without my consent. I would gladly have had that money in my pocket all those years rather than being sucked out before I even saw it, along with many dollars from my employer, and I was taxed on it even though I didn’t have it.

Turns out it wasn’t as great a deal as those who envisioned it thought it would be. For one thing it wasn’t long before it wasn’t what they had envisioned in the first place.

I agree the system stinks, but it’s what was forced on me for a lifetime of work and I played by the rules.


48 posted on 03/08/2009 8:25:15 AM PDT by jwpjr (Sigh)
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To: LifeComesFirst

For that to happen, they’d have to know what is “shame”. For the past 40 years, liberals have been turning that emotion sane people know as shame into a pedophilic trophy. Therefore, they cannot experience shame. Shame to them, is a turn on.


49 posted on 03/08/2009 3:14:59 PM PDT by Alia
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To: LifeComesFirst

The balanced budget is a grand idea, along with the two-thirds required for passage to sell debt. I like it.


50 posted on 03/08/2009 5:55:43 PM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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