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5 shot at Illinois church, police say
CNN ^ | 3/08/09 | cnn

Posted on 03/08/2009 9:10:56 AM PDT by armymarinemom

(CNN) -- Five people, including a church pastor, were shot inside the First Baptist Church of Maryville, Illinois, a police dispatcher told CNN on Sunday.

The shooting occurred during a church service, the dispatcher said. The suspect was stabbed by parishioners who wrestled him to the ground.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: banglist; baptist; churchattack; churchshooting; fredwinters; freedom; illinois; maryville; pastor; sedlacek; shooting; tm
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1 posted on 03/08/2009 9:10:56 AM PDT by armymarinemom
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To: armymarinemom

Prayers for the wounded and families of the injured or killed.


2 posted on 03/08/2009 9:13:05 AM PDT by SeminoleSoldier
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To: armymarinemom

One of the largest churches in the Phoenix metro area recently held a CCW class AT the church. There were more than 120 people in attendance. At first I thought they held the class because of interest and demand, but I wonder now if it might also be a way to help insure something like this doesn’t take place there.


3 posted on 03/08/2009 9:14:46 AM PDT by ChocChipCookie ("Let his days be few, and let another take his office." Psalm 109:8)
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To: armymarinemom
Church must be in a rough neighborhood! Someone pulls out a gun, and the parishioners pull out their shivs!
4 posted on 03/08/2009 9:17:17 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: armymarinemom

http://www.fbmaryville.org/aboutus/welcome.cfm


5 posted on 03/08/2009 9:18:35 AM PDT by LA Woman3
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To: ChocChipCookie

I have been hearing about more and more Church’s having security.


6 posted on 03/08/2009 9:18:37 AM PDT by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghan Honor Roll students.)
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To: armymarinemom

It doesn’t say whether anyone was arrested or whether the perp was carried out dead.


7 posted on 03/08/2009 9:19:15 AM PDT by arthurus ( H.L. Mencken said, "Every election is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen goods.")
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Honestly we have a low crime rate in Maine but a lot of people carry leatherman tools.


8 posted on 03/08/2009 9:19:42 AM PDT by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghan Honor Roll students.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
Church must be in a rough neighborhood! Someone pulls out a gun, and the parishioners pull out their shivs!

That's what I first thought. Now I'm not so sure.

Here's a photo of the pastor and his family from the church's web page.

I'm guessing this isn't one of those thugged-out urban churches.

9 posted on 03/08/2009 9:21:56 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: armymarinemom

I couldn’t find a picture of the church at the website, but here’s “Meet our pastor”:

http://www.fbmaryville.org/aboutus/welcome.cfm


10 posted on 03/08/2009 9:22:05 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: armymarinemom

Is the perp’s name Mohammed?


11 posted on 03/08/2009 9:22:10 AM PDT by newfreep ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." - P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: armymarinemom

Can’t this be considered terrorism under the new laws of Homeland Security?


12 posted on 03/08/2009 9:22:30 AM PDT by md2576 (Power Corrupts: Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely.)
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To: Drew68

You beat me to it.


13 posted on 03/08/2009 9:22:44 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

"You brought a knife to a gunfight?!!"

14 posted on 03/08/2009 9:23:06 AM PDT by Bratch
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To: armymarinemom

We go to a large church with multiple services, but they make sure there are people in each service with CCW permits that do carry...some folks are on staff, some just part of the volunteer security detail.


15 posted on 03/08/2009 9:24:34 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: armymarinemom

I thought that Illinois gun laws prevented this from happening?


16 posted on 03/08/2009 9:25:12 AM PDT by BulletBobCo
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To: Cicero

What a nice looking family. Prayers going out to everyone.


17 posted on 03/08/2009 9:25:46 AM PDT by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghan Honor Roll students.)
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To: Cicero

18 posted on 03/08/2009 9:26:21 AM PDT by LA Woman3
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To: armymarinemom
....and Arkansas just shot down (pardon the pun) a bill that would remove Churches as a prohibited place under the Arkansas Concealed Handgun Carry Law.

Idiot Demoncrats and pastors argued that: "Churches are sancutaries, not armories".

Henry Bowman's of Arkansas should pay everyone in that Senate Sub-Committee a personal little visit.

I can prove, yet again, that liberal "feelings" usually have good intentions, but ALWAYS result in someone being hurt or killed.

We need to ban liberals from church, NOT GUNS.

19 posted on 03/08/2009 9:26:29 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (Arm Pilots&Teachers. Build the Wall. Export Illegals. Profile Muslims. Execute child molesters RFN!)
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To: BulletBobCo
I thought that Illinois gun laws prevented this from happening?

Illinois gun laws keep people from protecting themselves and as in this case, using knives in a gun fight.

20 posted on 03/08/2009 9:26:38 AM PDT by Lawgvr1955 (You can never have too much cowbell !!)
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To: armymarinemom
It's a good thing that Illinois has some of the strictist gun control laws in the U.S.

This way, when a criminal decides to completely disregard those laws and, say, shoot up a church, he doesn't have to worry about anyone shooting back.

21 posted on 03/08/2009 9:26:49 AM PDT by AAABEST (And the light shineth in darkness: and the darkness did not comprehend it)
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To: armymarinemom
-- Honestly we have a low crime rate in Maine but a lot of people carry leatherman tools. --

But that's not a useful defense when the offensive weapon is poison. ;-/

22 posted on 03/08/2009 9:27:10 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: armymarinemom
How sad. Prayers for the family of the person who died and of those wounded.

Wonder what the man's name was and if he survived so he can be tried and executed?

23 posted on 03/08/2009 9:27:34 AM PDT by Dustbunny ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." Margaret Thatch)
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To: armymarinemom

Prayers for the innocent victims. Having said that, Illinois is a gun grabber personal defense phobic State with Communist leaders in the government. I am sure none of the congregation had a snowball’s chance because they are law abiding with respect to the State’s ongoing program to make the population defenseless.


24 posted on 03/08/2009 9:27:36 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: DCBryan1
We need to ban liberals from church, NOT GUNS.

Amen. My husband and I switched churches due to a liberal takeover.

25 posted on 03/08/2009 9:27:40 AM PDT by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghan Honor Roll students.)
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To: BulletBobCo

screw the gun laws...carry discreetly. We are not victims.


26 posted on 03/08/2009 9:28:45 AM PDT by fabian
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To: SeminoleSoldier

Joining in prayers for the pastor, his family, and the congregation.

Many churches need to beef up their security in these disturbing times.


27 posted on 03/08/2009 9:29:08 AM PDT by Palladin (Mr. Geithner, we don't need advice from a tax cheat.)
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To: Drew68

Thinking it is a country church. Few men around with some pocket knives.


28 posted on 03/08/2009 9:29:12 AM PDT by ican'tbelieveit ((Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team# 36120), KW:Folding))
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To: armymarinemom
Prayers for all involved; interesting - taking a knife to church, I usually just take my Crucifix and offering.
29 posted on 03/08/2009 9:31:55 AM PDT by Jolla
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To: armymarinemom
NOTE TO ARKANSAS LEGISLATORS WHO SIDED WITH LIBERAL PASTORS WHEN YOU FAILED TO REMOVE CHURCHES FROM THE PROHIBITED PLACES UNDER OUR CCW LAW:

AT 5 PM TODAY, I WILL BE ARMED IN CHURCH!

If I see one of you little weasle legislators in my mega-church, I'll do everything in my power (with God's grace) to NOT spit in your eye or give you the ass whipping you deserve.

30 posted on 03/08/2009 9:32:05 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (Arm Pilots&Teachers. Build the Wall. Export Illegals. Profile Muslims. Execute child molesters RFN!)
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To: md2576

In this country, it’s okay to hate Christians, remember?


31 posted on 03/08/2009 9:32:31 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: DCBryan1

“We need to ban liberals from church, NOT GUNS.”

Hmm, why don’t you just go to a “conservative” church.


32 posted on 03/08/2009 9:32:32 AM PDT by gracesdad
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To: armymarinemom; Cindy

Witnesses report that the pastor was among those shot. Church Member Ashley Shank, interviewed by KSDK, was not in the church at the time of the shooting but she did talk to others who said the gunman was wearing a hoodie and pulled the weapon out of the hoodie.

Just before the shooting, the pastor had reportedly asked the gunman, who was standing in the aisle of the church, whether he or she needed help with anything.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29582081/


33 posted on 03/08/2009 9:33:05 AM PDT by Velveeta
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Yep, so did we.

Also was the problem of clicks.

34 posted on 03/08/2009 9:33:07 AM PDT by Dustbunny ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." Margaret Thatch)
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To: armymarinemom

My prayers and good wishes go out to the victims of this violence. Every church-going American needs to understand that this can happen anywhere to any denomination for any reason.

If we are prepared we shall not fear...


35 posted on 03/08/2009 9:33:11 AM PDT by rscully ("You cannot change a mind with logic that was made up without the use thereof." --DelphiUser's Dad.)
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http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/stlouiscitycounty/story/F34B63CBC9D773D88625757300553A0A?OpenDocument


36 posted on 03/08/2009 9:34:09 AM PDT by LA Woman3
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To: armymarinemom

I am always discreetly armed even at Mass


37 posted on 03/08/2009 9:34:13 AM PDT by badpacifist ("Blessings come from God and He don't bless what he is against" ...Mrs Ray Charles)
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To: armymarinemom

Very close to my folks, maybe 30 miles. Scott AFB is nearby, so I wonder if there were any military or retired military in the congregation. Small farm town, maybe 4000 people.


38 posted on 03/08/2009 9:34:47 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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Pastor is killed in Maryville church shooting
39 posted on 03/08/2009 9:37:40 AM PDT by LA Woman3
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To: rscully

We all need to be armed like the good old days. This would prevent so much crime.


40 posted on 03/08/2009 9:39:12 AM PDT by Halls (I'm with Rush, I want Obama to fail!)
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To: Jolla
taking a knife to church, I usually just take my Crucifix and offering.

A lot of people who don't live in the big city carry tools with them all of the time. You don't think about being armed you just thing about being prepared to prevent yourself from freezing to death.

41 posted on 03/08/2009 9:39:39 AM PDT by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghan Honor Roll students.)
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To: badpacifist

Hm, then are you sure you’ve got a big enough weapon?


42 posted on 03/08/2009 9:39:53 AM PDT by DaveLoneRanger (11 states are now considering concealed carry on campus. Join us. Visit ConcealedCampus.org for more)
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To: armymarinemom

Great view on Google Earth. Use 7110 Hwy 162, Maryville, IL.
Sat pic must have been taken on a Sunday AM. Lots of cars in parking lot and others coming down the driveway.


43 posted on 03/08/2009 9:40:07 AM PDT by TaMoDee
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To: LA Woman3

Oh how sad. Just look at that lovely family that is now without a father due to someone hating Christ.


44 posted on 03/08/2009 9:40:51 AM PDT by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghan Honor Roll students.)
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To: LA Woman3

God be with his family. So sad.


45 posted on 03/08/2009 9:41:40 AM PDT by Halls (I'm with Rush, I want Obama to fail!)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

I bet some in the congregation are retired military.


46 posted on 03/08/2009 9:42:17 AM PDT by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghan Honor Roll students.)
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To: armymarinemom
TRY this at my church. I DARE someone to try this at my church. 15+1 "Ranger rounds" in the magazine, and a spare mag in the pocket...and may God have mercy on you.
"Here is how the sheep and the sheepdog think differently. The sheep pretend the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day. After the attacks on September 11, 2001, most of the sheep, that is, most citizens in America said, “Thank God I wasn’t on one of those planes.” The sheepdogs, the warriors, said, “Dear God, I wish I could have been on one of those planes. Maybe I could have made a difference.” When you are truly transformed into a warrior and have truly invested yourself into warriorhood, you want to be there. You want to be able to make a difference." - On Sheep, Wolves and Sheepdogs

47 posted on 03/08/2009 9:42:56 AM PDT by DaveLoneRanger (11 states are now considering concealed carry on campus. Join us. Visit ConcealedCampus.org for more)
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Our Church has security too.


48 posted on 03/08/2009 9:44:46 AM PDT by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghan Honor Roll students.)
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To: armymarinemom

The church we attend has at least three or four armed guards plus another half dozen unarmed church security men at every service. It’s quite a large church with a fairly high profile, and I imagine there’s a lot going on behind the scenes that we don’t know about.


49 posted on 03/08/2009 9:47:32 AM PDT by ChocChipCookie ("Let his days be few, and let another take his office." Psalm 109:8)
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To: LA Woman3

OH my gosh.


50 posted on 03/08/2009 9:51:58 AM PDT by ChocChipCookie ("Let his days be few, and let another take his office." Psalm 109:8)
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