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ABC News: Juarez, Mexico under the equivalent of Martial Law
google video ^ | March 8, 2009 | ABC News, Channel 7, El Paso, TX

Posted on 03/08/2009 6:15:17 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

Mexican military forces take over police duty in Juarez, Mexico to combat drug cartel violence. Death count expected to increase.

(Excerpt) Read more at video.google.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Mexico; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; border; drugcartel; drugwarconsequences; mexico; refugees; thankprohibition; warnextdoor; wod
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1 posted on 03/08/2009 6:15:17 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

Gee, I hope the wall doesn’t hurt any field mouse habitat.


2 posted on 03/08/2009 6:16:25 PM PDT by icwhatudo
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To: Jim Robinson

Thanks Jim.

I am going into San Antonio this week to buy a handgun and take the safety course for CC.


3 posted on 03/08/2009 6:18:40 PM PDT by squarebarb
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To: Jim Robinson

If you want to vacation there, can you bring your own guns and ammunition?


4 posted on 03/08/2009 6:19:22 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (The inmates are now officially running the asylum.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Any rumblings at Fort Bliss/El Paso?


5 posted on 03/08/2009 6:20:24 PM PDT by Old Sarge ("Remember, remember, the Fourth of November, the Socialist treason and plot...")
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To: icwhatudo

What are they talking about? Juarez residents are right in front of the Home Depot here on Sunset..


6 posted on 03/08/2009 6:20:32 PM PDT by max americana
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To: Jim Robinson

Who knows good guy from bad guy in that incestuous relationship?


7 posted on 03/08/2009 6:20:50 PM PDT by shezza (A government that gives you everything you want can take away everything you have.)
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To: Jim Robinson

‘bout time.


8 posted on 03/08/2009 6:20:54 PM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Jim Robinson

Next on the Martial Law list - Pontiac, Michigan


9 posted on 03/08/2009 6:21:06 PM PDT by TCats
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To: squarebarb
A friend of mine convinced me to NOT get a CC permit -- his rationale is that it creates one more public record with your name on it. Makes it easy for the Obama-troopers to come after you.


10 posted on 03/08/2009 6:21:32 PM PDT by atomicweeder
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To: Jim Robinson

Ten years too late, at least.


11 posted on 03/08/2009 6:22:22 PM PDT by Moose Burger
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To: Jim Robinson

Only thing I remember about Juarez (1878) was going down there on my “green bean” tour (no stripes on my USAF work uniform), drinking tequila, watching a stripper get humped by a guy in a gorilla costume and throwing up.

Ah, memories. Sounds like the town has really changed. You could pay me enough to live in El Paso or Las Cruces nowadays.


12 posted on 03/08/2009 6:24:19 PM PDT by hattend (Sarah Palin has run a fishing business, a city, and a state. All Obama has done is run his mouth.)
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To: atomicweeder

Get it.

If you are caught with a wepon and do not have the CCW, you can get in trouble for doing absolutely nothing at all.

Now how foolish would that be?


13 posted on 03/08/2009 6:24:30 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective.)
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To: hattend
(1878)

Well, I'm not THAT old...try 1978

14 posted on 03/08/2009 6:25:31 PM PDT by hattend (Sarah Palin has run a fishing business, a city, and a state. All Obama has done is run his mouth.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Hmmm... no mention of this on CNN.com. Must not be important.

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15 posted on 03/08/2009 6:25:43 PM PDT by OCC
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To: Jim Robinson
The news from Juarez saddens me. I lived in El Paso from 66-69, when I was in junior high. I loved it. And I have fond memories of going to Juarez to shop and eat.

In fact, it was so safe that my mom would take us five kids there during the summer, without my dad (he was at work at White Sands).

16 posted on 03/08/2009 6:25:49 PM PDT by atomicweeder
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To: hattend
watching a stripper get humped by a guy in a gorilla costume and throwing up.

The stripper got humped and threw up? Well... I know nothing of such matters...

17 posted on 03/08/2009 6:27:02 PM PDT by sionnsar (Iran Azadi | 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | "Tax the rich" fails if the rich won't play)
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To: Jim Robinson

I will be over in Juarez soon....will shoot as much video as I can. Will post to youtube and also send to fox news if I get something really good.

Gotta go over to see my dentist and take care of some other business.


18 posted on 03/08/2009 6:27:26 PM PDT by Bobalu (McCain has been proven to be the rino flop I always thought he was.)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

“If you want to vacation there, can you bring your own guns and ammunition?”

vacation there......why? for a little fun?


19 posted on 03/08/2009 6:27:38 PM PDT by nbhunt
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To: Jim Robinson
Basically, the gangs in Mexico have started a civil war. This isn't just criminal activity.
20 posted on 03/08/2009 6:28:43 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Fisnish the fence, build a wall and deport illegals.


21 posted on 03/08/2009 6:31:09 PM PDT by Frantzie (Boycott GE - they own NBC, MSNBC, CNBC & Universal. Boycott Disney - they own ABC)
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To: OCC

It has been ongoing for a few days now. Some other info/videos of the troops:

http://www.kvia.com/global/video/flash/popupplayer.asp?ClipID1=3502916&h1=Soldiers%20arrive%20in%20Juarez%3B%20new%20PD%20chief%20likely%20to%20be%20military&vt1=v&at1=News&d1=115167&LaunchPageAdTag=News&activePane=info&rnd=426851

http://www.kvia.com/global/video/flash/popupplayer.asp?ClipID1=3501627&h1=RAW%20VIDEO%3A%203%2C000%20more%20Mexican%20Army%20troops%20arrive%20in%20Juarez%20%28Courtesy%20ABCNewsOne%29&vt1=v&at1=News&d1=130200&LaunchPageAdTag=News&activePane=info&rnd=81449263

CNN Story fromn a couple days ago:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/03/06/mexico.troops/index.html

Texas makes emergency plans in case violence spills over from Mexico
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2201954/posts


22 posted on 03/08/2009 6:31:53 PM PDT by deport
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To: Jim Robinson
IO disagree that deploying the military necessarily means an increasem in violence.

The ABC analysis ignores the difference between a police department dealing with a crime wave and a military force dealing with an insurrection.

Police are constrained to use minimum necessary force and to treat each perpetrator as an individual suspect. While the police are investigating and arresting individual criminals, the crime wave continues beyond their control

Once the decision has been made that it is no longer just a crime wave and that it has to be treate as an insurrection then military doctrine supplants police doctrime. That means that instead of using minimum necessary force, maximum available force is brought to bear.

Military doctrine has a clearer distinction between force and violence. Maximizing the early application of force has as its main purpose the suppression of violence.

In other words, if the deployed military is competent, there is an inverse relationship between force and violence.

23 posted on 03/08/2009 6:34:13 PM PDT by Clive
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To: Jim Robinson

(shakes head)

Meanwhile our dunce parties, flits around as if campaigning, talks to the next ones on terror lists.


24 posted on 03/08/2009 6:36:29 PM PDT by AliVeritas (And while the rest of the nation was still sleepin', they'll be bidding America goodbye.)
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To: hattend

LOL, were you at Clovis?


25 posted on 03/08/2009 6:37:57 PM PDT by AliVeritas (And while the rest of the nation was still sleepin', they'll be bidding America goodbye.)
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26 posted on 03/08/2009 6:38:28 PM PDT by Bobalu (McCain has been proven to be the rino flop I always thought he was.)
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To: bcsco; holdonnow; SoCalPol; HonestConservative; sono; Clint N. Suhks; tiredoflaundry; defconw; ...

ping


27 posted on 03/08/2009 6:39:33 PM PDT by AliVeritas (And while the rest of the nation was still sleepin', they'll be bidding America goodbye.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Since Vicente Fox is such a fun guy, why not give him a gun and badge so that he can go into Juarez to clean up the mess that he started???????? Politicians are not much different in Mexico than they are here!


28 posted on 03/08/2009 6:40:21 PM PDT by eeriegeno (<p>)
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To: Clive

“In other words, if the deployed military is competent...”

Doomed.


29 posted on 03/08/2009 6:41:35 PM PDT by Moose Burger
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To: Moose Burger

I have seen their military...they are NOT comparable to our guys patrolling in Bagdad.

Hell, I have even seen their military on our side of the border riding about in jeeps and acting as fools.


30 posted on 03/08/2009 6:44:33 PM PDT by Bobalu (McCain has been proven to be the rino flop I always thought he was.)
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To: shezza

>Who knows good guy from bad guy in that incestuous relationship?

Hey, at least the Mexican government is HONEST about its corruption; unlike here where it’s “if you get caught”.


31 posted on 03/08/2009 6:45:54 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Old Sarge
Any rumblings at Fort Bliss/El Paso?

Yeah, Obama will order US troops to escort illegal aliens to safety in US

32 posted on 03/08/2009 6:48:00 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought (CPA, MBA needs a job - referrals welcome)
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To: AliVeritas
Old New for us in San Diego north of Tijuana, MX May 2008 Tijuana Solders in trucks 2008 official and military TJ 2008 rescuing in gun battle Members of a kidnappers gang are shown to the media with their sized guns after being arrested by Mexican Army in Tijuana 12/8/08 11/08 Fed Police SD – TJ border
33 posted on 03/08/2009 6:52:17 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin - Jindal 2012)
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To: Old Sarge

The streets in Juarez used to be full of soldiers from Ft Bliss....not any more....you don’t see any of them there any more. And all the night spots are boarded up...lack of customers I suppose.


34 posted on 03/08/2009 6:52:33 PM PDT by Bobalu (McCain has been proven to be the rino flop I always thought he was.)
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To: Bobalu

Good Luck!


35 posted on 03/08/2009 6:52:34 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, Call 'em what you will, they ALL have Fairies livin' in their Trees.)
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To: Bobalu
U.S.-trained forces reportedly helping Mexican cartels (link to Free Republic thread)

Houston Chronicle Washington Bureau

May 14, 2008

WASHINGTON — As many as 200 U.S.-trained Mexican security personnel have defected to drug cartels to carry out killings on both sides of the border and as far north as Dallas, Rep. Ted Poe, R-Humble, told Congress on Wednesday.

-snip-

The renegade members of Mexico's elite counter-narcotics teams trained at Fort Benning, Ga., have switched sides, contributing to a wave of violence that has claimed some 6,000 victims over the past 30 months, including prominent law enforcement leaders, the Houston-area Republican told the House Foreign Affairs Committee.

-snip-

36 posted on 03/08/2009 6:52:34 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: SoCalPol

i never got used to seeing children in conflict zones...


37 posted on 03/08/2009 6:57:58 PM PDT by wardaddy (I've known black people over 50 years, raised with them and by them.. Obama ain't BLACK, HE"S RED!)
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The decapitations have been going on just south of San Diego for a long time and last week several more.

Old News

Nine headless bodies found
Sun Nov 30, 2008 4:59pm EST

TIJUANA, Mexico (Reuters) - Nine decapitated bodies were discovered on Sunday in the Mexican border city of Tijuana, a hot spot in an increasingly gruesome war between drug cartels.

The bodies, along with their removed heads, had been left in a vacant lot beside a factory, witnesses and police told reporters.

Mexico is facing spiraling drug violence, especially along its border with the United States. Cities like Tijuana, south of San Diego, are seeing horrendous levels of crime, with bodies set on fire, cut up and dumped in acid and strung over highways.

Beheadings, kidnappings and daylight shootings have become common as vicious drug cartels fight over smuggling routes into the United States.

President Felipe Calderon has sent some 40,000 troops and federal police across Mexico to try to stop the killings. But despite major drug seizures and arrests, the killings continue.


38 posted on 03/08/2009 6:58:02 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin - Jindal 2012)
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To: wardaddy

A recent battle in the streets had many young school kids running in Tijuana.

Because this is south of Calif. it doesn’t count because Calif. doesn’t count in most people’s world


39 posted on 03/08/2009 7:00:56 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin - Jindal 2012)
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To: Ken H

I’m a nite owl...up to the wee hours most nights.

I live on a small ranch in New Mexico....just outside the El Paso county limits. A few nights ago I was out back sittin in the yard while the dog did his business....I heard something that sounded like a 2-cycle moped up in the air to the west....ran in the house and got this huge spotlight and pointed it in the direction of the sound...it was a dark colored ultralight zipping along about 500ft above the ground. It’s illegal to fly an ultralight in the dark.....so something interesting was going on. The thing continued east till it went out of sight.


40 posted on 03/08/2009 7:02:56 PM PDT by Bobalu (McCain has been proven to be the rino flop I always thought he was.)
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To: AliVeritas

I was at Holloman AFB, Alamogordo, NM

It was wonderful back then but I’m not sure I would want to be within 100 miles of the border nowadays.


41 posted on 03/08/2009 7:04:21 PM PDT by hattend (Sarah Palin has run a fishing business, a city, and a state. All Obama has done is run his mouth.)
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To: Bobalu

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2201326/posts

Ultralight Aircraft Emerging Trend in Drug Trafficking


42 posted on 03/08/2009 7:09:43 PM PDT by hattend (Sarah Palin has run a fishing business, a city, and a state. All Obama has done is run his mouth.)
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To: SoCalPol
If marijuana were regulated like alcohol, it would be a severe blow to the cartels. It is THE money maker:

John P. Walters, director of the Office of National Drug Control Policy, said marijuana, not heroin or cocaine, is the "bread and butter," "the center of gravity" for Mexican drug cartels that every year smuggle tons of it through the porous U.S.-Mexico border. Of the $13.8 billion that Americans contributed to Mexican drug traffickers in 2004-05, about 62 percent, or $8.6 billion, comes from marijuana consumption.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/022208dnintdrugs.3a98bb0.html

43 posted on 03/08/2009 7:11:21 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: wardaddy

Roger Dat!,,,

So far that battle is in Wa-Zoo for the most part,,,

Wait for the Katyushas to start fallin’ in El Paso,,,

Those will be American Kids!!!

Past time for the 4th.I.D. to roll their M1-A2’ that way,,,

That place looks like B-Dad,,,

Time for a “Thunder Run!”...


44 posted on 03/08/2009 7:12:23 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: SoCalPol

One advantage we in Michigan is the fact we don’t have a 3rd world country next door. However we do have more than our fair share of their residents.


45 posted on 03/08/2009 7:15:53 PM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Bobalu

LOL!


46 posted on 03/08/2009 7:16:20 PM PDT by CASchack
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To: atomicweeder
A friend of mine convinced me to NOT get a CC permit -- his rationale is that it creates one more public record with your name on it. Makes it easy for the Obama-troopers to come after you.

Here in Tennessee, the communist rag Memphis Commercial Appeal has posted the names and addresses of every CC permit holder in Tennessee. They are trying to attach a negative stigma to those who carry firearms and publicly focus scorn on the "bad" gun-toters.

47 posted on 03/08/2009 7:20:09 PM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: Ken H

That is childish reasoning.

Mexico is corrupt period. Always has been.
IF is wasn’t drugs, it would be something else.

Crime would be far worse with legal drugs, kids and
others on just marajuana will be robbing and killing
for money for drugs. Marajuana, a gateway drug, then
it becomes crack and coke, etc.

Bad enough drunk drivers, we don’t need more pot heads driving


48 posted on 03/08/2009 7:22:33 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin - Jindal 2012)
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To: Jim Robinson

I love my home here in Texas, But, I have stopped traveling down to south Texas. I use to love South Padre Island, but it is truely like traveling to Mexico. No one speaks english, and when the see my blonde hair and blue eyes, I feel like a target has been painted on my back.


49 posted on 03/08/2009 7:24:31 PM PDT by devane617 (Republicans first strategy should be taking over the MSM. Without it we are doomed.)
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To: SoCalPol

Alleged acid disposal man for Mexico gang nabbed

By Marina Martinez, Associated Press

Saturday, 24 January 2009

A man accused of helping a Mexican drug kingpin dispose of hundreds of victims by dissolving their bodies in acid was arrested in the border city of Tijuana, authorities said yesterday.

A Mexican military statement said Santiago Meza Lopez confessed to disposing of at least 300 bodies over a decade, but authorities provided no further evidence to back the claim. Officials contend he dumped the bodies in graves, poured acid on them and let them dissolve underground.

The victims are believed to be rivals of Teodoro Garcia Simental, an alleged former lieutenant of the Tijuana-based Arellano Felix drug cartel, authorities said.

Soldiers and police paraded Meza, 45, before reporters at a cement-block shack on the outskirts of Tijuana where he allegedly disposed of the bodies. Two grave-sized holes had been dug near the walls.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/alleged-acid-disposal-man-for-mexico-gang-nabbed-1514913.html


50 posted on 03/08/2009 7:27:16 PM PDT by Deo volente
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