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Pastor killed in Ill. church shooting (!!!)
MSNBC ^ | May 8, 2009 | AP

Posted on 03/08/2009 9:47:18 PM PDT by Squidpup

MARYVILLE, Ill. - A pastor shot and killed during his Sunday sermon deflected the first of the gunman's four rounds with a Bible, sending a confetti-like spray of paper into the air in a horrifying scene that congregants initially thought was a skit, police said.

The gunman strode down the aisle of the sprawling First Baptist Church shortly after 8 a.m. and briefly spoke with The Rev. Fred Winters, then pulled out a .45-caliber semiautomatic pistol and began firing until it jammed, Illinois State Police Director Larry Trent said. Churchgoers wrestled the gunman to the ground as he waved a knife, slashing himself and two other people, Trent said.

None of the about 150 congregants seemed to recognize the gunman and investigators do not know details of Winters' conversation with him, but they planned to review an audio recording of the service, Trent said. The service was not videotaped.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: church; churchshooting; fredwinters; maryville; pastor; shooting

1 posted on 03/08/2009 9:47:18 PM PDT by Squidpup
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To: Squidpup

Yimach shemo vezichro (may his name and memory be erased) to the murderer of this Pastor.

Prayers for the family and Church for their loss.


2 posted on 03/08/2009 9:49:29 PM PDT by Jeb21
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To: Squidpup

from www.joels-trumpet.com

Urgent Prayer Request / Update
Early this morning, Sunday March 8, while preaching at his church, Pastor Fred Winters, of First Baptist Church Maryville, Illinois was shot and killed. Apparently a few others were wounded as well. I consider First Baptist Maryville to be part of my larger-out of town-church family. FBC is the Church where I have spoken at and recorded my Islam DVD’s. I stood in that pulpit just a month ago. Pastor Winters is the courageous pastor that graciously welcomed and hosted me for these events. He leaves behind a wife and two young daughters. Beloved, please pray for Pastor Winter’s family, the others who were injured, FBC Maryville and all who have been affected by this utterly demonic event.

Click here for MSNBC News updates.

For those in the St. Louis area, a prayer service will be held tonight at 6:00pm, March 8, 2009, at Metro Community Church in Edwardsville, IL.


3 posted on 03/08/2009 9:50:01 PM PDT by Squidpup ("Fight the Good Fight")
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To: Squidpup

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2201931/posts


4 posted on 03/08/2009 9:52:22 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Fight Crime. Shoot Back.)
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To: Squidpup

God be with the family of this pastor.

Carry every where you go now, even to church.


5 posted on 03/08/2009 9:53:14 PM PDT by Semper Mark (Communism is Socialism with a gun to your head.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

thanks


6 posted on 03/08/2009 9:53:44 PM PDT by Squidpup ("Fight the Good Fight")
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To: Squidpup

Not one mention of ethnicity on the shooter .... hmm, wonder why?


7 posted on 03/08/2009 9:59:46 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (01-20-2009 : The end of the PAX AMERICANA.)
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To: Squidpup

I’d like to know more about the gunman.

Islamic connection??


8 posted on 03/08/2009 10:00:44 PM PDT by Deo volente
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To: Jeb21

“Yimach shemo vezichro”

This is consistent with the Rabbinical explanation that the term is not a name but the acronym yemach shemo vezichro used in place of the real names of individuals guilty of such sins who are deemed not worthy of being remembered in history.


9 posted on 03/08/2009 10:07:24 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Squidpup

Many mosques in the St Louis area.


10 posted on 03/08/2009 10:11:32 PM PDT by Blogger (Pray and Prepare)
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To: Centurion2000

So true, I’ve been following up on the story trying to get more info on the shooter and the only thing I’ve learned is that he lived in Troy, a town nearby.

It is interesting that they have not released more information yet.


11 posted on 03/08/2009 10:26:27 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: Blogger

Our prayers go up for this precious church family. I cannot imagine the pain and grief...


12 posted on 03/08/2009 10:37:54 PM PDT by pollywog (I will lift mine eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help. My help comes from the Lord...Ps 121)
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To: Squidpup

For this reason, my father, I, and a number of the deacons carry concealed handguns into services. With the legal permission of the pastor and church body, of course.


13 posted on 03/08/2009 10:41:48 PM PDT by waiyu (Some are wise, some are otherwise.)
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What a sad day...


14 posted on 03/08/2009 10:43:26 PM PDT by Righting
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To: Texas Fossil

you blot out their name and history but you *have* to remember them.


15 posted on 03/08/2009 10:43:59 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Hail to the Dork!)
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To: Centurion2000
My 11:00 local news reported the shooter is a white male. Can still be a Jihadi connection, a deranged leftist following the new fashionable anti Christian wave, and or a Prop 8 protester. Law enforcement seems unusually tight lipped about this for some strange reason.
16 posted on 03/08/2009 10:51:42 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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To: HollyB
According to this article, his name is Terry Joe Sedlacek. His neighbors say he used to stand in the middle of the street and shout obscenities for no apparent reason.
17 posted on 03/08/2009 10:53:32 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

I just realized that deranged and leftist are redundant. Sorry all.

Prayers go out to all families and friends of the victims.


18 posted on 03/08/2009 10:55:07 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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To: LibWhacker

Thx Libwhacker, wow, this may shed some light on why he did it. What a terrible thing to happen to the pastor.


19 posted on 03/08/2009 11:04:32 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: Texas Fossil

I had no idea that there was a modern Jewish tradition of Damnatio Memoriae. Cool.


20 posted on 03/08/2009 11:19:41 PM PDT by reaganaut (ex-mormon, now Christian. "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Markos33
Carry every where you go now, even to church.

It's sad, but necessary. Before the lesson tonight, I encouraged the people who have a CCW license to freely carry in our church without fear. I will not allow political correctness to make us sitting ducks if a madman walks through the door.

There's no guarantee that someone won't get me first, but at least the people will be safer. More people could have died today if that gun hadn't jammed. I'd prefer that people not have to wrestle a gun or knife away from an assailant - just take him out.

21 posted on 03/08/2009 11:21:20 PM PDT by scott7278 (Obama, Klaatu barada nikto!)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

His name is Terry Sedlacek, 27, according to the St Louis Post-Dispatch.

Nothing sinister unless you count having a horrible case of untreatable Lyme Disease sinister. He lived with his parents, who said he was an avid hunter and sportsman who contracted the disease in his junior year of high school. He seems to have been a great kid before he got so sick. I didn’t know that Lyme Disease medications can lead to brain lesions, but so can immunosupressant drugs given to transplant recipients. Maybe there’s a link of some kind.
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/sciencemedicine/story/4C02265C2982C7458625749D0012D670/?OpenDocument


22 posted on 03/08/2009 11:52:02 PM PDT by worst-case scenario (Striving to reach the light)
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To: worst-case scenario
Now that we've had it revealed that there's nothing sinister then why did they sit on it so long?

Just as an aside everyone I've ever met who had some type of brain damage was a liberal. Always wondered if there's some connection.

23 posted on 03/09/2009 12:10:01 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

Perhaps because the family hadn’t been notified? Because there were privacy issues involved as the guy is still alive, and very ill to boot?

I don’t know why the people you meet with mental health issues are all liberals. The ones I’ve met have been all over the map as far as politics went - if they actually made any coherent sense about politics. But I bet you’d even find some people here at FR with political beliefs and positions that aren’t logical or completely sane.


24 posted on 03/09/2009 12:14:04 AM PDT by worst-case scenario (Striving to reach the light)
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To: Centurion2000; Deo volente
#7: Not one mention of ethnicity on the shooter .... hmm, wonder why?

#8: Islamic connection??

White guy with Lyme disease.

Sorry to disappoint you...

25 posted on 03/09/2009 12:20:36 AM PDT by Zero Sum (Shameless lover of liberty)
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To: Zero Sum

Not disappointed .... just that it’s weird reading stories where they can’t even describe the guy as witnessed by EVERYONE that saw him shoot the pastor.


26 posted on 03/09/2009 1:07:10 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (01-20-2009 : The end of the PAX AMERICANA.)
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To: Jeb21
Yimach shemo vezichro (may his name and memory be erased)

What language is that? I'm thinking Yiddish, but not sure.

27 posted on 03/09/2009 5:23:52 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll)
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To: Jeb21

Never mind: found my answer in Post 9, which I’d missed before.


28 posted on 03/09/2009 5:24:42 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll)
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To: reaganaut

“I had no idea that there was a modern Jewish tradition of Damnatio Memoriae.”

Nor did I, until I tried to figure out your reference to it. Did a web search and that was what I found.

Regards,

TX Fossil


29 posted on 03/09/2009 7:54:51 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: scott7278

I’ve heard this discussed among our own church members. The men on our tech team are in a perfect position to help protect the church. They have cameramen facing in all directions, constantly communicate to each other by radios, and some work in the highest place in the back of balcony, which cannot be seen from below.


30 posted on 03/09/2009 8:25:40 PM PDT by keats5 (You can keep the change.)
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