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Posted on 03/08/2009 11:03:33 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast
Church shooting suspect has mental illness from Lyme disease By Joel Currier, Jeremy Kohler and Nicholas J.C. Pistor ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH 03/09/2009 MARYVILLE A man suspected of killing the Rev. Fred Winters during a church service in Maryville on Sunday morning had developed mental illness from a tick bite, his family has said. Police did not release the name of the suspect, who was seriously injured in a struggle with members of the congregation after the shooting of Winters at the First Baptist Church. But a source close to the case confirmed late Sunday that it is Terry Joe Sedlacek, 27, who was the subject of a Post-Dispatch story in August about how Lyme disease had attacked his brain.
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You gotta be frikkin kidding me.
Lyme is nothing to mess around with. I’ve had it myself, fortunately caught early after just two weeks, but not before it caused joint and eye issues. Fortunately it’s readily addressed with some common and benign antibiotics. Left alone, it can ravage your body (it is biologically related to syphilis) and cause many neurological symptoms.
“He was the subject of an Aug. 6, 2008, Post-Dispatch article about his battle with mental illness attributed to Lyme disease. The man’s mother, Ruth Abernathy, said her son, an avid hunter and outdoorsman, may have contracted the disease after being bitten by an infected tick on a family farm in the late 1990s.
He became ill during his junior year at Edwardsville High School and had taken several medications, including anti-seizure drugs, to combat the disease. It nearly killed him in 2003, but he survived after a series of treatments and was reported to have lesions on his brain.”
Horrible. So it can make both men and chimps crazy?
Skits are common in protestant churches today, particularly of the evangelical persuasion. I’m unfond of them, but our own church has them occasionally, like when a parishioner dressed up as a homeless person and ran crying for help down the aisle. Some sort of lesson on helping the less fortunate ensued.
So it’s not unfeasible that folks thought this was something of the sort. For a few seconds at least.
The process of making the killer blameless and the gun to blame has begun.
Skits are common in protestant churches today, particularly of the evangelical persuasion. Im unfond of them, but our own church has them occasionally, like when a parishioner dressed up as a homeless person and ran crying for help down the aisle. Some sort of lesson on helping the less fortunate ensued.I *hate* that stuff. A relative moved from an episcopalian to an "Anglican" evangelical church. They do stupid crud like that all the time. I actually feel ill going to the service because it's like I'm a participant in Jerry Springer.
So its not unfeasible that folks thought this was something of the sort. For a few seconds at least.
I may go Catholic just to have a normal service if this keeps up.
So now every Terrorist on the Planet can claim to have Lyme Disease and be innocent.
I am in the process of battling Lyme. So glad that they caught yours early ... I was about 5 weeks in before diagnosis and treatment. There are days that I can’t remember anything, but that isn’t so out of the ordinary according to my husband. LOL!
What the hell is that?
Yeah yeah yeah. They’re all mentally ill. We know.
I had never heard of church skits but a woman who was in the church at the time of the shooting said that a skit had just been performed and she thought the shooting was another one. For a split second, I guess.
“If this report is correct, the guy was clearly suffering from a parasitic attack on his brain. “
too bad it conveniently missed the part of the brain that came up with the idea to kill a pastor and effectively carry out the plan.
Apparently they have done skits before and I heard one man recalling the shooting and saying that the preacher's bible, which had been raised in a defensive manner, blew into what appeared to be a cloud of confetti when it was hit with one of the shots. That is what made some think it was a skit.
Okay, so terrorists and murderers can infect themselves with Lyme Disease and go on a killing spree?
They caught my Lyme early only because I hounded my doctor.
Having just returned to Silicon Valley from Munich, I presented with the classical bulls-eye rash. “But we don’t have Lyme here,” the doc protested. I had to talk very slowly and carefully to get him to understand that I’d been bitten nine time zones away. I showed him a fax from a family friend who is a doctor in Munich, saying that Lyme is endemic there and how they treat it immediately if the bulls-eye is present. My doc grudgingly agreed to the blood test—but wouldn’t prescribe the doxycycline until the resulots were known—then was dumbfounded when it came back positive. “But we don’t have Lyme here!” he marveled.
Saw it eons ago, but fail to see the relevance here. Enlighten us, please.
the idea that people aren’t responsible for their own actions because they found an excuse.
The emergency room doc and my general practitioner chuckled and practically called me silly when I asked if it was possible that I had Lyme or maybe West Nile. I knew I had been in the woods and I had brushed off some ticks, but never knew I had a bite. It was a real stroke of luck and divine intervention that the wife of another Lyme sufferer in our town told my husband to get me to the specialist her husband sees. By that time I was in such bad shape that they began the antibiotics and anti-siezure meds that day, before the blood tests were even sent to the lab.
“Pray you never experience it. “
my late grandfather’s second wife did...but she passed away peacefully. She didn’t murder anyone in front of everyone.
“What the hell is that?”
It’s from West Side Story, a liberals’ Broadway musical about how juvenile delinquent kids in NYC are simply the product of the big bad establishment running NY that screwed up their lives, you know, the liberals themselves.
“Doxycycline works and is well tolerated and cheap, but you must be on it for at least two months to catch the spirochete throughout its life cycle. “
Will you please tell that to my doctor, he thinks 3 weeks is enough to kill anything.
As near as we can figure, I was infected the summer of 2004. I’ve tested negative for Lyme until this last December, when the neurological symptoms became so severe you’d swear I was drugged half the time. I never had the typical symptoms though (no rash, fever, or joint pain).
To be honest, I’m scared of this thing.
As bad as the MD’s are, some of the people that get it are equally dense.
I told my mother that she probably got it from a tick off her horses, and that the whitetail deer in the area were likely the reserve hosts for ticks. I told her that if she really wanted to kill the ticks, she a) had to treat her horses at least once/week with a pesticide dust practically forever and b) start convincing the locals to undertake a slaughter of deer in the area.
Of course neither happened.
You should be scared.
Especially if your doc thinks 3 weeks is enough to kill a parasite with a six week life cycle and an encysted larval stage.
Even 6 weeks wasn’t enough in my case. A few of the buggers survived and started a reinfection.
Fortunately, in my case the only neuro manifestation was a complete and utter intolerance to alcohol. A half glass of wine was enough to put me to sleep for twelve hours. That was the first clue that it was mounting a second attack.
Good luck— with a doc as dumb as yours, you’ll need it.
You need a specialist or, at the very least, another doctor that understands the life cycle of Lyme and how to treat it. Please do not delay any further.
I am trying to make a list of Lyme Disease sufferers who picked up a gun and shot people to death at point blank range for no reason. Anybody know, please ping me.
Lyme disease or lemon disease, this guy should hang.
JULY 12, 2008 TIME:10am-9pm
Terry Joe Sedlacek has been suffering from Lyme Disease and its co-infection Ehrlichiosis for the past several years. He nearly lost his life to this disease five years ago and battles the effects daily. His medications and doctor visits are costly. New test results revealed the return of this disease and left temporal lobe damage. He will begin a new & hopeful treatment in July;
Lyme disease diagnosis can be difficult
Terry Joe Sedlacek
(Handout)By Greg Jonsson
ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
Terry Joe Sedlacek’s parents worried that he was getting into drugs or alcohol when he started acting strangely during his junior year at Edwardsville High School.
He dropped out of the activities that used to interest him. He seemed confused. He missed class, and one time when the school called his mother, Ruth Abernathy, to say he hadn’t shown up, she found him home on the couch, having forgotten he was supposed to be somewhere else.
“I said, ‘What are you doing here? You’re supposed to be at school,’” his mother remembers of the day in 1999. “And he said, ‘Oh.’”
They tried to check him into rehab, but tests showed caffeine was the strongest thing in his system. Doctors diagnosed him as mentally ill and for years he took medicine up to 18 pills a day at one point. But the drugs that worked for others seemed to do little for him. His physical condition deteriorated, too, and in 2003 he was in the hospital, so sick he was given last rites.
Finally a desperate battery of tests for everything from West Nile to SARS pinpointed two tick-borne diseases: Lyme disease and ehrlichiosis.
For Sedlacek, who was put in a medically induced coma and given intravenous antibiotics to combat the Lyme disease and ehrlichiosis, the diagnosis came late. For a few months he did very well.
“We had our son back,” Abernathy said.
But Sedlacek’s rebound didn’t last for long. After he got out of the hospital, oral antibiotics didn’t seem to work as well. His family sought out experts and tried alternative treatments, with mixed success.
These days, Sedlacek, now 26 and living in Troy, Ill., with Abernathy, has difficulty speaking. He’s got lesions on his brain. He’s taking several drugs, including anti-seizure medication.
“He takes enough medicine at night to knock a cow out, but he only sleeps two or three hours a night,” Abernathy said.
The nearest specialist is 4 hours away, and with a waiting list that stretches into August.
I am on that waiting list, but in the mean time my doc keeps trying things. The only reason I was even diagnosed was because my doc was willing to do a phone consultation with that same specialist, who recommended a special lab. I’ve had docs who, if they didn’t know what was wrong within the first 30 seconds, it must all be in your head. This one at least tries.
I think its funny that the neurologist found that when I’m having one of my “episodes” (the room spins and my brain goes numb) my IQ is average. When I’m not having an episode its even higher :p
Speakking of spiningg, I need to go wehere I can’t fall now
Don't give up if you don't find one right away!!!
That is what we did.
too bad it conveniently missed the part of the brain that came up with the idea to kill a pastor and effectively carry out the plan.When the brain is damaged this sort of psychosis is quite common really. Charles Whitman and Phineas Gage are good examples. That's also why people with dementia can be such pains in the butt.
well, Charles Whitman was punished; he was shot to death. I believe that if someone murders someone, he should be punished for the good of society and we shouldn’t try to understand them.
What if we discovered that Hitler or bin Laden had Lyme disease? Would that make them less evil?
Well, that’s it. There will be a popular, bipartisan putsch to make it a felony for anyone who has been physically ill to posses any firearm. For example, many things are capable of leaving your system susceptible to meningitis.
...one subgroup at a time, they’ll take away your Second Amendment rights. ...started with removing them from fathers based on nothing more than accusations (VAWA—passed by both political parties in Congress). Then...people adjudicated regarding mental illness.
well, Charles Whitman was punished; he was shot to death. I believe that if someone murders someone, he should be punished for the good of society and we shouldnt try to understand them.Doesn't evil require mens rea/malice aforethought? For instance, it's not evil to kill someone in self defense. We also differentiate between manslaughter and murder.
What if we discovered that Hitler or bin Laden had Lyme disease? Would that make them less evil?
The question becomes, did the killer actually know what he was doing? and what he was doing was immoral?
You should all remember that you won’t make your world safe and be immortal by way of pushing politicians to outlaw this and that for subgroups with problems. You’ll only be outlawing the very lives of your children or grandchildren and taking all of their freedoms away.
Although liberals will recite the inevitability of death, they display through their other speech, that they feel that they will live forever. We’re all going to die someday, and there’s nothing that we can do to stop that. It’s better to be free and to live with traditional risks than to throw your freedoms away by sacrificing the freedoms of your neighbors.
Hard to find anything political here. It’s just a horrid and bizarre tragedy.
* Lyme disease is a controversial illness. Two medical societies, the Infectious Diseases Society of America (IDSA) and the International Lyme and Associated Diseases Society (ILADS), have developed conflicting guidelines for the diagnosis and treatment of this tick-borne disease.
* Recent publications by IDSA members have impugned the scientific basis of the ILADS viewpoint, attributing that viewpoint to an ‘Axis of Evil’ involving physicians who treat improperly, ‘specialty laboratories’ that test inaccurately and the internet, which promotes ‘Lyme hysteria’.
* An investigation by the Connecticut Attorney General found that the IDSA suppressed scientific evidence and had significant conflicts of interest in developing its Lyme disease guidelines. An impartial scientific panel will be established to review the IDSA guidelines.
* The discredited ‘Axis of Evil’ comment affords an opportunity to examine the conflicts at the root of Lyme disease diagnosis and treatment.
(from Future Microbiol. 2008;3(6):621-624. http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/586226 )
He and his colleagues also found that almost 47% of the chronic Lyme disease patients qualified for a diagnosis of fibromyalgia. “Sleep disturbance is common in most patients with fibromyalgia and this appeared to be the case in many of our chronic Lyme disease subjects,” Dr. Hassett mentioned. (from Arthritis Rheum 2008;59:1742-1749 http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/585949)
I think that your doctor when insisting on a short treatment just was following IDSA, however, in my view, the information available strongly suggests that it is important to have a a longer treatment.
The key issue here is:
The second link in the ‘Axis of Evil’ is the group of ‘specialty laboratories’ that provide ‘questionable’ testing for Lyme disease. Ironically it is the patented commercial Lyme tests that are questionable.[32,44] The two-tier Lyme test system endorsed by the IDSA requires a patented, commercially-available IgG screening immunoassay followed by a patented, commercially-available confirmatory western blot. Although this test system has a very high specificity of 99%, meaning that there are very few false positives, the system has a sensitivity ranging from 8-56% based on recent population studies, meaning that the algorithm has ‘coin-toss’ diagnostic utility at best and may miss as many as nine out of ten Lyme cases.[32-35,44] By contrast, antibody testing for HIV has a sensitivity of 99.5%, meaning that it misses only one in 200 HIV infections. The insensitive Lyme test system assures that many Lyme patients will go undiagnosed and untreated, a problem compounded by the IDSA mandate that diagnosis requires a positive commercial test result. Hence, the search for more sensitive testing offered by laboratories that have established superior assays for Lyme disease is a direct response to the flawed commercial Lyme tests and the IDSA mandate that diagnosis rests on these flawed tests.
You should ask your doctor for a longer treatment and send him the above links. Borrelia burgdorferi is a bacteria, not a parasite, but it is correct that a co-infection with a parasite, not is uncommon. This might give Human granulocytic ehrlichiosis and/or even babesiosis.
The legally pertinent word is culpability.
He did it on porpoise. Whether the crab had a haddock or was simply feeling fishy doesn’t matter. He knew what he was doing, or he wouldn’t have done it. Whether he knew that it was wrong or illegal is beside the point.