State Bans Prayer at Christian Institutions ( IL )

worldnetdaily.com ^ | March 07, 2009 | staff

[kellynla]

The Illinois High School Association is being challenged on a policy that bans Christian schools from offering a prayer or any religious message over their public address systems when they host association events on their own property.

"It is blatantly unconstitutional for public school officials to come into private schools and enforce a policy prohibiting them from expressing what's central to their religious beliefs," said David Cortman, senior legal counsel for the Alliance Defense Fund, or ADF.

The ADF wrote this week to association chief Marty Hickman after several private schools complained about the new restrictions. WND left a message with Hickman seeking comment, but the call was not returned today.

[kellynla]

It begins...

[Blogger]

And so it does.

[AliVeritas]

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[Dead Corpse]

This isn’t a “beginning”. This is “end game”.

[G Larry]

It would be difficult to formulate a civil, let alone a Christian response to such an over reach!

“Our “PRIVATE” school will continue to broadcast ANY message we wish, as your authority DOES NOT apply to us and is clearly UNCONSTITUTIONAL!”

[madinmadtown]

How and why any Christian would vote for a Democrat is beyond me. And staying home is a vote for the Democrat, as well.

[jwparkerjr]

They know full well it’s blatantly unconstitutional. But there approach now days is to go ahead and do it and let the damaged party spend years and years and hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not millions, to correct it. Even if they lose in the long run they have prevailed for the time it takes a castrated judicial system to call their hand. And, as an added benefit they have practically bankrupted the aggrieved party. Not bad for a day’s work.

Until we find some way to institute a form of ‘loser pays’ we will have to be content with seeing our freedoms taken away one by one. It’s just too damned easy right now to file a frivolous law suit or pass a frivolous law and depend on the patience or the billfold of the other side to fail at a critical point along the way.

Sigh.

[autumnraine]

This is how Russia started... pretty soon Christmas will be outlawed.

[doodad]

The school should ignore it.

[G Larry]

“How and why any Christian would vote for a Democrat is beyond me. And staying home is a vote for the Democrat, as well.”

They either believe in or hide behind the “compassion” story used by liberals as they employ that method to grow and maintain an oppressed and reliant class.

[kittymyrib]

If state education hacks are trying to take away the right of Christians on their own property, what does IL do for Muslim students who claim their right to pray on public school grounds? Inquiring minds want to know...

[AliVeritas]

The time of troubles.

[HonestConservative]

These guys are asking for a war.

They WANT it. They must. They are hoping the result will be an end to Christianity.

Ya think?

Its been tried, it only served to spread the word.

[bperiwinkle7]

Time for civil disobedience.

It is better to obey God than man.

[ScottinVA]

“It is better to obey God than man.”

Absolutely right.

[668 - Neighbor of the Beast]

They know full well it’s blatantly unconstitutional.

Right, but if you keep poking at it, eventually the Constitution is just another pincushion.

[RoadTest]

Chicago disease (corruption) has spread to Springfield (IL).

[Knute]

Chicago disease (corruption) has spread to Springfield (IL).

Unfortunately, the Chicago Mafia is running the entire country right now

[Blood of Tyrants]

More crookedness from the crooks in Illinois.

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[kellynla]

“pretty soon Christmas will be outlawed?”

in some respects, it already has been...
remember last Christmas, employees were told NOT to wish customers “Merry Christmas”, Christmas parades were changed to “holiday parades” and Christmas lights & Merry Christmas signs were changed to “Holiday” lights & “Happy Holiday”...

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[SunkenCiv]

is being challenged on a policy that bans Christian schools from offering a prayer or any religious message over their public address systems when they host association events on their own property

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

[marshmallow]

It begins...

It began with Madalyn Murry O'Hair. This is simply the next phase.

The beginning was the acceptance of a completely twisted understanding of the Constitution. Once one has accepted the premise that the meaning of ...."Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" .......is actually that the state should actively prohibit the public expression of religious beliefs in its schools and in government, the playing field has already been set.

This effectively establishes the principle of freedom from religion and this mistaken understanding is now almost universal. Thus, it becomes a short hop, step and a jump to arrive at the conclusion that I have a right not to even hear about your religion, even if I come to your religious school.

The whole concept of "freedom of religion" has been turned on its head to mean "freedom from religion" which is a complete myth. Furthermore, how anyone can construe having to listen to a prayer as meaning that religion is being forced upon them, is beyond me. Plug in your iPod if it bothers you that much. Ignore it. Chat to the person next to you. How many times do we have to listen to stuff we disagree with, from the guy in the next car with his stereo up too loud to the guy at the next table in the restaurant who won't shut up about the business deal he's just made.

There is no constitutional basis for the prohibition or banning of any religious expression. Anytime, anywhere. Public or private.

[tob2]

I guess before long it will be unconstitutional to pray in churches too.

[cookcounty]

"The school should ignore it."

Exactly.

[Osage Orange]

"Whatever we once were, we are no longer just a Christian nation; we are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.”

– Barack Obama

[sono]

It gets worse.

[AliVeritas]

Meanwhile... you’ll love this

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/03/08/minnesota-starts-state-sharia-loan-program/

[F16Fighter]

Great post and deconstruction of this fraudulent, unconstitutional fascism in its entirety.

[RebelTXRose]

The excuses I’ve heard in the past: Democrats don’t get us into wars! It’s the “Doves” against the “Hawks”.

Many Christians forget that LOTS of blood had been shed throughout time defending our faith.

[MrB]

nah... this is FAR from the “end game”.

Extermination of Christians is nearer their end game.

[Liberty1970]

Atheism is for all intents and purposes the state religion now. The changes left to be done to formalize this fact are trivial, which is itself a proof that it already is our state religion.

The absence of respect for property rights, freedom of expression, and other basic rights is astonishing in a nation that still talks about being 'the land of the free.' I don't see how any modern citizen of the U.S. can justifiably regard this as a free nation any more.

[MrB]

Same with the removal of the conscience clause.

Simply defy the government on these matters and demand that they must use force to make you comply or take your liberty.

[Hoodat]

Constitution of the State of Illinois - Preamble

We, the People of the State of Illinois - grateful to

Almighty God

for the civil, political and religious liberty which

He

has permitted us to enjoy and seeking

His

blessing upon our endeavors - in order to provide for the health, safety and welfare of the people; maintain a representative and orderly government; eliminate poverty and inequality; assure legal, social and economic justice; provide opportunity for the fullest development of the individual; insure domestic tranquility; provide for the common defense; and secure the blessings of freedom and liberty to ourselves and our posterity - do ordain and establish this Constitution for the State of Illinois.

[madinmadtown]

Including Christ’s.

[Alex Murphy]

...a policy that bans Christian schools from offering a prayer or any religious message over their public address systems when they host association events on their own property.

Ping for later

[HighlyOpinionated]

Who is taking this on?

ACLJ/American Center for Law and Justice? Thomas More? Heritage Foundation?

Donate to those causes because they DO work hard to benefit Christians in the USofA.

[LomanBill]

>>The school should ignore it.

That’s probably the wisest path.

Force the Nazis to enforce their edict and reveal themselves for what they are - with the whole world watching.

It’s the analogous to Gandhi making Salt.

[dinasour]

OMG

Capt. Ed at Hot Air seems to concur.

[little jeremiah]

This cries out for civil disobedience.

[massgopguy]

Some crank wrote a Letter to the Editor of my paper that the bells from the Immaculate Conception Church in Malden were frightening the elderly and the children in the neighborhood. The church has been there for 250 years.

[EdReform]

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[bamahead]

"It is blatantly unconstitutional for public school officials to come into private schools and enforce a policy prohibiting them from expressing what's central to their religious beliefs..."



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Now they're going after private schools....

[metmom]

This is how Russia started... pretty soon Christmas will be outlawed.

With a president who doesn't even celebrate Christmas, it can't be too far behind.

I wonder if there'll be a tree in front of the White House this year.

[Minus_The_Bear]

This is the answer. If your school wasn’t praying before... start. Start subverting.

[del4hope]

Being from Michigan, I am starting to see a pattern.

1)Christianity is ushered out
2)Secularism is ushered in
3)Secularism is replaced with Islam

[metmom]

Exactly....