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Posted on 03/09/2009 7:20:38 AM PDT by boughtwithaprice
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Those ships have MSC personnel running the vessel and contract personnel running the mission.
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posted on
03/09/2009 9:26:20 AM PDT
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stuartcr
(If the end doesn't justify the means...why have different means?)
To: stuartcr
To: Eric in the Ozarks
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posted on
03/09/2009 9:29:11 AM PDT
by
stuartcr
(If the end doesn't justify the means...why have different means?)
To: stuartcr
Sailed MSTS on six crossings of the Pacific. It was back when the Army had its own Navy.
To: autumnraine
Yeah, why do I have that same feeling I get when clicking up to the top of the roller coaster and the first car has whooshed over the drop?i'm not a bit worried about US security. At least not from anything that the DPRK can do.
The real worry is the upheaval that would be caused in the region. The Chinese do business with the south, it's good business, and in the present economic climate, they can't afford to have it end.
Next Korean war won't be fought primarily with US and ROK troops. It will be fought with with ROK and Japanese troops. The ROK and Japanese aren't on the best of terms due to valid historical issues.
Still, the Japanese are REALLY p!$$ed at the DPRK over their missile tests.
If hostilities flare up, i'd expect to see the IJSDF to invade the north and tie up what they can send against the south.
Logistically speaking, the DPRK can only sustain combat operations for about 60-90 days, depending on operational tempo. Probably less, they're not going across rice paddies any more. Trying to move armored forces through built up metropolitan areas that now exist is suicide for those forces, (whether the structures exist or are rubble) and target practice for ROK A-10 Warthogs. Kim Jong Il (or who ever is presently running the DPRK government) might have an earlier-than-expected "retirement".
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posted on
03/09/2009 9:53:34 AM PDT
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Calvinist_Dark_Lord
((I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper))
To: Eric in the Ozarks
Were you on SURTASS vessels?
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posted on
03/09/2009 9:55:17 AM PDT
by
stuartcr
(If the end doesn't justify the means...why have different means?)
To: stuartcr
No. MSTS.
First trip was Seattle to Yokohama in 1951. Last trip was Yokohama to Oakland, 1961.
To: Eric in the Ozarks
SURTASS vessels just go in a search pattern for 90-120 days at about 2kts. They don’t really go anywhere and operate far from normal sea lanes. Of course, with all the stuff in this part of the world, they are lots closer to people than they used to be.
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posted on
03/09/2009 10:03:48 AM PDT
by
stuartcr
(If the end doesn't justify the means...why have different means?)
To: stuartcr
No wonder the Red Chinese are getting the yips...
To: Eric in the Ozarks
No one likes surveillance done close to home.
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posted on
03/09/2009 10:10:51 AM PDT
by
stuartcr
(If the end doesn't justify the means...why have different means?)
To: stuartcr
The MSTS ships I sailed on were:
General Edwin D. Patrick
General George M. Randall
General Mason M. Patrick
General W. O. Darby
General W. A. Mann.
At 11 knots, the Pacific crossings took two weeks. The ships carried troops on the bow and fantail areas and military dependents (including me) in five decks in the midsection. Officers were American civilians and crew were mostly from the Philippines or Guam.
To: Eric in the Ozarks
The first SURTASS ships were monohulls, about 240’ with a beam of 40’ or so and a round bottom. 120 days straight in seastate 4-6 at 2kts, is probably the worst seagoing job on the planet.
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posted on
03/09/2009 10:19:14 AM PDT
by
stuartcr
(If the end doesn't justify the means...why have different means?)
To: stuartcr
40’ beam is kind of narrow. Sounds like they were created for the Great Lakes.
To: Eric in the Ozarks
It was impossible to sleep in your rack, if it wasn’t tied down, it was on the floor, including your bed.
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posted on
03/09/2009 10:42:28 AM PDT
by
stuartcr
(If the end doesn't justify the means...why have different means?)
To: stuartcr
One of our crossings included ten days of really rough weather. Huge swells that looked like they were taller than the ship gave almost everyone the heaves. I remember going down to the bathroom area and seeing several gallons of barf rolling back and forth as the ship rocked back and forth.
To: Eric in the Ozarks
We had a monohull off the Kamchatka peninsula that took a wave completely over the ship. Water went down the stacks, and dead in the water for a couple of days. No resue vessel or even a fly-over like was promised.
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posted on
03/09/2009 11:04:07 AM PDT
by
stuartcr
(If the end doesn't justify the means...why have different means?)
To: stuartcr
To: Eric in the Ozarks
Yeah, a boat that size really makes you humble when you’re in the middle of the ocean.
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posted on
03/09/2009 11:51:12 AM PDT
by
stuartcr
(If the end doesn't justify the means...why have different means?)
To: stuartcr
Wife and I sailed from Two Harbors, MN to Rouge Steel on an Interlake Steamship steamer, fully loaded with ore. With the power plant in the rear and loaded down in the water, our passage was as smooth as silk. Our 'stateroom" was just below the forecastle. The only sound was the occasional splashing of the lake against the hull.
We went through the lock at Sault Ste. Marie at 5 AM. The sun was just rising when we floated through. A big steel mill on the Canadian side popped a flair just as we entered Lake Huron. It was like a big flashlight came on, painting everything slightly orange.
To: Eric in the Ozarks
Sounds like a really nice cruise.
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posted on
03/09/2009 12:02:24 PM PDT
by
stuartcr
(If the end doesn't justify the means...why have different means?)
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