Skip to comments.Obama calls cloning 'dangerous, profoundly wrong'
Posted on 03/09/2009 12:35:24 PM PDT by Former Fetus
WASHINGTON (AP) - President Barack Obama says human cloning is "dangerous, profoundly wrong" and has no place in society. Obama made the comments as he was signing an executive order that will allow federal spending on embryonic stem cell research.
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That's the oldest trick in the book. You talk about reproductive cloning, but speak of cloning in general. Hopefully you please everybody, the liberal left because you allowed therapeutic cloning, the right because you oppose any cloning at all. Right? WRONG! Any person with a minimum background in biology can see through the farce. Obama, stop lying to the American public, we are not buying it.
This is a sad day for America, indeed. Come soon Lord Jesus!
Obama! The United States economy is a train wreck! Stop changing the subject and fix it... and leave Rush alone.
Obama is against human cloning, unless of course, it is Obama being cloned. After that, he can properly LOVE himself . . . .
Bwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaahahahahahahaaaaa! This is a spoof, right? After all, he just passed killing embryos. Insane, this guy is!
Obama is really “satanic”. Everything he does, he also has an alternative moderating view that makes it sound like he is deeply concerned. For every far left move he makes, their is another one to mollify the right. He tries to make it sound reasonable. But the alternative view is empty.
Calling Obama insane is an insult to those, who sadly, are insane.
Of course, cloning will still be allowed by him.
My heartfelt apologies to the insane. ;)
Too late! That genie is out of the bottle...
You are forgiven. I personally think that we could find people who are insane, who would do a better job as POTUS than Obama. /sarcasm off
Democrats clone voters every election. If they didn't, they'd never win.
In fact, it looks like the Dems cloned about 9 million voters in the last election.
54%-46% my butt.
Oh, and by the way; if Obie says he's against cloning, that simply means that in the near future, he'll sign an Order, authorizing cloning. Ya gotta understand Obamaspeak.
I call Obama dangerous and profoundly wrong.
"We are going to ban all earmarks, the process by which individual members insert pet projects without review." - Barack Hussein Obama
"As president, Obama will not sign any non-emergency bill without giving the American public an opportunity to review and comment on the White House website for five days." - Barack Hussein Obama
"No political appointees in an Obama-Biden administration will be permitted to work on regulations or contracts directly and substantially related to their prior employer for two years." - Barack Hussein Obama
"I feel that this is a President and an Administration that...believes in making decisions based on facts and on science as opposed to what is politically expedient." Barack Hussein Obama
Why would BHO consider cloning “morally wrong” when he’s so pro-abortion that he opposed born alive legislation that would prevent abortion doctors from killing a baby when it is no longer legally defined as a fetus?
BHO is anti-life. He’s in favor of abortion, he’s against cloning for reproduction. His position is anti-life.
But throwing a baby in a trash can after it’s survived an abortion is OK???
Give me a break!
He’s against human cloning? But he’s all for using human embryo’s in research and he’s all about killing babies before and after they’re born!!! What??!! Cloning NO, killing babies YES????
What ever his reason for being against human cloning, it sure isn’t about having to kill humans to get there!
These words are so empty it’s hard to respond.
So the Magic One spends 20 or so years at Rev. Wright’s church and is so very pro-abortion? Boggles the mind how someone can claim to be a christian and support the murder of innocent babies? Answer::: they aren’t really christian at all.
I see no argument against cloning that would not be equally valid against fetal stem cell research or even abortion for that matter.
Correct. The President favors human cloning only when it is assured that the resultant human life will be destroyed.
He’s afraid we’re going to try to clone a Ronald Reagan or Winston Churchill.
You don’t have to kill humans to clone humans.
I think you’ve discovered why he thinks cloning is wrong and killing an accidentally born alive baby is not...
well, because the cloning is creating human life, not destroying it. If it were guaranteed to be destroyed, I’m sure he’d be for it.
Insanity is a mental disease. Obama's problems are all by choice, which makes them a moral failing.
I must have missed something here. Can someone please explain why Obama's judgments about right and wrong are profound moral insights that we must all live by, but YOUR judgments and MY judgments about right and wrong are "ideology and politics"?
And besides, as others have pointed out, it's a verbal shell game.
His definition of "reproductive cloning" means starting tiny cloned human beings ---and then nurturing them until they're toddling about and saying "Mama."
He says this kind of cloning is "morally wrong". (True: reproductive cloning is wrong.)
But his definition of "research" or "therapeutic" cloning means starting tiny cloned human beings --- and then experimenting on them or extracting materials from them until they are dead.
He says THIS kind of cloning is "morally right".
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?
No, it's not that Obama has a "direct line to God." It's that he thinks God died and left ~O~ in charge.
However, science should do everything possible in order to ensure that I live and reign forever.
thanks for bursting my bubble. his actions were easier to comprehend when I thought he was insane. LOL!!!!
Moral relativity....runs amok again. BHO has got to go.
Yes, you do. First, you kill and injure women who donate their eggs as the raw material from which cloning starts. Every egg donor suffers, at minimum, some organ damage from scarring and increased cancer risk, but some die outright of ovarian hyperstimulation. Then, you kill jillions of cloned embryos trying to make a viable clone. Then you finally, presumably, if God doesn't stop you, get an actual clone that would otherwise survive to at least produce stem cells (4 days), and you kill it for the stem cells, OR on the really deep, dark side of humanity, you grow it up in a surrogate until it starts forming organs and then you “harvest” the organs. There is already some speculative work on how far along the embryonic development needs to be to have a useful organ for transplant.
I don’t know why it’s “profoundly wrong” either. It may not be the most natural way to start a human life, but neither is IVF. People get weird with cloning.
Too many sci-fi movies, maybe. Like the clone is a monster. Or the clone will emerge fully grown, with a lifetime of memories and personality and ready to take the place of the original.
They seem to forget that we have all dealt with clones, and there’s nothing monstrous about them. We call them identical twins. And they are more alike in terms of age and circumstances of upbringing than any clone of an adult ever could be.
So I don’t get it.
Well his reasoning is sound because someone who create a clone of one of the millions innocent babies he supports the murder of....of course he wants those abortions to stay dead otherwise it might be to traumatic for the woman involved...
geesh...this guy is contradiction after contradiction.
When Dolly the sheep was cloned, did it kill her?
The clone was born “old”, though, cellularly.
The telomeres were as broken off in the lamb the same as they were in Dolly.
Yup. Any gardener who has watched her cuttings take root has created clones. I don’t see what business or right the federal government has telling responsible adults that they can’t use this method to reproduce, if human cloning becomes perfected.
Our celebutard president seems to think he can lie and no one notices.
Maybe his followers are too stupid to know the difference, but not us.
Let’s clone RUSH LIMBAUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“I feel that this is a President and an Administration that...believes in making decisions based on facts and on science as opposed to what is politically expedient.” Barack Hussein Obama
Apparently you misunderstood this latest announcement. What BHO meant to say was that there would be no further cloning. All those statements you cite (and any other instances of flat-out lies you dredge up) were made by Obama CLONES, not BHO himself. He cannot and will not be responsible for the behavior of his clones (nor for any damage they might cause the stock market or economy).
Henceforth, it should be understood that any statements made by a person appearing to be BHO that retroactively turn out to be true were made by the true BHO. Any statements that turn out to be false (which include any decisions that turn out to be unpopular or wreak economic havoc) obviously were made by BHO clones.
Exactly. He’s moving his lips; ergo he’s lying.
Those pesky telomeres. Almost seems like the pre-programmed mortality for Roy and the others in Bladerunner.
I wasn’t suggesting that human cloning for reproduction is a well-developed tecnique or a useful one for the near future. Just that cloning doesn’t, in itself, imply death for anyone.
Why isn’t his judgment against cloning “above his paygrade?”
Who is he to judge?
Obama, are YOU suddenly our moral compass? Bwa ha hahahaaaa. Just because YOU said so? This is bordering on absurdity.
Oh I know that. I was just trying to point out what I see as craziness in obama’s thinking process.
The man see’s nothing wrong with the idea of killing born alive babies or destroying human embryos for research, but he is against cloning? You don’t have to end a life to clone.
Personally I think his moral compass is broken, or maybe he was just born without a soul.
This guy got through Harvard?
However, if your question was about Dolly the Sheep, the only one of hundreds of clones that lived more than a few days after birth, she was killed after a few years because she was suffering many ill effects from being a clone. It turns out that our cells are so different from those of livestock, mice, dogs and cats, that it's an entirely different thing to try to clone human beings at all. It really might not be possible, even with infinite dollars and skill. Results of cloning can be ghastly. I have seen cloned mice, for which there are practical reasons to create, and they are horrible. Very often bisexual, and very unhealthy.
First, I remembered wrong. I thought Dolly was the donor animal used to create the clone. But instead Dolly was the resultant clone. So I agree with you; my question did not make sense.
Second, I am not suggesting that cloning humans is a mature and reliable technical achievement. And I am not presenting an ethical argument. I am not talking about stem-cell reseach or organ harvesting or destroying embryos. I am simply saying that cloning, using an cell from an adult animal and the process of nuclear transfer (as was done with Dolly), does not kill the cell donor.