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Obama calls cloning 'dangerous, profoundly wrong'
Breitbart ^ | 3/9/09

Posted on 03/09/2009 12:35:24 PM PDT by Former Fetus

WASHINGTON (AP) - President Barack Obama says human cloning is "dangerous, profoundly wrong" and has no place in society. Obama made the comments as he was signing an executive order that will allow federal spending on embryonic stem cell research.

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cloning for human reproduction

That's the oldest trick in the book. You talk about reproductive cloning, but speak of cloning in general. Hopefully you please everybody, the liberal left because you allowed therapeutic cloning, the right because you oppose any cloning at all. Right? WRONG! Any person with a minimum background in biology can see through the farce. Obama, stop lying to the American public, we are not buying it.

This is a sad day for America, indeed. Come soon Lord Jesus!

1 posted on 03/09/2009 12:35:24 PM PDT by Former Fetus
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To: Former Fetus

Obama! The United States economy is a train wreck! Stop changing the subject and fix it... and leave Rush alone.


2 posted on 03/09/2009 12:39:29 PM PDT by John123 (The US may be going down the drain, but everyone else will drown first...)
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To: Former Fetus

Obama is against human cloning, unless of course, it is Obama being cloned. After that, he can properly LOVE himself . . . .


3 posted on 03/09/2009 12:39:47 PM PDT by txnativegop (God Bless America! (NRA-Endowment))
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To: Former Fetus

Bwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaahahahahahahaaaaa! This is a spoof, right? After all, he just passed killing embryos. Insane, this guy is!


4 posted on 03/09/2009 12:39:49 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Obama dozed.....people froze.)
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To: Former Fetus

Obama is really “satanic”. Everything he does, he also has an alternative moderating view that makes it sound like he is deeply concerned. For every far left move he makes, their is another one to mollify the right. He tries to make it sound reasonable. But the alternative view is empty.


5 posted on 03/09/2009 12:40:56 PM PDT by crymeariver (Good news...in a way)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

Calling Obama insane is an insult to those, who sadly, are insane.


6 posted on 03/09/2009 12:41:09 PM PDT by txnativegop (God Bless America! (NRA-Endowment))
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To: Former Fetus

Of course, cloning will still be allowed by him.


7 posted on 03/09/2009 12:41:10 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Who is now in charge of the "Office of the President-Elect"?)
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To: crymeariver

BTTT.


8 posted on 03/09/2009 12:41:40 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Who is now in charge of the "Office of the President-Elect"?)
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To: txnativegop

My heartfelt apologies to the insane. ;)


9 posted on 03/09/2009 12:42:33 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Obama dozed.....people froze.)
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To: Former Fetus
"Obama calls cloning 'dangerous, profoundly wrong'"

Too late! That genie is out of the bottle...


10 posted on 03/09/2009 12:43:15 PM PDT by avacado
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

You are forgiven. I personally think that we could find people who are insane, who would do a better job as POTUS than Obama. /sarcasm off


11 posted on 03/09/2009 12:44:18 PM PDT by txnativegop (God Bless America! (NRA-Endowment))
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To: Former Fetus
"cloning for human reproduction"

Democrats clone voters every election. If they didn't, they'd never win.

In fact, it looks like the Dems cloned about 9 million voters in the last election.

54%-46% my butt.

Oh, and by the way; if Obie says he's against cloning, that simply means that in the near future, he'll sign an Order, authorizing cloning. Ya gotta understand Obamaspeak.

12 posted on 03/09/2009 12:44:30 PM PDT by ChicagahAl (Don't blame me. I voted for Sarah.)
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To: Former Fetus

I call Obama dangerous and profoundly wrong.


13 posted on 03/09/2009 12:44:46 PM PDT by Lucky9teen (What this country needs are more unemployed politicians. And SOON!!!)
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To: Former Fetus
"I don't take a dime of their (lobbyist's) money, and when I am president, they won't find a job in my White House." - Barack Hussein Obama

"We are going to ban all earmarks, the process by which individual members insert pet projects without review." - Barack Hussein Obama

"As president, Obama will not sign any non-emergency bill without giving the American public an opportunity to review and comment on the White House website for five days." - Barack Hussein Obama

"No political appointees in an Obama-Biden administration will be permitted to work on regulations or contracts directly and substantially related to their prior employer for two years." - Barack Hussein Obama

"I feel that this is a President and an Administration that...believes in making decisions based on facts and on science as opposed to what is politically expedient." Barack Hussein Obama

14 posted on 03/09/2009 12:44:46 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Only after disaster can we be resurrected." -- Tyler Durden)
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To: Former Fetus

Why would BHO consider cloning “morally wrong” when he’s so pro-abortion that he opposed born alive legislation that would prevent abortion doctors from killing a baby when it is no longer legally defined as a fetus?

BHO is anti-life. He’s in favor of abortion, he’s against cloning for reproduction. His position is anti-life.


15 posted on 03/09/2009 12:45:11 PM PDT by Professor_Leonide (I said to the young man who showed me a photo, "Who can ever be sure what is behind a mask?")
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To: Former Fetus

But throwing a baby in a trash can after it’s survived an abortion is OK???

Give me a break!


16 posted on 03/09/2009 12:46:45 PM PDT by Deo volente
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To: Former Fetus

He’s against human cloning? But he’s all for using human embryo’s in research and he’s all about killing babies before and after they’re born!!! What??!! Cloning NO, killing babies YES????

What ever his reason for being against human cloning, it sure isn’t about having to kill humans to get there!


17 posted on 03/09/2009 12:47:35 PM PDT by GloriaJane (http://www.last.fm/music/Gloria+Jane)
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To: Former Fetus

These words are so empty it’s hard to respond.


18 posted on 03/09/2009 12:50:06 PM PDT by CarryingOn
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To: Professor_Leonide

So the Magic One spends 20 or so years at Rev. Wright’s church and is so very pro-abortion? Boggles the mind how someone can claim to be a christian and support the murder of innocent babies? Answer::: they aren’t really christian at all.


19 posted on 03/09/2009 12:51:53 PM PDT by tflabo
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To: Former Fetus
Obama calls cloning 'dangerous, profoundly wrong'

I see no argument against cloning that would not be equally valid against fetal stem cell research or even abortion for that matter.

20 posted on 03/09/2009 12:53:35 PM PDT by newheart (Obama. We kind of underestimated the creepiness.)
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To: Professor_Leonide

Correct. The President favors human cloning only when it is assured that the resultant human life will be destroyed.


21 posted on 03/09/2009 12:58:05 PM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: Professor_Leonide

He’s afraid we’re going to try to clone a Ronald Reagan or Winston Churchill.


22 posted on 03/09/2009 12:58:35 PM PDT by ponygirl ("It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself." -T. Jefferson)
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To: GloriaJane

You don’t have to kill humans to clone humans.


23 posted on 03/09/2009 1:00:05 PM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: swain_forkbeard

I think you’ve discovered why he thinks cloning is wrong and killing an accidentally born alive baby is not...

well, because the cloning is creating human life, not destroying it. If it were guaranteed to be destroyed, I’m sure he’d be for it.


24 posted on 03/09/2009 1:00:21 PM PDT by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: txnativegop
Calling Obama insane is an insult to those, who sadly, are insane.

Insanity is a mental disease. Obama's problems are all by choice, which makes them a moral failing.

25 posted on 03/09/2009 1:13:03 PM PDT by TurtleUp (Turtle up: cancel optional spending until 2012, and boycott TARP/stimulus companies forever!)
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To: crymeariver
Ah, let me get this straight: Banning research on embryonic stem cells "puts ideology and politics over scientific progress," but human cloning must be banned because it is "profoundly wrong."

I must have missed something here. Can someone please explain why Obama's judgments about right and wrong are profound moral insights that we must all live by, but YOUR judgments and MY judgments about right and wrong are "ideology and politics"?

And besides, as others have pointed out, it's a verbal shell game.

His definition of "reproductive cloning" means starting tiny cloned human beings ---and then nurturing them until they're toddling about and saying "Mama."

He says this kind of cloning is "morally wrong". (True: reproductive cloning is wrong.)

But his definition of "research" or "therapeutic" cloning means starting tiny cloned human beings --- and then experimenting on them or extracting materials from them until they are dead.

He says THIS kind of cloning is "morally right".

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

No, it's not that Obama has a "direct line to God." It's that he thinks God died and left ~O~ in charge.

26 posted on 03/09/2009 1:13:09 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (I was hitchhiking the other day, and a hearse stopped. I said, 'No thanks - I'm not going that far.')
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To: Former Fetus
Obama: Cloning is "dangerous, profoundly wrong" - there can only be ONE of ME.

However, science should do everything possible in order to ensure that I live and reign forever.

27 posted on 03/09/2009 1:18:16 PM PDT by MantillaMilitant (Obama: "I won" America: "We lost")
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To: Former Fetus
President Barack Obama says human cloning is "dangerous, profoundly wrong" and has no place in society.

Why? If clones can be created without risks to their health, why shouldn't cloning be a viable option for those who for whatever reason can not reproduce using the normal methods? Give those genes another lifetime to pass themselves on.
28 posted on 03/09/2009 1:26:06 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: TurtleUp

thanks for bursting my bubble. his actions were easier to comprehend when I thought he was insane. LOL!!!!


29 posted on 03/09/2009 1:27:38 PM PDT by txnativegop (God Bless America! (NRA-Endowment))
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To: Former Fetus

Moral relativity....runs amok again. BHO has got to go.


30 posted on 03/09/2009 1:28:55 PM PDT by blasater1960 ( Dt 30, Ps 111, The Torah is perfect, attainable, now and forever)
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To: swain_forkbeard
RE: You don't have to kill humans to clone humans.

Yes, you do. First, you kill and injure women who donate their eggs as the raw material from which cloning starts. Every egg donor suffers, at minimum, some organ damage from scarring and increased cancer risk, but some die outright of ovarian hyperstimulation. Then, you kill jillions of cloned embryos trying to make a viable clone. Then you finally, presumably, if God doesn't stop you, get an actual clone that would otherwise survive to at least produce stem cells (4 days), and you kill it for the stem cells, OR on the really deep, dark side of humanity, you grow it up in a surrogate until it starts forming organs and then you “harvest” the organs. There is already some speculative work on how far along the embryonic development needs to be to have a useful organ for transplant.

31 posted on 03/09/2009 1:42:29 PM PDT by Missouri gal
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

I don’t know why it’s “profoundly wrong” either. It may not be the most natural way to start a human life, but neither is IVF. People get weird with cloning.

Too many sci-fi movies, maybe. Like the clone is a monster. Or the clone will emerge fully grown, with a lifetime of memories and personality and ready to take the place of the original.

They seem to forget that we have all dealt with clones, and there’s nothing monstrous about them. We call them identical twins. And they are more alike in terms of age and circumstances of upbringing than any clone of an adult ever could be.

So I don’t get it.


32 posted on 03/09/2009 1:48:24 PM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: Former Fetus

Well his reasoning is sound because someone who create a clone of one of the millions innocent babies he supports the murder of....of course he wants those abortions to stay dead otherwise it might be to traumatic for the woman involved...

geesh...this guy is contradiction after contradiction.


33 posted on 03/09/2009 1:50:50 PM PDT by surfer
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To: Missouri gal

When Dolly the sheep was cloned, did it kill her?


34 posted on 03/09/2009 1:54:08 PM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: swain_forkbeard

The clone was born “old”, though, cellularly.

The telomeres were as broken off in the lamb the same as they were in Dolly.


35 posted on 03/09/2009 1:56:10 PM PDT by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: swain_forkbeard

Yup. Any gardener who has watched her cuttings take root has created clones. I don’t see what business or right the federal government has telling responsible adults that they can’t use this method to reproduce, if human cloning becomes perfected.


36 posted on 03/09/2009 1:56:18 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: Former Fetus

Our celebutard president seems to think he can lie and no one notices.

Maybe his followers are too stupid to know the difference, but not us.


37 posted on 03/09/2009 1:58:38 PM PDT by OpusatFR (We can give up any pretense of having a government for and by the people after Coronation Day.)
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To: Missouri gal
First, you kill and injure women who donate their eggs as the raw material from which cloning starts. Every egg donor suffers, at minimum, some organ damage from scarring and increased cancer risk, but some die outright of ovarian hyperstimulation.

How many is "some"? What percentage of women has this happened to? I suspect it's vanishingly low, and decreasing as the techniques advance.

Then you finally, presumably, if God doesn't stop you, get an actual clone that would otherwise survive to at least produce stem cells (4 days), and you kill it for the stem cells, OR on the really deep, dark side of humanity, you grow it up in a surrogate until it starts forming organs and then you “harvest” the organs.

Or the surrogate mother (who could very well be the source of the clone or married to him) delivers the baby and the cloned child is raised like any other child. Why do you assume that the only reason to clone a child would be to destroy it for stem cells or harvest it for organs?
38 posted on 03/09/2009 2:06:26 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: Former Fetus

Let’s clone RUSH LIMBAUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


39 posted on 03/09/2009 2:12:48 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Obama lied.... America died!
40 posted on 03/09/2009 2:13:40 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“I feel that this is a President and an Administration that...believes in making decisions based on facts and on science as opposed to what is politically expedient.” Barack Hussein Obama

Apparently you misunderstood this latest announcement. What BHO meant to say was that there would be no further cloning. All those statements you cite (and any other instances of flat-out lies you dredge up) were made by Obama CLONES, not BHO himself. He cannot and will not be responsible for the behavior of his clones (nor for any damage they might cause the stock market or economy).

Henceforth, it should be understood that any statements made by a person appearing to be BHO that retroactively turn out to be true were made by the true BHO. Any statements that turn out to be false (which include any decisions that turn out to be unpopular or wreak economic havoc) obviously were made by BHO clones.


41 posted on 03/09/2009 2:15:18 PM PDT by DrC
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To: newheart

Exactly. He’s moving his lips; ergo he’s lying.


42 posted on 03/09/2009 2:15:32 PM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: MrB

Those pesky telomeres. Almost seems like the pre-programmed mortality for Roy and the others in Bladerunner.

I wasn’t suggesting that human cloning for reproduction is a well-developed tecnique or a useful one for the near future. Just that cloning doesn’t, in itself, imply death for anyone.


43 posted on 03/09/2009 2:27:40 PM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: Former Fetus

Why isn’t his judgment against cloning “above his paygrade?”

Who is he to judge?


44 posted on 03/09/2009 2:38:19 PM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: Former Fetus

Obama, are YOU suddenly our moral compass? Bwa ha hahahaaaa. Just because YOU said so? This is bordering on absurdity.


45 posted on 03/09/2009 3:16:51 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: swain_forkbeard

Oh I know that. I was just trying to point out what I see as craziness in obama’s thinking process.

The man see’s nothing wrong with the idea of killing born alive babies or destroying human embryos for research, but he is against cloning? You don’t have to end a life to clone.

Personally I think his moral compass is broken, or maybe he was just born without a soul.


46 posted on 03/09/2009 11:52:24 PM PDT by GloriaJane (http://www.last.fm/music/Gloria+Jane)
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To: Former Fetus
And even if he were right in separating cloning from embryonic research, does "SCIENCE" say cloning is wrong? Science doesn't make moral judgements. In a society, there can be religious or personal moral judgements, but in the end, only POLITICS makes such judgements as it affects tax appropriation POLICY.

This guy got through Harvard?

47 posted on 03/10/2009 6:13:57 AM PDT by cookcounty (President Obama's 3 favorite words: "Crisis" "Catastrophe" "Inherited".)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
Unix Geek: To your question: How many women are killed by this?
We don't know, since it is information protected by “privacy” rules, and because the drugs have not been well studied, especially in the long term. However, at least 25 documented deaths from Ovarian Hyperstimulation Syndrome (OHS), mostly reported in England where they actually keep count. Again, there are uncounted cancer deaths and organ failures in long term. But which woman's life do you feel entitled to throw away for the sake of junk science when ethical alternatives are light years ahead of the unethical, and much more cost effective? There are over 700 FDA-approved adult stem cell trials in progress right now. Nearly a quarter of a million Americans have received stem cell treatments using donated bone marrow, their own cells, or cord blood cells, for over 60 different diseases.
On your second question: Why do you assume the only reason to clone a child would be to destroy...?
Answer: 1)Cloning a child to bring it to birth is called reproductive cloning. It's a felony, and even the Lefties reject it. That's why Obama reiterates that “cloning” won't be allowed, when he means only reproductive cloning. Furthermore, it's even less plausible than “therapeutic” cloning (clone and kill) because the odds of getting a healthy cloned human to live to birth are vanishingly small and prohibitively expensive, removing any practical reason on earth to want it. Unless there is some vast change of technology, which overcomes the apparent inherent barriers to human cloning, it will not be possible. The more people try, the more it looks like God has built an insurmountable barrier. However, it's possible that God might give the ungodly what they want, as a punishment.
48 posted on 03/10/2009 7:17:06 AM PDT by Missouri gal
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To: swain_forkbeard
Swain_forkbeard, I'm not sure I understand your question. Dolly the Sheep was the result of a cloning event, not an egg donor. My comment was about the injuries women get from egg donation; increased risk of ovarian hyperstimulation, organ failures and cancer. I forgot to mention loss of fertility. Likewise, the female sheep (they needed many) whose eggs were used to attempt to create Dolly, may also have been given the same drug that women take before egg donation, and would have had the same problems, unless perhaps the eggs were taken from livestock being slaughtered, in which case the scientists wouldn't have seen those problems. They made hundreds of clones before they got one to live to birth, so they needed thousands of sheep eggs. If we were going to try to cure, say, diabetes with cloned humans, and assuming human cloning could become as efficient as cloning Dolly, we would have to force almost every woman of reproductive age in the whole world to donate her eggs.

However, if your question was about Dolly the Sheep, the only one of hundreds of clones that lived more than a few days after birth, she was killed after a few years because she was suffering many ill effects from being a clone. It turns out that our cells are so different from those of livestock, mice, dogs and cats, that it's an entirely different thing to try to clone human beings at all. It really might not be possible, even with infinite dollars and skill. Results of cloning can be ghastly. I have seen cloned mice, for which there are practical reasons to create, and they are horrible. Very often bisexual, and very unhealthy.

49 posted on 03/10/2009 8:00:18 AM PDT by Missouri gal
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To: Missouri gal

First, I remembered wrong. I thought Dolly was the donor animal used to create the clone. But instead Dolly was the resultant clone. So I agree with you; my question did not make sense.

Second, I am not suggesting that cloning humans is a mature and reliable technical achievement. And I am not presenting an ethical argument. I am not talking about stem-cell reseach or organ harvesting or destroying embryos. I am simply saying that cloning, using an cell from an adult animal and the process of nuclear transfer (as was done with Dolly), does not kill the cell donor.


50 posted on 03/10/2009 8:14:56 AM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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