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Rocks Found That Could Store Greenhouse Gas (ultramafic rock & a process called mineral carbonation)
LiveScience.com on Yahoo ^ | 3/9/09 | LiveScience

Posted on 03/09/2009 12:43:13 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

Geologists have mapped 6,000 miles of large rock formations in the United States that could be used to store some of the excess carbon dioxide building up in Earth's atmosphere.

The carbon dioxide released by fossil fuel burning has been continually accumulating in the atmosphere since the start of the Industrial Revolution. ...

Scientists and engineers have proposed several ways to artificially trap and store some of this excess carbon dioxide in underground aquifers and other large rock formations.

Now scientists at Columbia University's Earth Institute and the U.S. Geological Survey have surveyed the United States and found 6,000 square miles (15,500 square kilometers) of so-called ultramafic rocks at or near the surface that could be ideal for storing the excess gas. The locations of the rocks are detailed in a USGS report.

Originating deep in the earth, these rocks contain minerals that react naturally with carbon dioxide to form solid minerals, a process called mineral carbonation that could make for an ideal storage mechanism. Other so-called carbon sequestration schemes have focused on storing carbon dioxide in liquid or gas form, but these proposals have met with concerns about leaks.

The major drawback to natural mineral carbonation is its slow pace: normally, it takes thousands of years for rocks to react with sizable quantities of carbon dioxide. But scientists are experimenting with ways to speed the reaction up by dissolving carbon dioxide in water and injecting it into the rock, as well as capturing heat generated by the reaction to accelerate the process.

"It offers a way to permanently get rid of carbon dioxide emissions," said Juerg Matter, a scientist at Columbia's Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory, where a range of projects to tackle the issue is underway.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: carbondioxide; greenhousegas; rocks; store; ultramafic

1 posted on 03/09/2009 12:43:13 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

How about finding some rocks that provide for efficient storage of electricity?

Egads, global warming chicken littles - do something useful for a change.


2 posted on 03/09/2009 12:45:35 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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What is a Carbon Sink?
http://www.livescience.com/mysteries/070524_carbon_sink.html

You won’t find it in your kitchen or bathroom: Carbon sinks are natural systems that suck up and store carbon dioxide from the atmosphere.

The main natural carbon sinks are plants, the ocean and soil. Plants grab carbon dioxide from the atmosphere to use in photosynthesis; some of this carbon is transferred to soil as plants die and decompose. The oceans are a major carbon storage system for carbon dioxide. Marine animals also take up the gas for photosynthesis, while some carbon dioxide simply dissolves in the seawater.

“Combined, the Earth’s land and ocean sinks absorb about half of all carbon dioxide emissions from human activities,” said Paul Fraser of the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization.

But these sinks, critical in the effort to soak up some of our greenhouse gas emissions, may be stopping up, thanks to deforestation, and human-induced weather changes that are causing the oceanic carbon dioxide “sponge” to weaken, a new study led by Fraser and detailed in the May 18 issue of the journal Science found.

Scientists are looking for ways to help nature along by devising ways to artificially sequester, or store, carbon dioxide underground.

—snip—


3 posted on 03/09/2009 12:45:37 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed.)
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To: NormsRevenge

We should never play with natural processes.


4 posted on 03/09/2009 12:46:00 PM PDT by txnativegop (God Bless America! (NRA-Endowment))
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To: NormsRevenge
So, the plan is to basically feed the Earth an alka-seltzer?

And the cost will be ... what? ... three trillion dollars?

5 posted on 03/09/2009 12:46:32 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (American Revolution II -- overdue)
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To: NormsRevenge

“It offers a way to permanently get rid of carbon dioxide emissions,”

Yeah, but will it make that fat slob Algore a rich powerful fat slob?


6 posted on 03/09/2009 12:46:53 PM PDT by jessduntno ("The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training." - Joe Biden, Idiot)
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To: jessduntno

lol .. Gore would be a great villain in a green James Bond movie.


7 posted on 03/09/2009 12:48:11 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed.)
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To: NormsRevenge
"Columbia University's Earth Institute"

Yeah, I trust them.

Let me guess. All they need is an enormous taxpayer-funded grant to make it work.

By then, we'll have entered the next Little Ice Age.

8 posted on 03/09/2009 12:48:18 PM PDT by ChicagahAl (Don't blame me. I voted for Sarah.)
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To: NormsRevenge

yay, we are gonna be saved by the rocks. does al gore own these?


9 posted on 03/09/2009 12:48:38 PM PDT by tatsinfla
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To: NormsRevenge

Someone swap Oil deposits map with carbon rock map and let’s find Oil accidentally when we drill ?


10 posted on 03/09/2009 12:51:19 PM PDT by 4Speed
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To: NormsRevenge

I’ll take scotch on those rocks.


11 posted on 03/09/2009 12:51:29 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: Da Coyote

> The major drawback to natural mineral carbonation is its slow pace: normally, it takes thousands of years for rocks to react with sizable quantities of carbon dioxide. But scientists are experimenting with ways to speed the reaction up by dissolving carbon dioxide in water and injecting it into the rock, as well as capturing heat generated by the reaction to accelerate the process.

So we are down to rocks now for our future, instead of investing in technology that actually works. God help us from these nitwit algoreacles...


12 posted on 03/09/2009 12:51:29 PM PDT by max americana
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To: NormsRevenge

Great a solution for a non existent problem.


13 posted on 03/09/2009 12:52:01 PM PDT by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: jessduntno

How about “FoGetAbouDit”...it’s all based on a hoax and a faux crisis in the first place.


14 posted on 03/09/2009 12:52:30 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs...nothing more than Bald Haired Hippies!)
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To: jessduntno
Just received two E-mail scams from Africa and now this.
15 posted on 03/09/2009 12:53:43 PM PDT by TweetEBird007
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To: NormsRevenge

The Bulls*it just never ends....


16 posted on 03/09/2009 12:53:58 PM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: jessduntno
Just received two Email scams from Africa and now this.
17 posted on 03/09/2009 12:54:08 PM PDT by TweetEBird007
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To: max americana
scientists are experimenting with ways to speed the reaction up by dissolving carbon dioxide in water and injecting it into the rock

I wonder if these government paid geniuses ever thought about taking that CO2 laden water and using it to make cement blocks?

Then they could make more ugly government buildings with the blocks.

18 posted on 03/09/2009 12:56:22 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs...nothing more than Bald Haired Hippies!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Can’t these people just hold their breath? Forever?


19 posted on 03/09/2009 1:00:44 PM PDT by MaxMax (RINO=RAT!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Removing carbon dioxide will starve plants thereby we will have less oxygen.

You don’t want that do you?


20 posted on 03/09/2009 1:02:12 PM PDT by BillT (New Executive Order to abolish the WS Constitution to be signed to save the US Constitution)
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To: TweetEBird007
Just received two Email scams from Africa and now this.

I sent those emails, I urgently need your help.

21 posted on 03/09/2009 1:02:14 PM PDT by MaxMax (RINO=RAT!)
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To: NormsRevenge

So if the rocks are already there, why haven’t they already absorbed it?


22 posted on 03/09/2009 1:05:09 PM PDT by RtWngr (Being tolerant of the intolerant is pretty stupid actually.)
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To: NormsRevenge

What we desperately need is a formation that can store the massive Barbara Streisand emissions.


23 posted on 03/09/2009 1:06:42 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: NormsRevenge

Rock on.........


24 posted on 03/09/2009 1:08:56 PM PDT by EggsAckley ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.")
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To: NormsRevenge
"Marine animals also take up the gas for photosynthesis..."

Strange animals!

25 posted on 03/09/2009 1:09:16 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: NormsRevenge

Isn’t that what happened with the Biosphere II project? They found the concrete was absorbing so much CO2 from the air that the plants didn’t have enough of it to work with, which in turn caused an oxygen shortage.


26 posted on 03/09/2009 1:12:47 PM PDT by Ellendra (Can't starve us out, and you can't make us run...Country folks CAN survive!!! -Hank Jr.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Mineral carbonation more accurately should be called oxidation. The reactions typically sequester 2 heavier oxygen atoms for every carbon atom. Oxygen should not be permanently taken out of circulation in large amounts.


27 posted on 03/09/2009 1:14:21 PM PDT by Reeses (Leftism is powered by the evil force of envy.)
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To: NormsRevenge
This idea isn't stupid, its great, as it provides an alternative solution to the supposed CO2 excess that doesn't involve handing control of your money and life over to The Government.

The Global Warming alarmists will shy from this idea like a a wet dog at a wedding reception. It is a vast but boring engineering project. It doesn't give them the power they seek. When they disdain this project, it smokes them out as the power-seekers they are.

28 posted on 03/09/2009 1:23:47 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: txnativegop
We should never play with natural processes.

Hardly a drop of rainwater makes it back to the sea anymore without us actively managing the process. We've been messing with mother nature a long time. There are always unintended consequences but it can result in a better quality of life for mankind. But some ideas thought up by man are just plain stupid. Permanently sequestering 2 oxygen atoms for every carbon atom is one of them.

29 posted on 03/09/2009 1:25:43 PM PDT by Reeses (Leftism is powered by the evil force of envy.)
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To: NormsRevenge

“lol .. Gore would be a great villain in a green James Bond movie.”

Bullshit Galore????


30 posted on 03/09/2009 1:25:52 PM PDT by jessduntno ("The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training." - Joe Biden, Idiot)
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To: txnativegop

“We should never play with natural processes.”

“When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the universe.” - John Muir


31 posted on 03/09/2009 1:28:31 PM PDT by jessduntno ("The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training." - Joe Biden, Idiot)
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To: jessduntno

Pity the libs don’t understand that.


32 posted on 03/09/2009 1:29:08 PM PDT by txnativegop (God Bless America! (NRA-Endowment))
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To: txnativegop

“Pity the libs don’t understand that.”

And they all idolize John Muir...


33 posted on 03/09/2009 1:40:44 PM PDT by jessduntno ("The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training." - Joe Biden, Idiot)
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To: jessduntno

As usual, a liberal takes what fits their world-view and ignores the rest.


34 posted on 03/09/2009 1:41:54 PM PDT by txnativegop (God Bless America! (NRA-Endowment))
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To: tatsinfla
yay, we are gonna be saved by the rocks. does al gore own these?

Heck, we've been cap -and-trading these for years:

35 posted on 03/09/2009 1:49:01 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: NormsRevenge
"It offers a way to permanently get rid of carbon dioxide emissions," said Juerg Matter, a scientist at Columbia's Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory, where a range of projects to tackle the issue is underway.

From an encyclopedia in the 23 century:
Juerg Matter Day--The commemoration on April First of the exhumation, mass urination upon, and burning of the body of the man responsible for depleting the earth's atmosphere of needed plant food to the point of causing widespread starvation when not enough crops could be grown in the remaining temperate zones after the commencement of the new ice age.

36 posted on 03/09/2009 1:49:57 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: NormsRevenge

I have an idea. Why don’t we let plants take up the excess carbon dioxide? Idiots.


37 posted on 03/09/2009 1:53:35 PM PDT by stevio (Crunchy Con - God, guns, guts, and organically grown crunchy nuts.)
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To: NormsRevenge
I store my CO2 here


38 posted on 03/09/2009 1:54:08 PM PDT by byteback (nothing says "progressive" like repeating the mistakes of the past)
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To: Da Coyote
I think that rock is called coal (lol).
39 posted on 03/09/2009 1:56:17 PM PDT by Red Dog #1
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To: NormsRevenge; CygnusXI; Entrepreneur; Defendingliberty; WL-law; Genesis defender; proud_yank; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

40 posted on 03/09/2009 2:06:58 PM PDT by steelyourfaith (Yo, Washingtonians, the American people called. They DEMAND their country back.)
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To: Plutarch

Definitely nothing glamorous about it ~ in fact, any conceivable “project” would look remarkably like the landfill operation for any large city.


41 posted on 03/09/2009 2:19:48 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: NormsRevenge
The carbon dioxide released by fossil fuel burning has been continually accumulating in the atmosphere since the start of the Industrial Revolution. ...

I don't believe that. I want to see proof and I want to see percentages and proof that it affects anything.

42 posted on 03/09/2009 5:53:51 PM PDT by TigersEye (Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: txnativegop
We should never play with natural processes.

No more fire? No more fermentation?
So we have to deal with this mess stone cold sober? ;^)

43 posted on 03/09/2009 6:01:30 PM PDT by TigersEye (Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: max americana
The major drawback to natural mineral carbonation is its slow pace: normally, it takes thousands of years for rocks to react with sizable quantities of carbon dioxide. But scientists are experimenting with ways to speed the reaction up by dissolving carbon dioxide in water and injecting it into the rock, as well as capturing heat generated by the reaction to accelerate the process.

They're trying to invent plants, composting and sedimentation? Now if they could just invent a centrally located source irradiation to get the whole process going.

44 posted on 03/09/2009 6:12:50 PM PDT by TigersEye (Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: TigersEye

didn’t you hear, Obama wants us all to sacrifice, fire and fermentation will be our sacrifice. LOL!!!!


45 posted on 03/09/2009 6:16:17 PM PDT by txnativegop (God Bless America! (NRA-Endowment))
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To: txnativegop
I think we should sequester him and Algore in deep layers of rock. Preferably near a subduction zone that will carry them both into the liquid core for recycling.

Frodo! Sam! Could you see your way to one more trip to Mt. Doom?

46 posted on 03/09/2009 6:24:24 PM PDT by TigersEye (Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: TigersEye

Sounds like a plan to me.


47 posted on 03/09/2009 6:33:28 PM PDT by txnativegop (God Bless America! (NRA-Endowment))
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