Skip to comments.Oh, the Debts We Will See! (What's in store for us and our children after this Stimulus/Budget)
Posted on 03/09/2009 2:20:10 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
Going broke without style
$3.6 trillion budget. $1.7 trillion annual deficit. $800 billion plus borrowing stimulus. $600 billion plus in outlays for new nationalized health care, and then another $600 billion again for cap-and-trade.
These numbers are so fantastic, so absolutely crazed, that the thought of ever paying them off boggles the mathematical senses. (I have surreal nightmares that as we haggle with the Chinese for another $500 billion dollar note to fund cap-and-trade, or another DMV-like national health care center, the USS Carl Vinson radios that it is broke and has no credit to buy supplies off Dubai, or its F-18s sit in rows on its deck, gathering brine for want of parts to take off).
They will pay
How many of those diabolical rich making $250,000 and above are there left to gouge to pay for this all? It simply doesnt compute. One is left with the only possibility that we slash defense, or we will inflate our way out, since no foreign debtor will want to supply those staggering sums of cash.
Athens in the fourth century B.C. chose to mint redheads, silver coins with bronze cores that were quickly exposed once the patina around the coins imprinted busts wore off. Rome did the same thing, and by the fourth century AD simply flooded its provinces with money of little real value. Germany paid off its war debts to France in the 1920s, with deliberately inflated German marks. I lived in Greece during the oil-embargo hyperinflation of 1973, and remember buying individual eggs with three or four inked-in price figures crossed out, as the store-keeper kept upping the price each day. (And I remember farming in the early 1980s when full-strength Roundup herbicide seemed to go from $60 to $70 to $100 a gallon in a single year).
What, me worried?
I dont think any one knows what is quite going on. I recently gave a lecture, and a Wall Street grandee afterwards approached the dais, asking me for advice (me, who could not even turn a profit growing raisins, and was a lousy peddler of family fruit for years at Farmers Markets), saying in effect something like the following: Mr. HansonConsider: Real estate badnot going to put money there when Im not sure where the bottom is. Stocks worsehad I got out at New Years, Id have thousands more than I do now. Cash patheticthe interest doesnt even cover whats lost to inflation. So whats leftthe dole?
I had no advice, of course, other than some vague warning that we are in a war against capital, sort of similar to what Sallust and Cicero claim that Catiline and his band of dissolute and broke aristocrats were planning, with his calls for cancellation of debts and redistribution of property.
Here are the possible exegeses.
(a) Clueless. Obama, the community organizer from Chicago with a mere two years plus in the Senate, is clueless. He has never run a business, never served as an executive, never done anything in matters of commerce other than speak and write and authorize spending bills as part of his government job. The result is that he listens to the last person he speaks withand with dozens of advisors with dozens more agendas, we are seeing a herky-jerky, now this, now that, everything but the kitchen sink, sort of governance. This version of the President is a nice guy who wants to please everyone and will please no one.
(b) Not so clueless. Or Obama has a pretty certain, calculated European objective of high taxes, big-spending programs, utopian foreign policy initiatives, and a therapeutic sense of ensuring we are all going to be equal by result. In that sense, the recession was a godsend, since he has a brief window of about six months of fright and uncertainty to ram through programs that will last a lifetime, and whose expense will ensure a vast redistribution of income. His closest advisors are life-long government technocrats who are inured to spending others money and can use tax-free public appurtenances (salaries, perks, benefits, travel, etc.) to emulate the grand lifestyles of those they detest in corporations and on Wall Street. So we will get a new technocrati overseer class to replace the now disgraced masters of the universe on Wall Street. This manifestation of Obama is a hustler of the first order, and almost everything he says from FISA and earmarks to raising the ethical bar on appointments and limits on spending is, well, made up as he goes along, with the assurance that the media is still ga-ga.
(c) A Mean streak. Or there is not so much chaos or European utopianism at work as a sort of primeval dislike of capitalists and those who have access to moneyan angry President Obama whose furor now and again peeks through (remember the clingers speech, the accidental middle finger scratches, and the Robespierre rhetoric). Never mind the hypocrisy involved, or the mega-fortunes at play in the rise of Obamas candidacy. Instead concentrate on the effects, both direct and insidious, of his initiatives on capital of the near-do-well. This is a quadruple whammy:
1) Aggregate tax rates are going to approach 70% in some states, effectively destroying the idea that anyone from the lower classes can ever achieve wealth in a single lifetime, and pass some of it on to his children (increases in estate taxes will be next).
2) The pulverizing of the Dow (cf. Obamas flippant talk of gyrations and advice to invest now at rock bottom prices, as if those who were wiped out have disposable cash to buy more stocks) means that the aggregate wealth in 401(k)s and stocks for millionsalong with equity in homes of the upper middle classes has effectively vanished. In some cases, the lawyer or contractor who a year ago had $400K put away in retirement funds and $300K in home equity has effectively lost half, if not more, of his hard-won wealth. And when one computes the additional taxes on future income he will pay, it will be almost impossible in his remaining lifetime to make it back.
3) The promises of free health and free education for everyone most surely will come with salary considerations and mean-testing (we are seeing that already with ideas floating about charitable contributions). In other words, the more you of the upper middle class will pay for new expansive entitlements, the more likely you will not be eligible to use the full extent of them.
4) The power of anti-rich rhetoric is already beginning to demonize the wealthy as those who have somehow done something wrong in paying the full ticket for their childrens educations, or their own health care, or their full mortgage payments. Of all the things that worry me about Obama, the most troublesome is his conflation of the super wealthywho are so rich that even Obama cannot touch them and who often are his most fervent supporterswith the entrepreneurs, the scramblers of the small business class who make between, say, $250,000 and $600,000.
These already pay over 50% in various taxes, are eligible for almost no government support, do not have access to insider government breaks and special legislation, pay their own wayand create both jobs and new innovations critical to the performance of the U.S. economy. Yet between Wall Street and DC they have been targeted for extinction.
Recently David Frum contrasted what he thought was the ungainly (both physically and morally) image of Rush Limbaugh with that of the suave Barack Obama to underscore how the Republicans must change and assume new leadership. I replied to that charge in a recent corner posting on nationalreview.com, and thought it was rather incoherent in that Limbaugh never claimed to be a national political leader and middle-way conservatives were simply following White House talking points.
Rumors also circulated that Rahm Emanuel, with Clinton emeriti, like Paul Begala and James Carville, are coordinating attacks on the talk show host from the White House. Now the New York Daily News prints a derivative hit piece by a senior correspondent David Saltonstall (note the melodramatic reference to Limbaughs four-part name) that has quips like:
Rush Hudson Limbaugh 3rd, 58, is a thrice-divorced, formerly drug-addicted college dropout who casts himself as a working class hero, yet drives his $450,000 Mercedes-Benz Maybach 57S home to a 24,000-square-foot Florida mansion every night (one of five houses on the property).
Questions, however, arise. Do we really wish to go after the personal lives of entertainers and commentators, who are not in public office, as is true of say, a Bill Clinton, Larry Craig, or Ted Kennedy? Wont this also open up a can-of-wormssuch as If Limbaugh abused prescription drugs, what about the President of the United States who admitted to using illicit drugs like marijuana and cocaine (blow)? Or Is Limbaugh more honest for being rich and fiscally conservative or a John Kerry for being even richer and liberal? Or Is it worse for Limbaugh to use his own money to fly in his own jet, or for a Nancy Pelosi to use ours to fly in ours (and whose is the bigger anyway?).
I dont recall Limbaugh ever saying he was a working class hero and worry more about how Connecticut Senator Chris Dodd got his various houses than I do the five homes of private citizen Rush Limbaugh. I think this invective all started because Limbaugh gave a speech to some conservatives and reiterated that he wished Obamas socialist program initiatives to failfrom that point on, he morphed into the supposed lead target of the Obama hit team, that is rapidly becoming Nixonian in its attack on enemies like Hannity or Limbaugh. Wanting the Congress to say no on the Presidents proposals for socialized medicine, in preference for refining the present system, is not the same as declaring Americas war in Iraq as lost (or hoping it so).
My take? If the multilateral White House insults the visiting British Prime Minister by a less than formal reception ceremony, and sends him packing with a gift box of CDs, and then pleads in its defense it is frazzled and overworked, what is it then doing spending hours to focus on and demonize a talk show host?
Ive come rapidly to the point where I simply do not believe (cf. the claim that all those companies every thirty minutes are going broke due to the lack of federal health care) that what our President says is at all accurate. And worse have come to think that he knows it is not, and, worse still, knows that the media largely know too but will do their part as disciples must. In short, we are soon to see an end to things as they once were for the last quarter-century.
I think its ‘C’
and thats scary
I think it will come not with a whimper, but with several million bangs.
In short, we are soon to see an end to things as they once were for the last quarter-century. OK, so lets sit back and let it happen? I am amazed that we sit day by day and watch an inexperienced man who dispises what america stands for, choke the life out of every American institution, so we have little tea parties across the nation to show them our displeasure. We are loosing our life savings, retirement, college savings and investments. We are all tied to the market not just the rich!, OK the tea parties are a good start but what is the next step? Do you think he hears us? I am disheartened. I hope we bring this to the gates of the Whitehouse right outside his bedroom window
I understand the tea party idea, something symbolic, but it won’t work. The real tea party actually hurt someone, they dumped the tea from the trading company and refused to buy any. The King was counting on the tax from the tea.
I imagine something drastic must happen, something with effect rather than symbolism be it work stoppages, tax revolts or massive sit ins in DC disrupting business.
I don’t know but I agree with your comments. I also believe it will not happen at the ballot box, ACORN has too large of a foothold and cash to let our votes count.
But . . .the Romans demanded tax payments in solid gold and silver. So . . . Obama will hand out billions in fiat currency but demand tax payments in silver or gold. At one time that could be interpreted as an outrageous statement, but the way things are going, it isn't so far-fetched.
HISTORICAL INFLATION DATA:
The Carter hyperinflation took place before the widespread use of the supermarket barcode scanner. In those days every item on the shelf was individually priced with an ink stamp or sticker.
During that time it was common to find items with three, four or more price stamps or stickers. Wise shoppers learned to look over all the items because often the older stock was missed when the stock was marked with the newest higher prices. Frequently you would find the same item marked with several different prices.
People also learned to stock up as much as possible because prices would often skyrocket overnight and the inflation itself led to shortages. So you never knew if you would find the same item next week or what the price would be.
Some months during the Carter years inflation was around 14% -15% - Imagine grocery prices jumping that much every few weeks.
Soon we won’t have to immagine what it will be like. I believe the coming Obama Hyperinflation will make the Carter years look like good times.
Remember this — FDR made possession of gold illegal.
Canned food and shotgun shells - I don’t think it’s possible to repeat this too often.
My tongue was a bit in cheek when I wrote that and then I ran into THIS At any moment I swear I expect to see Alice and the White Rabbit.
Let me know if you want in or out.
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I agree totally with VDH. I really fear for our future.
Ummmm, Rush can answer questions without having someone write out the answers for him...
Maybe it's hard to understand where Obama's coming from because it depends if Rahn, Begala, Alexrod, or Carville are the ones moving his mouth. It's starting to look like the puppet can't even remember his lines without a teleprompter... how pathetic is that?
Thanks for the ping, T
Let me commend to all of you reading this post a most excellent expose of Obama: “Obama Unmasked — Did Slick Hollywood Handlers Create the Perfect Candidate?” by Floyd Brown and Lee Troxler.
Though written prior to the election, and intended to derail the Obama FReight train, Brown and Troxler captured the essence of Obama. Their observations and predictions of/for an Obama Presidency are being realized as I post this observation.
BTW, the authors most accurately predicted the “October Surprise”: it was the George Soros et al manipulation of the money market on Sep. 15, 2008 — a $500,000,000,000 (Yup! $500 BILLION!) manipulation of the market, which led to the Bush/Paulson $700 Billion bailout.
You will recall that McCain was leading Obama in the polls on Sep. 15, when he “suspended his campaign” to return to WDC to “fix” the problem.
He cooked his own goose, is what he did, and he cooked ours, as well.
HST, I do not know what the proper course of action should have been when the money market melted down. Obviously, Bush and Paulson didn’t either.
For starters, if it can be really proved that Soros et al manipulated the market, orange jump suits and a lengthy stay at a Federal Pen (NOT CLUB FED!) seems appropriate.
Perhaps they could room with Madoff?
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