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Obama Administration Starts Thaw with Cuba
newsmax.com ^ | March 10, 2009 | Dave Eberhart

Posted on 03/10/2009 10:21:03 AM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

In the run-up to next month’s Summit of the Americas in Trinidad and Tobago, the Obama administration has moved to ease travel controls and lift limits on cash remittances that Cuban-Americans can send to the island, notes a report in the U.K.’s Observer.

The ground-breaking provisions are featured in a $410 billion spending bill set to be voted on this week. The bill would allow Americans with immediate family in Cuba to visit annually, instead of once every three years, and broaden the definition of immediate family.

It would also nix a requirement that Havana pay cash in advance for U.S. food imports.

“There is a strong likelihood that Obama will announce policy changes prior to the summit,” said Daniel Erikson, director of Caribbean programs at the Inter-American Dialogue and author of The Cuba Wars. “Loosening travel restrictions would be the easy thing to do and defuse tensions at the summit.”

The sanctions presently on the books include:

# No Cuban products or raw materials may enter the U.S.

# U.S. companies and foreign subsidiaries banned from trade with Cuba.

# Cuba must pay cash up front when importing U.S. food.

# Ships which dock in Cuba may not dock in the U.S. for six months.

# U.S. citizens are banned from spending money or receiving gifts in Cuba without special permission, in effect a travel ban.

# Americans with family on the island limited to one visit every three years.

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TOPICS: Cuba; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bho44; bhocuba; cigars; commievote; communist; cuba; first100days; nerobama

1 posted on 03/10/2009 10:21:03 AM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Welfare for Cuba while NerObama parties


2 posted on 03/10/2009 10:23:46 AM PDT by Syncro (I'd rather regret something I did do instead of regretting not doing it.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Depending on how it is done this is one thing with which I can agree. I think that the communism would fall with a more open relationship. The people would provide the tipping point.


3 posted on 03/10/2009 10:24:26 AM PDT by danmyte (dana)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Already theObamoron is emulating his mentor, Jimmuh Cahter who never saw a socialist dictator he didn’t love.

Someday, we will recognize these liberal frauds BEFORE they end up in the WH.


4 posted on 03/10/2009 10:24:40 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

ANOTHER 410 BILLION dollar spending bill? How many trillion is this now?


5 posted on 03/10/2009 10:25:00 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Syncro

There should be no money for Cuba. Just open trade and watch their economy improve naturally.


6 posted on 03/10/2009 10:25:18 AM PDT by danmyte (dana)
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To: danmyte

Oh oh , there goes the hispanic vote.
Well, the Cubans never did embrace Obama that much, I guess.

BO ought to take a little trek to Miami before he makes this move.


7 posted on 03/10/2009 10:25:38 AM PDT by JaneNC (I)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

We’re going to abandon Israel and throw them under the bus, but at the same time, cozy up to the murderous Castro government? WTF?


8 posted on 03/10/2009 10:26:26 AM PDT by Mister Muggles
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To: danmyte
Actually I think Obama is running out of candidates for cabinet positions.

He is looking for that “deep bench” of hardcore commies to replace his present appointees after they quit or are removed.

9 posted on 03/10/2009 10:30:18 AM PDT by AreaMan
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Raul has dumped the younger “heirs apparent” in favor of his geriatric hard-line buddies. But so what? This is all part of the pattern of BO “diplomacy,” left-wing dictators are fellow “progressives.”


10 posted on 03/10/2009 10:31:30 AM PDT by Malesherbes (Sauve Qui Peut)
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To: JaneNC

Unfortunately the new generations are less aware thanks to the k-12 and University indoctrination that passes for education in this country.


11 posted on 03/10/2009 10:32:39 AM PDT by AreaMan
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To: danmyte
I think that the communism would fall with a more open relationship. The people would provide the tipping point.

How's that work'n for the billions of Chinese people?

12 posted on 03/10/2009 10:38:04 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: danmyte
There should be no money for Cuba

But there will be. It's congress and NerObama's plan

Cuba is their ally.

13 posted on 03/10/2009 10:39:57 AM PDT by Syncro (NerObama Parties Hardy And fiddles While American Sovereignty Burns)
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To: Puppage

Vietnam still has the commies in charge. They drive Jaguars now.


14 posted on 03/10/2009 10:43:49 AM PDT by AreaMan
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To: Free ThinkerNY

SCUBA CUBA - plenty of Floridians would take some cheap vacations there if it was opened up.


15 posted on 03/10/2009 10:44:25 AM PDT by Sax
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To: Free ThinkerNY

maybe we will impose sanctions against our allies too.


16 posted on 03/10/2009 10:50:25 AM PDT by GeronL (Will bankrupting America lead to socialism?)
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To: AreaMan
Vietnam still has the commies in charge. They drive Jaguars now.

Yeah, communism is awesome!

17 posted on 03/10/2009 10:51:28 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Puppage
Communism is always awesome when you're the one at the top.

If we open up Cuba the commies will rake it in and the Cuban people may end up having more stuff, eventually. As always the government reserves the right to run you over with a tank.

18 posted on 03/10/2009 10:54:17 AM PDT by AreaMan
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Senor’ Obama:
Do you remeeeember the Cubanos thet come to our shores wheeen Senor’ Carter was in orfface? Most, they were creeminalos thet, your compardre’ Senor’ Castor, let loose on us. Well, Senor’ Obama, you not seen nothing yet thees time!


19 posted on 03/10/2009 10:56:41 AM PDT by meandog (The only "Bush" sounding surname worth a damn belongs to NASCAR's Kurt&Kyle Busch--not GEORGE!)
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To: Syncro

You actually equate Cuba and China in terms of the strength of government? Cuba is a house of cards in my opinion. With their position next to the US, the great poverty that exists there, and the strength of the Cuban community in the US, I beleive that the commies in Cuba could fall. I could of course be wrong. I wanted Bush to do this so as to eliminate another failed commie state. I amy be way off base but Castro just doesn’t seem to be in any great shape these days. Introduce the people there to a much better way of life and I hope that they would tear the palace down. Of course it didn’t work for Kennedy so who knows?


20 posted on 03/10/2009 11:07:29 AM PDT by danmyte (dana)
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To: danmyte

Sorry. last comment was meant for puppage.


21 posted on 03/10/2009 11:08:50 AM PDT by danmyte (dana)
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To: AreaMan

LOL...I hadn’t thought of that angle. With Obama there is always an angle.


22 posted on 03/10/2009 11:09:45 AM PDT by danmyte (dana)
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To: DustyMoment

I fail to understand why Cuba is singled out ( I don’t like them but come on) while we make China a favored trading partner. China is far more dangerous than Cuba.


23 posted on 03/10/2009 11:11:02 AM PDT by nyconse (When you buy something, make an investment in your country. Buy American or bye bye America)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Oh, yeah, way to go Bozo. Piss off one of our best allies, Great Britain, and thaw relations with a country that wants to see us dead. Brilliant. At least he is showing his true marxist colors.


24 posted on 03/10/2009 11:12:13 AM PDT by calex59
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To: danmyte
You actually equate Cuba and China in terms of the strength of government?

No, I didn't mention China.

Fidel isn't running things anymore, his brother is.

And he is aligned with the older hardliners.

They would not be introduced to a better way of life anymore than all the third world countries or "palestine" have been.

The leaders and/or terrorists get most of the money to oppress the people further.

I hope you are right though, as Obama and his minions are dead set on cozying up to communist countries so when their socialistic programs bring us on par with other communist countries they can consolidate power.

25 posted on 03/10/2009 11:14:15 AM PDT by Syncro (NerObama Parties Hardy And fiddles While The American Economy Burns)
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To: meandog
in orfface

What's Barney Frank got to do with this?

26 posted on 03/10/2009 11:15:27 AM PDT by Syncro (NerObama Parties Hardy And fiddles While The American Economy Burns)
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To: Syncro

As I said, my comment was meant for puppage and not you. As for the other comments, I just think that the US under Bush should have acted to get rid of the communists if at all possible. I do not trust the socialist Odumbo to d it correctly or at all.


27 posted on 03/10/2009 11:18:17 AM PDT by danmyte (dana)
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To: danmyte
I see that now.

You posted that notice to you though, and I didn't see it.

Thanks for the clarification.

I don't expect Present Obama to do anything correctly. So far he's hitting zero on that score. Zero hits zero. Apropos

28 posted on 03/10/2009 11:21:31 AM PDT by Syncro (NerObama Parties Hardy And fiddles While The American Economy Burns)
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To: Syncro

Very true.


29 posted on 03/10/2009 11:22:58 AM PDT by danmyte (dana)
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To: danmyte
Of course it didn’t work for Kennedy so who knows?

Oh yeah, Kennedy and Cuba. Here's the stuff that doesn't make it to the History Channel about Pres. Kennedy and Cuba:

"Where are the PLANES!" kept crackling over the invasion ships' radios. That was their commander, Pepe San Roman, roaring into his radio from the beachhead between artillery concussions. Soviet Howitzers (HUGE 122 mm ones) were pounding TWO THOUSAND rounds into the desperately embattled men (and boys). "Send planes or we CAN'T LAST!" San Roman yelled while watching the Russian tanks close in and his casualties pile up.

The pleas made it to Navy Chief Admiral Arleigh Burke in Washington D.C. who conveyed them in person to his Commander in Chief.

Kennedy was in a white tux and tails that fateful night of April 18th 1961, having just emerged from an elegant Beltway ball. For the closing act of the glittering occasion Jackie and her charming beau had spun around the dance floor, to the claps, coos and titters of the delighted guests. In the new President's honor the band had struck up the Broadway smash, "Mr Wonderful"

Mr Wonderful's navy chief was trembling when hearing him speak alright--trembling with RAGE!! "Two planes, Mr President!" Burke sputtered into his Commander in Chief's face. The fighting admiral was livid, pleading for permission to allow two of his jets to blaze off the carrier deck and support the desperately embattled Brigade on that heroic beachhead.

"Burke, we can't get involved in this," replied Mr Wonderful.

"WE put those boys there, Mr President!" the fighting admiral exploded. "By God we ARE involved!"'

And the rest is history...

30 posted on 03/10/2009 11:23:21 AM PDT by AreaMan
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To: AreaMan

Yes, I lived through that time period, and at the time there was a huge cover up going on about the Bay of Pigs incident as if JFK had nothing to do with it. Later it came out what he had done. It was a despicable act by someone people think was a “great” President.


31 posted on 03/10/2009 11:28:01 AM PDT by calex59
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To: AreaMan

Why does this sound like something that could happen today? I see so many similarities...image over substances as being at the core of it all. Do not let them know what is really happening.


32 posted on 03/10/2009 11:31:34 AM PDT by danmyte (dana)
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To: danmyte
Why does this sound like something that could happen today? I see so many similarities...image over substances as being at the core of it all. Do not let them know what is really happening.

Because Pres. Obama's thinks Cuba is a resounding success, it's only the mean'ol U.S. government that has kept them down.

33 posted on 03/10/2009 11:35:45 AM PDT by AreaMan
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To: Free ThinkerNY

FYI

The new Anheuser-Busch InBev has a 45% share of the Cuban market.


34 posted on 03/10/2009 4:15:51 PM PDT by pompelmous (Unintended consequences)
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To: nyconse

With the Cuba embargo, I think that JFK was trying to do something to cover for the fact that Eisenhower had already agreed to help the Cuban rebels overthrow Batista and help establish a democratic government. At the Bay of Pigs, Kennedy didn’t act for reasons we don’t really know.

In the aftermath, particularly after Kennedy was assassinated, it become customary for presidents and Congress to maintain the embargo out of respect for Kennedy’s memory. Is there a reason to continue it today? Beats me. I think we have bigger fish to fry than worry about our relationship with Cuba and it concerns me that Obama believes this should be a high priority effort while this country’s economy continues to plummet into oblivion.

Your point about China is well made and I agree. As a threat to us, Cuba is pretty benign and, IMO, if we were to renew relations with Cuba, it could be a bigger problem for Cuba than us. There would be increasing pressure by the Cubans for government reforms that lead to more freedoms and greater democracy.

Stranger things have happened.


35 posted on 03/11/2009 6:36:20 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Embagro NYC, LA, San Fran.

They pose a greater threat to the US than Cuba.


36 posted on 03/11/2009 6:54:34 PM PDT by NoLibZone (The ObamaNation - Calls 911 to report : "My McNuggets are an emergency")
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Tuesday, September 2, 2008

Meet Fidel Odinga


Yes, his complete name is Fidel Castro Odinga. He is the eldest son of Kenyan Prime Minister Raila Odinga and a first cousin to Barack Hussein Obama. The late Obama Sr. was the prime minister's maternal uncle. Although Obama Sr. was educated at Harvard and Odinga in East Germany, uncle and nephew were friends and political allies.

Today it is Barack Obama and Raila Odinga who have formed a transcontinental political alliance. In fact, Senator Obama, in an unprecedented breech of protocal, went to Kenya in 2006 to campaign on his cousin's behalf in that country's presidential election.

Raila lost the election when a secret pact was revealed with Kenya's Muslim Brotherhood to institute sharia law in all the country's courts in exchange for their support of his candidacy. This is all the more remarkable because it is Christianity (66%), not Islam (10%), which is the largest religion in Kenya, and English common law, not the Koran, which is the basis for its legal system. Or, perhaps, it is not so remarkable, after all, since both the Odingas and Obamas belong to the 10 percent.

Although not an observant Muslim, Odinga does represent Moammar Qaffafy's oil interests in southern Africa, which may better explain his willingness to tranform his non-Muslim country into a Muslim state as Idi Amin did in Uganda when he was the recipient of the colonel's largesse 30 years ago.

Odinga's connection to Barack Obama, however, has proved more useful in his political career than Qadaffy's billions. It was in the expectation of Obama's election as president, and to ingratiate himself to him, that Odinga's political rival offered him the premiership as a consolation prize.

When Prime Minister Odinga named his son "Fidel Castro," he broke with Kenyan tradition as he should have named him for the boy's grandfather Oginga Odinga (the Kenyan "Fidel Castro"), a Marxist-Leninist revolutionary who led an unsuccessful coup to topple the government of Kenya on behalf of the Soviets.

It is not known whether Oginga Odinga's brother-in-law, Obama Sr., was involved in the coup, though given the tribal character of politics in Kenya it would be difficult to imagine that he wasn't at least aware of it or wouldn't have profited by it even if he didn't contribute to it. Indeed, that may have been the reason for Obama Sr.'s failed political career in Kenya.

It is certainly ironic that Obama Sr.'s star eclipsed because of his relationship to Oginga Odinga, whereas his son Raila's rose because of his connection to Obama Jr.

We wonder how things might have turned out if Obama Sr., the Harvard-trained economist, had followed his cousin's example and named his American-born son "John Maynard Keynes Obama."

37 posted on 03/11/2009 6:58:57 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: DustyMoment

I think there is far more chance of transmitting democracy to Cuba then to China via trade. Also, thanks for your explanation about why Cuba has been punished if you will for so long...it’s a good one...and I think it is true.


38 posted on 03/12/2009 11:30:25 AM PDT by nyconse (When you buy something, make an investment in your country. Buy American or bye bye America)
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To: nyconse
I think there is far more chance of transmitting democracy to Cuba then to China via trade.

I fully agree. The Castros have one foot in the grave as I type and the Cubans still in Cuba are ready. The ones in Miami are prepared to return to Cuba and lead the country to a new era of democracy.

Besides, I'd like to go, someday. According to everything I've read, Cuba used to be a fun, swinging place in its day ('30s, 40s and 50s). It will cost as much as the Obamoron is poring down the toilet in government handouts but, with sufficient investment capital, Cuba could return to its "party nation" reputation once they are finally rid of the Castros.

39 posted on 03/12/2009 5:53:22 PM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: DustyMoment

My Dad went there he said it was beautiful and that the people were really nice.


40 posted on 03/12/2009 6:36:45 PM PDT by nyconse (When you buy something, make an investment in your country. Buy American or bye bye America)
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