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Scale of Serbian Cluster Bomb Problem Revealed for First Time
Serbian Media Center. Belgrade ^ | March 10, 2009 | Norwegian People's Aid

Posted on 03/11/2009 5:32:33 AM PDT by Ravnagora

Press release

Tuesday, March 10, 2009.

(Belgrade, 10. March 2009) Ten years after the NATO bombing of Serbia, unexploded cluster munitions still represent a deadly threat to tens of thousands of people living in 16 municipalities in Serbia. A survey implemented by Norwegian People’s Aid for the first time details the scope of the impact of cluster bombs in the country. The results of the survey were presented at a press conference in Belgrade today.

Regional Director of NPA in southeast Europe Emil Jeremic explained that ”with the comprehensive survey Serbia now has a tool for solving the problems of cluster contamination in affected communities. Serbia should sign t he Convention on Cluster Munitions that would open the door for support to clearance and victims assistance and uphold their earlier committment to the Oslo process to ban this indiscriminate weapon.”

Cluster bombs were used in 105 deployment zones during the NATO intervention in 1999. Four types of sub-munitions were used, the total number of sub-munitions dropped was around 37,000 and of these, an estimated 2,500 are left unexploded in the ground. Immediately after the bombing Serb military forces undertook surface clearance in a number of areas, but no data is available on this clearance. Since then humanitarian clearance has been undertaken in around 4 km2 with around 250 unexploded submunitions cleared.

The total suspected hazard area covers 30.7 km2 in 16 municipalities, an area around the size of New Belgrade. Accidents recorded to date have resulted in 191 victims, 31 fatal and 160 suffering injuries. More than 88,000 people live close to hazard areas in 28 local communities.

”Serbia was not only participating but was a leader in the process to ban cluster bombs, especially on issues related to securing better lives and livelihoods for survivors, their families and all those affected,” said Dejan Dikic a civilian victim of cluster munitions who lives in Nis and has been a prominent advocate for the global ban. ”Too many people have been killed or injured already by cluster munitions. We do not want to see any more victims from these weapons and the only way to prevent this is by signing the treaty and clearing the land.”

Characteristics of the contaminated areas made inaccessible for productive use indicate significant and va ried socio-economic impacts of cluster contamination in Serbia: 33% of the contaminated area is agricultural land, around 20% is hampering the reconstruction of settlement infrastructure and utilities, 14% of contaminated land is preventing reconstruction of housing units, whereas in 9% of the areas development of tourism is hindered by cluster contamination, and 8% blocks exploitation and maintenance of forests.

”We see the same pattern of harm from cluster bombs in Serbia as we have seen in conflict after conflict around the world. They are indiscriminate when they are dropped and keep on killing for years afterwards. This is why most of the world has banned them and why the weapons will soon become a thing of the past. Serbia needs to choose whether it wants to live in the past or look to the future,” said Thomas Nash, Coordinator of the Cluster Munition Coalition.

The predicted area for clearance of cluster munitions in Serbia is 15 km2. Clearance of contaminated areas is the only solution to the problem and will remove the risk posed by cluster munitions to the population in currently affected communities, and return inaccessible land to productive use. The majority of contaminated areas are found in southern and central parts of Serbia, in municipalities that are among the poorest in the country.

http://www.mc.rs/upload/documents/izvestaji/2009/Mart/Report-on-the-impact-o-unexploded-cluster-submunitions-in-Serbia.pdf

The survey project has been funded by the Norwegian Ministry of Foreign Affairs and was implemented as a regional project involving the NPA humanitarian mine action programme in Bosnia and Herzegovina, NPA regional office for southeast Europe in Belgrade, and the Serbian Mine Action Centre.

Notes to editors:

Types of submunitions used are: US manufactured BLU 97; UK manufactured MK 1 and MK 4 (also known as BL755) and US manufactured MK 118.

Contact persons:

Emil Jeremic, Regional Director NPA southeast Europe, mobile +381 63 37 47 75

Per Nergaard, Head, Mine Action Department, NPA Head Office, mobile: +47 90 98 03 11

Thomas Nash, Co-ordinator Cluster Munition Coalition, mobile +44 77 11 92 67 30


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bombs; clintonlegacy; clintonsfault; clintonwarcrimes; serbia; wrongside; wrongwar

1 posted on 03/11/2009 5:32:33 AM PDT by Ravnagora
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To: Ravnagora

Simple math (using these stats) says that roughly 10% of bomblets did not explode after dispersal. I wonder if that is ‘usual and customary’?

I also wonder of the estimated total of 2500 is akin to the estimated number of civilian deaths in Iraq (caused by coalition forces’ actions).


2 posted on 03/11/2009 5:50:27 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: Ravnagora

Clintoon’s fault!


3 posted on 03/11/2009 6:08:24 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: joan; Smartass; zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; Honorary Serb; jb6; Incorrigible; DTA; vooch; ...

Clinton lied and Serb civilians are still dying.


4 posted on 03/11/2009 7:17:13 AM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: Ravnagora; All

To clarify: The photo was included by me to “visually” describe the act of “cluster bombing” an area. The land in the photo is not Serbian land to my knowledge.


5 posted on 03/11/2009 7:28:54 AM PDT by Ravnagora
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To: FormerLib

One of the requests that ex Serbian President Slobodan Milosevic made while still alive and in the Hague, was that Clinton be called to appear and be cross-examined at the War Tribunal.


6 posted on 03/11/2009 7:31:31 AM PDT by Ravnagora
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To: Ravnagora

It looks like one of the tests run on the B-1. The T-38 chasing the B-1 indicates that it’s not a combat mission. The T-38 is a trainer and not a combat plane.


7 posted on 03/11/2009 8:00:19 AM PDT by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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To: Ravnagora
The United States in defense of Islamic Terrorists in the Balkans prior to 09/11/01.

The Bible teaches us we Reap what we sow,too bad our leaders are reading the Quran.

8 posted on 03/11/2009 8:28:15 AM PDT by gitmogrunt (The stupidity of the American people never ceases to amaze me.)
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To: Ravnagora
The war against Serbs had and has nothing to do with justice, rights, Albanians, Serbs, Bosnians. The UN Charter, NATO Charter, International laws, the rights of Serbs living in Croatia, Kosovo, Bosnia, etc etc where completely ignored.

This was planned as soon as Russia fell on her knees and Germany was raised from the dead. The German plan for Serbs was installed during the original new world order. The copy new world order liked his plan and adopted it. Much like the NAZI scientists, doctors and engineers “civilized nations” adopted after WII.

Serbs do not matter and are expendable when it comes to the interests of Germany and the West, including the East. They are a small fish and do not matter. Always have been and always will be.

There have been more empires and powerful nations that have rolled through Serbia than damn near any place on earth. They love the sea, the women, the silver mines, the coal but only if they can just get rid of those pesky Serbs who are a strong people and refuse to fall in line with people that do not have their best interests in mind.

The only hope for Serbs is God.

9 posted on 03/11/2009 8:33:34 AM PDT by SQUID
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To: Ravnagora
That land is definitely NOT Serbia.

Also, that T-38 flying chase clearly indicates it's a test bombing not a combat mission.

10 posted on 03/11/2009 8:36:11 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Looks like the Sonoran Desert to me, thus, Nevada.

And yes, that is my final answer.

11 posted on 03/11/2009 9:10:28 AM PDT by I Buried My Guns (FMCDH - BITS - BLOAT, and all that other stuff)
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To: SQUID
What the patron saint of the Serbs said centuries ago, still hold true:

“At first we were confused. The East thought that we were West while the West considered us to be East. Some of us misunderstood our place in the clash of currents so they cried that we belong to neither side and others that we belong exclusively to one side or the other. But I tell you Ireneus, we are doomed by fate to be the East in the West and the West in the East, to acknowledge only heavenly Jerusalem beyond us and here on earth--no one.” —St. Sava to Irenaeus 13th Century

12 posted on 03/11/2009 10:44:54 AM PDT by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: joan; Smartass; zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; Honorary Serb; jb6; Incorrigible; DTA; vooch; ...

13 posted on 03/11/2009 10:47:38 AM PDT by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: mbynack; ArrogantBustard; I Buried My Guns

See Post 5: The original poster clearly identifies the photo as NOT being over Serbia.


14 posted on 03/11/2009 11:33:45 AM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: FormerLib
The land in the photo is not Serbian land to my knowledge.

The original poster expressed some uncertainty. I confirmed that "his knowledge" is, in fact, correct.

15 posted on 03/11/2009 11:39:56 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Ravnagora

Blame vile NATO and vile Bill Clinton. Europe had in for the Serbs. Their punishment in Albania and Kosovo criminal gangs plaguing the UK, Holland and other nations. Terminally naive. Europe the land of the naive fools (on Islam at least)


16 posted on 03/11/2009 11:43:49 AM PDT by dennisw (0bomo the subprime president)
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To: FormerLib
The original poster clearly identifies the photo as NOT being over Serbia.

Actually he says "to the best of his knowledge". That's why I posted my reply - as did several other people who understood what he was saying.

17 posted on 03/11/2009 12:46:44 PM PDT by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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To: Bokababe
This is good big picture thinking.

To be clear, my whole point is, cluster bomb shmuster bomb. NATO countries couldn't care less because they were never about justice in the first place. Why would they care now?

This kind of stuff has been going on since time began. It's just that the arrogance of these politicians makes them think they actually invented something new.

18 posted on 03/11/2009 1:57:04 PM PDT by SQUID
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To: SQUID
"To be clear, my whole point is, cluster bomb shmuster bomb. NATO countries couldn't care less because they were never about justice in the first place. Why would they care now? This kind of stuff has been going on since time began. It's just that the arrogance of these politicians makes them think they actually invented something new"

And I agree. And when you posted "The only hope for Serbs is God", it reminded me of that quote from St. Sava that I thought that I'd share.

19 posted on 03/11/2009 3:34:42 PM PDT by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: ArrogantBustard

I clarified in post #5 in this thread that I used the photo I found as a “visual” depiction of what cluster bombing looks like. It was not intended to depict the actual bombing of Serbia, but it certainly represents the act of bombing.

I don’t know if there are actual arial photos of the bombing of Serbia. There are certainly photos taken on the ground after the fact. And the 1999 bombing was a 78 day bombing campaign.

How brave to bomb from the sky!


20 posted on 03/11/2009 5:53:26 PM PDT by Ravnagora
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To: SQUID
The only hope for Serbs is God.

I think that this one simple truth applies to all of us.

What still amazes me, no matter how many times it shows itself, is the extent to which people have lost their fear of God.

The bombing of Serbia in 1999 coincided, I believe, with the 50th anniversary of NATO.

What a lovely way to celebrate and to "prove" one's viability as an organization.

21 posted on 03/11/2009 6:00:38 PM PDT by Ravnagora
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To: Ravnagora
1) See #15 and #17.

2) If you intend any disrespect to the men and women of the United States Air Force, you're perfectly welcome to fuck yourself.

22 posted on 03/11/2009 6:03:51 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
ArrogantBustard said:

If you intend any disrespect to the men and women of the United States Air Force, you're perfectly welcome to fuck yourself.

I do not intend, nor will ever intend, any disrespect to the men and women of the United States Air Force. As a matter of fact, I've written extensively about the USAF, and ALWAYS with respect. There is nothing in my posting that reflects disrespect on any level.

Most ironically, it has been members of the United States Air Force who have publicly spoken out in defense of the Serbs and just how good an ally they have been to America through the years.

Thank you for your sentiments. I will take the high road.

__________

23 posted on 03/11/2009 6:33:30 PM PDT by Ravnagora
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To: Ravnagora
You wrote:

How brave to bomb from the sky!

Now ... I can't read your mind, only your words as printed on a computer screen. In context, that appears (to me) to be a snide, sarcastic, backhanded slap implying that USAF are cowards. It is the sort of thing I expect to see (having seen it many times) from stinking, unwashed, communist hippies who haven't a clue as to the meaning or nature of courage and honour.

Please clarify exactly what you meant by that comment.

24 posted on 03/11/2009 6:42:48 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Now ... I can't read your mind, only your words as printed on a computer screen. In context, that appears (to me) to be a snide, sarcastic, backhanded slap implying that USAF are cowards. It is the sort of thing I expect to see (having seen it many times) from stinking, unwashed, communist hippies who haven't a clue as to the meaning or nature of courage and honour.

Now that I know what you are referring to, I completely understand why you made the comment that you did. On the surface, you are right - my comment "How brave to bomb from the sky!" WAS sarcastic and intended as such. I'm glad that you're giving me an opportunity to clarify, because I can certainly see how that can be taken as an insult to the USAF.

I assure you that my comment was not meant as an affront to the USAF and I apologize if it was interpreted that way. I was directing my comment to the politicians and policy makers who issued the directive to bomb from the sky, as opposed to sending ground troops in to fight face to face with the Serbs. My comment was directed at NATO, not the USAF.

Bombing a country and a people, including the civilians, from the sky is not a brave act as it was carried out in March 1999 against Serbia. I hope you understand what I'm saying. These "bombers" were attacking "easy targets" and they weren't faced with an opposing air force, such as when the U.S. or the Allies faced the German air force "face to face" in the sky in WWII. There's a difference, at least from this civilian's perspective. Please help me understand how it could be considered "courageous" (and I mean that sincerely, without sarcasm.)

For me, in the context of the bombing campaign against Serbia in 1999, it was the Serbs on the ground, both the military and the civilians, who were the courageous ones.

I hope you understand. And I agree with you 100 percent about those people who disparage the U.S. Military as being critics who have no clue about the meaning or nature of courage and honour. I feel that same way about those who disparage Law Enforcement Officers as well.

I think this is an important discussion. Thanks for the opportunity. It was extremely difficult for this American to reconcile what was happening in 1999, being a person who felt loyal to BOTH sides of that conflict. Talk about being "torn"...

________________

25 posted on 03/11/2009 7:03:12 PM PDT by Ravnagora
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To: Ravnagora

Briefly, a bomber force faces two threats from the enemy: interceptors, and AAA/SAMS. There may not be the “face to face combat” of WWI (which was already disappearing in WWII), but that doesn’t mean it isn’t real combat with two sides doing their best to kill each other. A modern air defense network (even without interceptors) is lethal. If its operators are competent, anyway.


26 posted on 03/11/2009 7:15:14 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Ravnagora
Well, my friend, there is one certainty for all of us and you know what that is. Once that takes place we will be judged on our character not by history but by God Himself. We can write all the greatest things for the sake of our legacies, but He won't be reading those stories.

When He sent His Son He sent Him as a servant. The next time He comes He will come as Master. At that point the time for forgiveness will be over. All the works of men will be revealed. Then He will teach us what true justice, power and authority really is.

27 posted on 03/12/2009 7:01:57 AM PDT by SQUID
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To: ArrogantBustard

What kind of asinine reply is that?


28 posted on 03/12/2009 8:13:56 PM PDT by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: montyspython
Read #26 and that will most likely explain the mentality underlying your question.
29 posted on 03/12/2009 11:19:05 PM PDT by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: Ravnagora
These bombs are nasty. In fact a UN Court jailed a Serb (Milan Martic) for 30 years for launching these cluster bombs in the heavily populated Zagreb:

"Also on the 5 th of May 1995 , in a meeting with the United Nations Special Envoy Yasushi Akashi, Milan Martić stated, in response to Yasushi Akashi's condemnation of the attacks, that " [ h ] ad I not ordered the rocket attacks [ . ] they would have continued to bomb our cities". Milan Martić then proceeded to threaten to resume the attacks if their conditions were not met. Milan Martić spoke of "massive rocket attacks on Zagreb which would leave 100,000 people dead.""

http://www.un.org/icty/pressreal/2007/pr1162e-summary.htm

30 posted on 03/13/2009 6:58:10 AM PDT by nameless-fool (Dobrica Cosic: "Lying is a trait of our patriotism and the proof of our innate intelligence.")
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To: Ravnagora

“How brave to bomb from the sky!”

I guess subterranean bombing would have been preferable.


31 posted on 03/13/2009 7:03:23 AM PDT by verity ("Lord, what fools we mortals be!")
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To: nameless-fool

Where is that archaeological evidence I asked you to produce or are going to continually chicken out?


32 posted on 03/13/2009 7:22:33 AM PDT by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: Ravnagora
That photo is from Nellis AFB bombing range. It is in Nevada.
33 posted on 03/13/2009 7:27:20 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Why?)
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To: montyspython
Where is that archaeological evidence I asked you to produce or are going to continually chicken out?

Serbs deny Srebrenica with all those pictures and even video, yet you expect me to try to convince you with archeological evidence that your 'Jerusalem' was inhabited by Albanians long before you were chased out of Carpathian Mountains /Russia.

Where did the Albanians come from? Tell us, it's easier that way.

34 posted on 03/13/2009 7:31:34 AM PDT by nameless-fool (Dobrica Cosic: "Lying is a trait of our patriotism and the proof of our innate intelligence.")
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To: nameless-fool

So, when are you going to produce it?


35 posted on 03/13/2009 1:53:58 PM PDT by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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