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Darwin's arguments against God
CMI ^ | Russell Grigg

Posted on 03/11/2009 8:26:34 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

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To: sickoflibs

Many of the “dinosaurs”(big lizards) that were thought to have existed at the time Noah did were really quite small, no bigger than a horse. larger ones would be taken as babies, even their tiny eggs, not full grown adults.


51 posted on 03/11/2009 10:41:00 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: sickoflibs

who said hte dinos were even around hten? Certainly not I- I thought you old age earthers said dinos supposedly died out 100’s of millions ofyears ago? Could they not have died before hte flood IF the earth were young too? Your attempts at dismissing the ark are making me laugh

[[Imagine Noah putting the Tyrannosaurus on his Ark with the other animals 10K years ago.. You cant be serious.... You NEVER hear Creationists debaters tell audiences this.]]

Lol- Again, you contradict yourself- you beleive the dinos died out 100’s of millions of years ago- and hten insist that they must have been alive when Noah built the ark- it’s laughable the contradictions you folk display

[[They skip it completely because they dont want to be laughed at .]]

We’re too busy laughign at you folk to mention the contradicitons with your claims I’m afraid


52 posted on 03/11/2009 10:41:02 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Nathan Zachary
And as far as plate tectonics go, you better brush up on your schooling. It’s a very flawed THEORY, like al theories put together to support another flawed theory are.

Got it. It's a human-lookin' 'God' in a white robe, touchin' an Adam's Finger, right? And anything evenly slightly divergant from this exact viewpoint is a SIN, right?

Do I got it right now?

53 posted on 03/11/2009 10:45:21 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("We beat the Soviet Union, then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: sickoflibs
Oh Please. If you have to stoop to personal attacks, leave.

There is plenty of garbage written about "fossil layers" that is easily disputed by anyone simply applying common sense, and with a little knowledge about geological changes the earth goes through during flash floods, hurricanes, entire mountain sides sliding off, which we've even seen during our lifetimes. Imagine what happens to "fossil layers" when entire continents rip apart and slide a few thousand miles ina matter of hours.

54 posted on 03/11/2009 10:45:42 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Lazamataz

[[Do I got it right now? ]]

No you don’t- but keep searching- someday hte light will dawn.


55 posted on 03/11/2009 10:51:52 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: sickoflibs

Do you even realize what the earths crust represents in relation to the size of the earth?

Imagine an onion, and now peel off one thin layer (1 millimetre (0.04 inch) thick) THAT is the crust of the earth,(which is anywhere from 5-70 Km thick,(5-15 under oceans,15-20 KM on continents) sitting on an inner layer called “The Moho” (which is exposed at the mid atlantic rift) and we don’t even know much about that beyond 3 miles or less. And that is considered a deep drill hole.


56 posted on 03/11/2009 10:54:10 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

[[Imagine what happens to “fossil layers” when entire continents rip apart and slide a few thousand miles ina matter of hours.]]

Dontachaknow? Creationists aren’t allowed to imagine- if htey do, they are accused of psuedoscience- while Evos get a free pass to imagine non existant creatures of all kinds, and htey call that science. Continents ripping apart couldn’t possibly upset fossil layers- absurd- it’s unreasonable to imagine anythign liek that- great upheavals couldn’t possibly upset layers (But evos, when explainign away the many many inconsistancies in fossil finds in layers are quick to ‘imagine’ scenarios like comets slamming hte earth, or whatever to ‘explain’ the evidence away that contradicts their hypothesis)


57 posted on 03/11/2009 10:56:04 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Lazamataz

That sounds about right for the level of intellect your brain has “evolved” toward.


58 posted on 03/11/2009 10:57:08 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Lazamataz

Of course you might be Muslim, and believe the earth is a disk on a cows back, which is standing on a cup, or a fish, or something along those lines.


59 posted on 03/11/2009 10:59:06 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: uglybiker

LOL!

Good one!


60 posted on 03/11/2009 10:59:58 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Nathan Zachary
entire continents rip apart and slide a few thousand miles ina matter of hours.

Do you study geology?

61 posted on 03/11/2009 11:06:50 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
Do you study geology?

No I just build hydro dams. I study geological reports though.

62 posted on 03/11/2009 11:16:38 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary
No I just build hydro dams. I study geological reports though.

What's your basis for claims of "entire continents ripping apart and sliding a few thousand miles in a matter of hours."?

63 posted on 03/11/2009 11:21:18 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Nathan Zachary
where is the river delta from all the silt that should be at the outlet of the Colorado river where it empties into the gulf of California after carving out the grand canyon for millions of years?

From Wikipedia:

Until the early 20th century the Colorado River ran free from its headwaters in the Rocky Mountains of Colorado south into Mexico, where it flowed into the Gulf of California. Significant quantities of nourishing silt from throughout the Colorado River Basin were carried downstream, creating the vast Colorado River Delta.

Prior to the construction of major dams along its route, the Colorado River fed one of the largest desert estuaries in the world. Spread across the northernmost end of the Gulf of California, the Colorado River delta’s vast riparian, freshwater, brackish, and tidal wetlands once covered 1,930,000 acres (7,810 km²) and supported a large population of plant, bird, and marine life. Because most of the river’s flow reached the delta at that time, its freshwater, silt, and nutrients helped create and sustain a complex system of wetlands that provided feeding and nesting grounds for birds, and spawning habitat for fish and marine mammals. In contrast to the surrounding Sonoran Desert, the Colorado River delta’s abundance was striking.

From the Grand Canyon River Guides site:
For eons, from its very beginning, the Colorado River dumped its ever present load of silt and soil into the blue waters of the Sea of Cortez. A typical river delta appeared and grew. It grew until it reached the far western shore of the Sea of Cortez, eventually to become the wide, flat, wholly natural dam that exists today blocking off the northern reaches of that ancient sea from the open water to the south.
From the Northern Arizona University Department of Geography, Planning & Recreation:
The delta's current bone-dry state represents a stunning transformation of the green landscape travelers and native Indian tribes knew as recently as a half-century ago.

This fan-shaped plain the size of Rhode Island, built over eons from the river's silt, then supported a stunningly diverse array of plants and animals. At the river's mouth on the Gulf of California, the daily churning of the tides blended fresh and salty water and created an important spawning ground for sea creatures ranging from the tiny brown shrimp to the giant totoaba fish prized by anglers.

So now you know. Can we count on you to drop that particular talking point?
64 posted on 03/11/2009 11:22:33 AM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: Nathan Zachary
No I just build hydro dams.

Wow. You build dams and you still asked that question about the Colorado River Delta? Just wow.

65 posted on 03/11/2009 11:23:57 AM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical

Not a chance. There is plenty of explanations for that (former) marshland, like the two huge lakes that used to cover the region.


66 posted on 03/11/2009 11:29:24 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical

Besides, that explanation you posted doesn’t even come close to accounting for the billions and trillions of tons of earth that supposedly “erroded” over millions of years. what’s there is more consistant with the remants of a lake.


67 posted on 03/11/2009 11:31:41 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
"Wow. You build dams and you still asked that question about the Colorado River Delta? Just wow."

Well of course. In my business, you don't look at the visually obvious and make declarations.

As I said, that pretty sounding description full of assumptions you posted doesn't hold up to fact. The 'silt layer' is no were near thick enough to account for the amount of earth "erroded" out of the grand canyon. it's more consistent with the silt accumulated by a lake that once existed in the area.

68 posted on 03/11/2009 11:38:40 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Is it not true that Darwin himself regretted his own beliefs on his death bed?

You are correct. It is not true. Just a falsehood spread by and for Evangelicals who prefer the myth to reality

69 posted on 03/11/2009 11:40:52 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy ( As for a future life, every man must judge for himself between conflicting vague probabilities. - D)
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To: tacticalogic
"What's your basis for claims of "entire continents ripping apart and sliding a few thousand miles in a matter of hours."?

A Catastrophic event.

It Also explains the formation of the mid-Atlantic rift which is exposed basalt layer. The rocky mountains on the west coast are also part of that event. So is the grand canyon.

70 posted on 03/11/2009 11:45:24 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: sickoflibs
Back in the 1700s is was possible to group all known history life into groups (Kinds) and fit them on the Ark

Actually a century earlier, Walter Raleigh raised questions about the difficiluty of accommodating the recently discovered New World animals

71 posted on 03/11/2009 11:48:00 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy ( As for a future life, every man must judge for himself between conflicting vague probabilities. - D)
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To: Oztrich Boy

And you have absolute proof of that? Or are you just repeating gossip from some EVO web page?


72 posted on 03/11/2009 11:48:46 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Oztrich Boy
"Walter Raleigh raised questions about the difficiluty of accommodating the recently discovered New World animals"

Raising questions is a far cry from proving anything. But if you examine his questions, you'd see he was trying to load up the ark with unnecessary animals. Such as, why would Noah need to put a duck on board?

73 posted on 03/11/2009 11:52:23 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary
As I said, that pretty sounding description full of assumptions you posted doesn't hold up to fact.

I.e., everybody's wrong but you, huh? Why is there no historical record of a lake there? Why were steamships able to carry passengers from the Gulf of California to Yuma, Arizona if it was a lake and not a river delta? Why did people describe canoe trips through a "bewildering maze of green"?

74 posted on 03/11/2009 11:57:02 AM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: Nathan Zachary
And you have absolute proof of that?

1. The onus of proof is on those naking the claim that Darwin recanted

2. It is denied by his daiughter

3. The fact that Mrs Denny only began to tell the tale some 33 years after it supposedly occured casts doubt on its veracity.

4. As does the circumstances that she did so in a foreign country to a naive audience.

5. see 1.

75 posted on 03/11/2009 12:01:23 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy ( As for a future life, every man must judge for himself between conflicting vague probabilities. - D)
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To: Nathan Zachary
A Catastrophic event.

Of course it would have been a catastrophic event. On what basis do you submit that such a thing ever happened?

You're talking about entire continents accelerated for zero to hundreds of miles per hour, and exposing thousands of square miles of the Earth's mantle to the oceans where the plates are separating, and grinding thousands of square miles of them together at the other side, all in "a matter of hours".

What evidence you you submit that such an even has ever occurred?

76 posted on 03/11/2009 12:01:33 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Nathan Zachary
I see. So I'm dumb, too.

Is there anything else I should know?

77 posted on 03/11/2009 12:06:22 PM PDT by Lazamataz ("We beat the Soviet Union, then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: CottShop
[[Do I got it right now? ]]

No you don’t

Damn, I STILL don't have it right. Okay, so this person-like God created the whole Earth and all the life in it in 6 days, and the Earth is exactly HOW old, now? There was only Adam and Eve, and absolutly no other human beings on the planet, right?

78 posted on 03/11/2009 12:09:52 PM PDT by Lazamataz ("We beat the Soviet Union, then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: hurly
Not news. Belongs in religion

Glad to see that you recognize that evolution is the religious belief that it is. The creation account of the atheist.

79 posted on 03/11/2009 1:14:19 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Rummenigge
It’s called a theory and this one is backed by reproducable experimental facts.

Which ones show one species evolving into another completely different species; not just one that's a slightly different variation?

80 posted on 03/11/2009 1:17:01 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Rummenigge; Nathan Zachary
Anyhow - if you have to ask you probably will not be able to understand.

What a cop out. Do you think that we can't see that as avoiding answering a question that you can't answer?

81 posted on 03/11/2009 1:19:01 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Nathan Zachary

“Chicken bones from some China mans last diner?”

A racist creationist mis-speller! I’m sure they were on the ark, too.


82 posted on 03/11/2009 1:40:04 PM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: demshateGod
Sad that countless millions have been led to Hell by his subsequent rejection of God. We forget how Satan really knows what he’s doing. This attest the importance of a local church in earnestly contending with error as soon as it occurs, before it takes on a life of it’s own and millions are damned.

Just to be clear, if a person accepts the theory of evolution as the best current explanation for biological development and diversification, they're going to burn in hell for eternity. Right?

83 posted on 03/11/2009 2:15:04 PM PDT by atlaw
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To: atlaw

If a person dies in their sin, without accepting the sacrifice Christ made for their sin as the only way to pay for their sin, they spend eternity in their sin. Darwin gave folks who loved their sin ammunition to fight Holy Spirit conviction and cover to continue in their fallen state.


84 posted on 03/11/2009 2:42:23 PM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Nathan Zachary

What I find amazing is everywhere I go, every national park, they tell me there was once a great inland sea that covered the region, from Rocky Mountain National Park to Death Valley, but then they tell me there was no global flood.


85 posted on 03/11/2009 2:58:57 PM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: demshateGod
If a person dies in their sin, without accepting the sacrifice Christ made for their sin as the only way to pay for their sin, they spend eternity in their sin. Darwin gave folks who loved their sin ammunition to fight Holy Spirit conviction and cover to continue in their fallen state.

Accepting the sacrifice Christ made and accepting the theory of evolution do not appear to be mutually exclusive.

86 posted on 03/11/2009 3:00:42 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: demshateGod
What I find amazing is everywhere I go, every national park, they tell me there was once a great inland sea that covered the region, from Rocky Mountain National Park to Death Valley, but then they tell me there was no global flood.

Did they tell you that all of those places were all under water at the same time?

87 posted on 03/11/2009 3:01:23 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

....they just told me it was imaginary 100 million years or something.


88 posted on 03/11/2009 3:03:19 PM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: tacticalogic

Actually they are. If we evolved from so slime, we’re not accountable for our sin and death is a wonderful thing because it perfects our species. JimRob did a great job logically debunking the fallacy that evo and Christianity are compatible.


89 posted on 03/11/2009 3:05:11 PM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: demshateGod

Ok. But that wasn’t the question. The question was, if a person accepts the theory of evolution as the best current explanation for biological development and diversification, are they going to burn in hell for eternity?


90 posted on 03/11/2009 3:12:26 PM PDT by atlaw
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To: demshateGod
Actually they are. If we evolved from so slime, we’re not accountable for our sin and death is a wonderful thing because it perfects our species. JimRob did a great job logically debunking the fallacy that evo and Christianity are compatible.

Then you're telling people that if evolution happened, there is no God.

91 posted on 03/11/2009 3:35:36 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: demshateGod
....they just told me it was imaginary 100 million years or something.

Did they really tell you it was "imaginary", or you jut just lie to me about what they told you?

92 posted on 03/11/2009 3:37:45 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

No, you just don’t understand English. They told me a number the number was imaginary. Actually I probably read the number on a plaque, which is still true.


93 posted on 03/11/2009 4:22:45 PM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: tacticalogic

If evolution happened, the God of the Bible is not real.


94 posted on 03/11/2009 4:24:04 PM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: atlaw

The question assumes too much.


95 posted on 03/11/2009 4:26:03 PM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: demshateGod
No, you just don’t understand English. They told me a number the number was imaginary. Actually I probably read the number on a plaque, which is still true.

I understand English, and I understand sophistry.

96 posted on 03/11/2009 4:31:26 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: demshateGod
If evolution happened, the God of the Bible is not real.

Is there any other God?

97 posted on 03/11/2009 4:32:37 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Is it not true that Darwin himself regretted his own beliefs on his death bed? That he denounced his life work for the damage it had done while he lay dying.

No, it's not true.

98 posted on 03/11/2009 4:36:56 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: GodGunsGuts

“Wrong, Charles. Natural selection is the culling of the ‘unfit’ individuals of a population. This can uncover previously unseen combinations of genes that have always been there since Creation and remain unchanged. However, it can act only on existing genetic information, and cannot produce anything new. It has nothing to do with design.”

Darwin did not know anything about genetics but we later discovered that new genes can come from mutation, genetic drift.


99 posted on 03/11/2009 5:16:15 PM PDT by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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To: Nathan Zachary

The species concept has changed considerably over the centuries. We now classify species according to phylogeny (genetic relationships) and not so much the morphology. It is a verifiable fact that genes are involved directly in protein synthesis.

If it is possible to argue that the God of Genesis could have worked at the genetic level rather than only the phenotype level, there may be a way to reconcile evolution and Genesis. Still seems like a pretty hopeless match up.


100 posted on 03/11/2009 5:35:28 PM PDT by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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