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Army Called in Aid of Alabama Police?
Yahoo ^ | 3/11/09 | Yahoo

Posted on 03/11/2009 9:46:49 AM PDT by fightinbluhen51

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: alabama; army; leo; lping; possecomitatus
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1 posted on 03/11/2009 9:46:50 AM PDT by fightinbluhen51
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To: fightinbluhen51

Very bad sign.


2 posted on 03/11/2009 9:48:41 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: fightinbluhen51

Where did you get that headline? I don’t see any indication that the Army called on the Alabama police for help.


3 posted on 03/11/2009 9:49:38 AM PDT by BykrBayb (May God have mercy on our souls. ~ Þ)
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To: fightinbluhen51

bump for details


4 posted on 03/11/2009 9:49:40 AM PDT by IrishPennant (Obama: Succeeding Where Bin Laden Failed)
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To: fightinbluhen51

Well.....
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2204230/posts


5 posted on 03/11/2009 9:49:40 AM PDT by elpinta (Speachless!!!)
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To: fightinbluhen51

MP’s on the street after a night of shootings, at least I know they would be able to hit their target


6 posted on 03/11/2009 9:50:09 AM PDT by boxerblues (Party like its 1773)
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To: fightinbluhen51

0bama don’t need no steenkin Constitution?


7 posted on 03/11/2009 9:50:38 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (American Revolution II -- overdue.)
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To: BykrBayb

In the town where the shooting occured, from Ft. Rucker.

8 posted on 03/11/2009 9:51:05 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: fightinbluhen51
Prevents revenge attacks and picks up slack for the local police force being in the hospital.

9 posted on 03/11/2009 9:51:16 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: fightinbluhen51
Is the Posse Comitatus Act totally without meaning today? No, it remains a deterrent to prevent the unauthorized deployment of troops at the local level in response to what is purely a civilian law enforcement matter. Although no person has ever been successfully prosecuted under the act, it is available in criminal or administrative proceedings to punish a lower-level commander who uses military forces to pursue a common felon or to conduct sobriety checkpoints off of a federal military post. Officers have had their careers abruptly brought to a close by misusing federal military assets to support a purely civilian criminal matter.

But does the act present a major barrier at the National Command Authority level to use of military forces in the battle against terrorism? The numerous exceptions and policy shifts carried out over the past 20 years strongly indicate that it does not. Could anyone seriously suggest that it is appropriate to use the military to interdict drugs and illegal aliens but preclude the military from countering terrorist threats that employ weapons of mass destruction? For two decades the military has been increasingly used as an auxiliary to civilian law enforcement when the capabilities of the police have been exceeded. Under both the statutory and constitutional exceptions that have permitted the use of the military in law enforcement since 1980, the president has ample authority to employ the military in homeland defense against the threat of weapons of mass destruction in terrorist hands.

from here

10 posted on 03/11/2009 9:51:32 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: fightinbluhen51

Coming soon to a street near you!


11 posted on 03/11/2009 9:51:51 AM PDT by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: Just another Joe

Wasn’t Posse Comitatus waived back in 1993? 16 years this coming April?


12 posted on 03/11/2009 9:53:20 AM PDT by Sybeck1 (All Hail Our Dear Leader..........)
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To: fightinbluhen51

Do you think they would fire on their own people? Especially with a military hating President?


13 posted on 03/11/2009 9:53:42 AM PDT by BigFinn (Isa 32:8 But the liberal deviseth liberal things; and by liberal things shall he stand.)
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To: Just another Joe

Could easily be ‘Bama Guard! (and therefore entirely legal)

Idiot photog would not know.


14 posted on 03/11/2009 9:54:00 AM PDT by MindBender26 (The Hellfire Missile is one of the wonderful ways God shows us he loves American Soldiers & Marines)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Hard to really tell from the pic but looks like they might be carrying sidearms only, and wearing traffic safety vests.

Still not supposed to be there, but at least they aren’t loaded for war.

Was there more, or just these four?


15 posted on 03/11/2009 9:54:25 AM PDT by Domandred (Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

I know.

Did you misunderstand my post?


16 posted on 03/11/2009 9:55:02 AM PDT by BykrBayb (May God have mercy on our souls. ~ Þ)
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To: Domandred

Link only had the one pic. No idea, but still don’t like it.


17 posted on 03/11/2009 9:55:25 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Sybeck1

It was waived for certain functions in support of the war on drugs not for routine police work. This article is bogus.


18 posted on 03/11/2009 9:55:28 AM PDT by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: fightinbluhen51

Sounds like bullshit to me!


19 posted on 03/11/2009 9:55:32 AM PDT by verity ("Lord, what fools we mortals be!")
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To: Domandred

Everyone knows what I know.

My question is, why wasn’t an all available units and other jurisdictions called in first? Response time?

Hell, get on the phone and wake up the day shift!


20 posted on 03/11/2009 9:55:37 AM PDT by fightinbluhen51 ("MOLON LABE")
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To: fightinbluhen51

Who ordered them there?


21 posted on 03/11/2009 9:55:56 AM PDT by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: MindBender26
Could easily be ‘Bama Guard! (and therefore entirely legal)

I would think that it would be hard to get the guard there fully equiped like that on such short notice.

22 posted on 03/11/2009 9:56:07 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Domandred

Isn’t the National Guard allowed to come in and assist where needed, or does that need to come from the Governor


23 posted on 03/11/2009 9:56:54 AM PDT by shadeaud ("If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten." -- George Carlin)
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To: BykrBayb
Did you misunderstand my post?

Could be, I usually sacrifice comprehension and intelligence for posting a pic or trying for a cheap laugh. ;-D

24 posted on 03/11/2009 9:57:48 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: BykrBayb

Below are the links to the Google Search on this story:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=U.S.+Army+soldiers+from+Ft.+Rucker+patrol+the+downtown+area+of+Samson%2C+Alabama+after+a+shooting+spree+March+10%2C+2009.&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=


25 posted on 03/11/2009 9:58:31 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Does Zer0 have any friends, who are not criminals, foriegn/domestic terrorists, or tax evaders?)
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To: fightinbluhen51

National Guard or Arny.


26 posted on 03/11/2009 9:58:43 AM PDT by PurpleMan
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To: shadeaud

That was my understanding. And I didn’t think NG stayed on post read to roll 100% of the time. They’d have to be woken up just like day shift.


27 posted on 03/11/2009 9:59:08 AM PDT by fightinbluhen51 ("MOLON LABE")
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To: Tijeras_Slim

LOL

Well, the headline says that the Army called for help from the Alabama police. It appears to be the other way around.


28 posted on 03/11/2009 9:59:33 AM PDT by BykrBayb (May God have mercy on our souls. ~ Þ)
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To: Just another Joe
P.S. During 1968 riots at DNC in Chicago and Detroit after murder of Dr. King, active duty troops from Ft. Sill (and elsewhere) were deployed.

In Detroit, we always had a local cop with every squad or platoon to “give guidance and permission.”

In Chicago, the local cops were doing a good enough job of headbeating on the unwashed punks, we BNCO and staff all changed into civies and went to Playboy Club and a place out near airport called SOPs!

SOPs was across street from United Airlines Stewardess Training School..... It was like walking into a woman's prison with a handful of pardons....

29 posted on 03/11/2009 10:01:39 AM PDT by MindBender26 (The Hellfire Missile is one of the wonderful ways God shows us he loves American Soldiers & Marines)
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To: Just another Joe

“Could anyone seriously suggest that it is appropriate to use the military to interdict drugs and illegal aliens but preclude the military from countering terrorist threats that employ weapons of mass destruction?”

I’ll tell you what I can seriously suggest. I can seriously suggest that it is entirely appropriate for U.S. citizens to expect no threat to their liberty by U.S. military commanders.


30 posted on 03/11/2009 10:02:20 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (Liberals have neither the creativity nor the confidence to understand the truth of conservatism)
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To: BykrBayb

Sorry, guess I should have typed “Army called in to aid...”

More info on the story.

http://www.infowars.com/us-army-puts-soldiers-on-the-street-in-alabama-in-response-to-shootings/

U.S. Army Puts Soldiers on the Street in Alabama in Response to Shootings

Posted By admin On March 11, 2009 @ 10:02 am In Featured Stories | 68 Comments

Kurt Nimmo
Infowars
March 11, 2009

The U.S. Army dispatched soldiers to patrol the streets of Samson, Alabama, a small southern town where a rampaging gunman killed 10 people on Tuesday. This obvious violation of the Posse Comitatus Act prohibiting the federal uniformed services from exercising state and local law enforcement was completely ignored by the corporate media with the exception of Reuters and the London Telegraph (see photo and video).

From Reuters: “U.S. Army soldiers from Ft. Rucker patrol the downtown area of Samson, Alabama after a shooting spree March 10, 2009.”

On September 30, 2008, the Army Times reported the 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team, a component of Northern Command, would be “on-call” in response to “natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks.” The Army Times article reported the military would be used for “crowd and traffic control” and be issued “nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals without killing them.” According to the article, “expectations are that another, as yet unnamed, active-duty brigade will take over and that the mission will be a permanent one..” (Emphasis added.)

In early 2006, the 109th Congress passed a bill containing controversial provisions granting the president the ability to use federal troops inside the United States in emergency situations. These changes (in Section 1076) were included in the John Warner Defense Appropriation Act for Fiscal Year 2007.

In 2008, Congress restored many of the earlier limitations on the president’s ability to deploy troops within the United States, but Bush issued a signing statement indicating he was not bound by the changes.

“The story of how Section 1076 became law vivifies how expanding government power is almost always the correct answer in Washington,” James Bovard wrote for the American Conservative on April 23, 2007. “Some people have claimed the provision was slipped into the bill in the middle of the night. In reality, the administration clearly signaled its intent and almost no one in the media or Congress tried to stop it.”

The dispatch of troops to Alabama in response to a local law enforcement situation represents a further erosion of Posse Comitatus and the continued federalization of state and local law enforcement.

A Telegraph video on the shootings in Alabama propagandizes against the right to own
firearms in the United States and the Second Amendment.

Finally, the corporate media in Britain has exploited the situation in an effort to denigrate the Second Amendment and the Bill of Rights. In a transparent propaganda piece (see video above), the Telegraph states that “mass shootings have become a feature of life in the U.S. in recent years. Guns are widely available for purchase in a country that prides itself on the right to own weapons for self defense and hunting.” Britain has some of the most restrictive gun legislation in the world.

After Britain’s government banned guns in 1997, the rate of violent crime more than doubled. “A recent study of all the countries of western Europe has found that in 2001 Britain had the worst record for killings, violence and burglary, and its citizens had one of the highest risks in the industrialized world of becoming victims of crime,” historian Joyce Lee Malcolm wrote for the fall 2004 issue of Journal on Firearms & Public Policy.


31 posted on 03/11/2009 10:03:44 AM PDT by fightinbluhen51 ("MOLON LABE")
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To: Just another Joe

Most good Guard units have everything but weapons at home. One quick trip to the arms room and move out!


32 posted on 03/11/2009 10:03:50 AM PDT by MindBender26 (The Hellfire Missile is one of the wonderful ways God shows us he loves American Soldiers & Marines)
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To: shadeaud

National Guard are under the Governor of the State. Other State’s National Guards have to have permission directly from the Governor in order to operate in the State.

That’s my understanding at least.


33 posted on 03/11/2009 10:04:55 AM PDT by Domandred (Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.)
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To: fightinbluhen51

Whoa these were regular Army? I take everything back. These guys have ZERO business patrolling our streets.


34 posted on 03/11/2009 10:07:03 AM PDT by Domandred (Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.)
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To: fightinbluhen51

Let's not all jump through our butts here.

This is one photographer who probably wouldn't know a Guard unit from a Garand writing a caption for a picture... or perhaps it was even written by some editor 1000 miles away... and she probably hates both the Guard and Garands!


35 posted on 03/11/2009 10:08:31 AM PDT by MindBender26 (The Hellfire Missile is one of the wonderful ways God shows us he loves American Soldiers & Marines)
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To: fightinbluhen51

Thanks for being so thorough in your coverage on this. I’m still just sitting here shaking my head, with my jaw hanging down.

You know, I’m really sick of seeing things that I once knew could never happen. Enough already!


36 posted on 03/11/2009 10:11:15 AM PDT by BykrBayb (May God have mercy on our souls. ~ Þ)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

Why do you relate this story to Obama? I believe that Bush used the military for the boarder...what is the big deal? I must not understand.


37 posted on 03/11/2009 10:11:59 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: fightinbluhen51

Truly unbelievable...on our way to communism...


38 posted on 03/11/2009 10:12:32 AM PDT by surfer
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To: fightinbluhen51

Further LNAJTOB!

This all comes from some author at "Infowars" named Kurt Nimmo. He seems to be a bit of a nut job.


39 posted on 03/11/2009 10:13:35 AM PDT by MindBender26 (The Hellfire Missile is one of the wonderful ways God shows us he loves American Soldiers & Marines)
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To: fightinbluhen51

There is NO substantiation that this was active duty Army. Lets all take a deep breath here.


40 posted on 03/11/2009 10:15:07 AM PDT by MindBender26 (The Hellfire Missile is one of the wonderful ways God shows us he loves American Soldiers & Marines)
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To: Domandred

>>Hard to really tell from the pic but looks like they might be carrying sidearms only, and wearing traffic safety vests.

Still not supposed to be there, but at least they aren’t loaded for war.

Was there more, or just these four?<<

Also couldn’t they be Alabama National Guard?


41 posted on 03/11/2009 10:16:08 AM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: BykrBayb
“LOL

Well, the headline says that the Army called for help from the Alabama police. It appears to be the other way around.”

Yeah, it didn't make sense to me either. Everyone knows when the Army gets in trouble they have to call in the Marines to bail them out. ;-)

42 posted on 03/11/2009 10:19:26 AM PDT by 444Flyer (Don't beLIEve Obama.............................Never give up, never give in, never give out!)
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To: fightinbluhen51

Probably moved under the command of the Georgia National Guard until they could get there.


43 posted on 03/11/2009 10:22:09 AM PDT by Thunder90
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To: napscoordinator

Check this out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

Using the army for domestic law enforcement is a no-no!


44 posted on 03/11/2009 10:23:28 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (American Revolution II -- overdue.)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

Thank you. I seriously did not know that and I am in the military...(embarassed). But now that I do I thank you.


45 posted on 03/11/2009 10:27:18 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: BykrBayb
Well, the headline says that the Army called for help from the Alabama police. It appears to be the other way around.

No, it says "Army Called in Aid of Alabama Police"

I took that to mean they were called to HELP the Alabama police.

46 posted on 03/11/2009 10:33:15 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: fightinbluhen51

If things are THAT bad then they should deputize some of the locals. Military use is not right and not necessary.


47 posted on 03/11/2009 10:35:28 AM PDT by mkcc30 ("Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute.")
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
I'm watching this one play out. If this goes unchecked we are in for a he_ _ of a lot of trouble in this nation. We should NEVER passively accept armed soldiers in our streets for a domestic tragedy such as this. Was someone looking for the opportunity to pull this card out of the deck?
48 posted on 03/11/2009 10:36:55 AM PDT by 444Flyer (Don't beLIEve Obama.............................Never give up, never give in, never give out!)
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To: fightinbluhen51

“Guns are widely available for purchase in a country that prides itself on the right to own weapons for self defense and hunting.”

Yeah and if any of the victims had of been armed they would have killed the piece of trash! You think the criminal would NOT have had a firearm under restrictions? I swear the level of stupidity has hit an all time high worldwide!


49 posted on 03/11/2009 10:41:20 AM PDT by mkcc30 ("Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute.")
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To: Sybeck1
Public Law 109-364, or the "John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007" (H.R.5122) (2), which was signed by President Bush on October 17th, 2006

It allows the President to declare a "public emergency" and station troops anywhere in America and take control of state-based National Guard units without the consent of the governor or local authorities, in order to "suppress public disorder." It basically revised the Insurrection Act, a set of laws that limits the President's ability to deploy troops within the United States.
50 posted on 03/11/2009 10:44:08 AM PDT by Lucky9teen (What this country needs are more unemployed politicians. And SOON!!!)
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