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Obama: Troop move to Mexican border under consideration
McClatchy Newspapers ^ | 3-12-2009 | Maria Recio

Posted on 03/12/2009 7:22:54 AM PDT by Danae

WASHINGTON — President Obama weighed in Wednesday on the escalating drug war on the U.S.-Mexico border, saying that he was looking at possibly deploying National Guard troops to contain the violence but ruled out any immediate military move.

"We're going to examine whether and if National Guard deployments would make sense and under what circumstances they would make sense," Obama said during an interview with journalists for regional papers, including a McClatchy reporter.

"I don't have a particular tipping point in mind," he said. "I think it's unacceptable if you've got drug gangs crossing our borders and killing U.S. citizens."

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Government; Mexico
KEYWORDS: aliens; bho44; bhodod; border; cultureofcorruption; drugcartel; drugcrime; drugwarconsequences; illegalimmigration; mexicaninvasion; mexico; nationalguard; pot; thankprohibition; wod
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1 posted on 03/12/2009 7:22:54 AM PDT by Danae
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To: Danae

Gotta build that CIC street cred somehowse.....


2 posted on 03/12/2009 7:25:30 AM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Fight Crime. Shoot Back.)
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To: Danae
"I think it's unacceptable if you've got drug gangs crossing our borders and killing U.S. citizens."

He THINKS it is acceptable? Why doesn't he just say it IS acceptable?

What Would Bush Do?

3 posted on 03/12/2009 7:25:56 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault
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To: Danae

“Last week Mexico sent an additional 3,200 soldiers to the border,” Sanchez said in a prepared opening statement for the hearing, “increasing the total number of Mexican soldiers combating drug cartels to more than 45,000.””

45K is not enough to deal with the Cartels. This is really a very disturbing situation.


4 posted on 03/12/2009 7:25:59 AM PDT by Danae (Amerikan Unity My Ass)
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To: Danae

He needs to see if its a popular decision based on polls before he commits. Plus, he needs to take the focus off of the economy.


5 posted on 03/12/2009 7:27:09 AM PDT by Blue Turtle
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To: Right Wing Assault

I don’t know, all I know is what President Bush did not do as far as Mexico and the border goes. Which is to say, nothing. I love President Bush, but that is one area he did not do well in.


6 posted on 03/12/2009 7:27:44 AM PDT by Danae (Amerikan Unity My Ass)
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To: Danae
” I might....ah...we.....ah....hey...ah....could be....ah...
ah..unacceptable......well maybe.....ah....I got a bracelet too”

moron

7 posted on 03/12/2009 7:29:08 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Blue Turtle

The Administration is working so had to distract from the Economy its attacking Rush Limbaugh, which is of course having the opposite effect and making the White House look like its filled with a bunch of schoolyard punks. Oh wait, right, it IS full of punks.


8 posted on 03/12/2009 7:29:29 AM PDT by Danae (Amerikan Unity My Ass)
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To: Danae

pleasse. how many are aiding and abeting the cartels?


9 posted on 03/12/2009 7:29:31 AM PDT by wiggen
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To: Right Wing Assault
"I think it's unacceptable if you've got drug gangs crossing our borders and killing U.S. citizens."

Sadly FRiend, we have already seen what Bush would do. He ignored it enough that Phoenix, AZ has become the #2 kidnapping capital of the WORLD...

And as much as we know Bush was better than Obama in every aspect, Bush still dropped the ball on this to the point where we are literally under invasion.

Even worse, Obama will likely send these troops in as relief...to AID the enemy as they cross our border, may even passing out food, water and maps of local sanctuary cities.

"Welcome to America! Here is your democrat registration and directions to the polls..."

10 posted on 03/12/2009 7:30:13 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Danae

So its ok that millions of illegals cross the border and take jobs from Americans. But he will put his foot down at drug gangs crossing the border... Guess you have got to have standards. I guess he doesn’t want the Mexican drug gangs competing with his boys in Chicago...


11 posted on 03/12/2009 7:30:26 AM PDT by TheBattman (Pray for our country....)
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To: Danae

The plan to use Rush to deflect attention away from the economy and the incompetence of the Bush Administration isn’t working so no on to Plan B.


12 posted on 03/12/2009 7:32:04 AM PDT by KansasGirl
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To: Danae

The problem is that at least a third of those Mexican troops are working for various cartels.

Sending a lot of our troops near a volatile border with so many sketchy gun holders on the other side is tossing matches at the truck of fireworks.

Will a match hit a fuse? Probably not, but if it does, we are in a shooting war with Mexico.

This is the one area that I really disagreed with Bush on. If he had taken steps to secure the border 5 years ago, it wouldn’t be as dangerous to send troops today.


13 posted on 03/12/2009 7:32:20 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
"I think it's unacceptable if you've got drug gangs crossing our borders and killing U.S. citizens."

Way to take a stand, there, B. Hussein. Positively inspiring.

14 posted on 03/12/2009 7:32:33 AM PDT by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: Danae

Scrappleface could have fun with this one, in which Obama calls up GWB to make up for his “AWOL years” with the TANG.


15 posted on 03/12/2009 7:33:31 AM PDT by Zeppelin
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To: Right Wing Assault

16 posted on 03/12/2009 7:35:18 AM PDT by unique
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To: Danae

on whose side will they be ordered to take?

any word on that?


17 posted on 03/12/2009 7:35:43 AM PDT by GeronL (Will bankrupting America lead to socialism?)
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To: Danae

Not a good idea. He does not have the constitutional authority to use the military within the domestic borders. This is reserved for the states and states alone. Very troubling....


18 posted on 03/12/2009 7:36:22 AM PDT by Born In America ("O.B.A.M.A.: One Big A** Mistake, America....")
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

0bama is saying this only because he thinks the public wants to hear it said.

It has nothing to do with whether he actually believes it or intends to implement it.


19 posted on 03/12/2009 7:36:48 AM PDT by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: Danae

the soldiers will be told not to stop illegal immigrants and drug couriers, we’re just going to stop the violence from crossing.

keep an eye out for violence!


20 posted on 03/12/2009 7:37:15 AM PDT by GeronL (Will bankrupting America lead to socialism?)
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To: unique

HOPE you like your CHANGE


21 posted on 03/12/2009 7:37:22 AM PDT by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: Right Wing Assault
What Would Bush Do?

Nothing, this problem didn't begin in January.

22 posted on 03/12/2009 7:37:47 AM PDT by SJackson (a tax cut is non-targeted…no guarantee…they’re free to invest anywhere that they want, J Kerry)
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To: Danae

What could President Bush have done when Congress was run by Democrats for his last two years? Whatever he would have proposed, they would have yanked the funding on knowing they could do so with Hispanics support - cause Bush would be accused of making war on — MEHICO —.


23 posted on 03/12/2009 7:38:37 AM PDT by HD1200
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To: TheBattman
So its ok that millions of illegals cross the border and take jobs from Americans. But he will put his foot down at drug gangs crossing the border... Guess you have got to have standards.

It's going to present The One with a tactical problem. A militarized wall can keep the bad guys out, Israel has one as we all know, but so does Egypt and Saudi Arabia, among others. The problem, how do you let the illegals in?

24 posted on 03/12/2009 7:40:28 AM PDT by SJackson (a tax cut is non-targeted…no guarantee…they’re free to invest anywhere that they want, J Kerry)
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To: MrB

Exactly.

Talk is cheap, Zero.


25 posted on 03/12/2009 7:41:12 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Let the 2nd American Revolution begin!)
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To: Danae
Obama: Troop move to Mexican border under consideration

IF he does it, it'd be the first damn thing he's done that I favor, and it's likely more than W did. I just wonder if he'd prosecute the troops if they return fire on the drug dealers.

26 posted on 03/12/2009 7:43:59 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll)
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To: Danae

Can they fire on the Mexican military troops that are escorting drug smugglers across the border?

Our own border patrol has been instructed to stand down when they encounter the foreign troops on US soil.


27 posted on 03/12/2009 7:44:49 AM PDT by a fool in paradise ("I certainly hope he (Bush) doesn’t succeed" - Democratic strategist James Carville 9-11-2001)
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To: Danae; Allegra; big'ol_freeper; Lil'freeper; TrueKnightGalahad; blackie; Larry Lucido; Diplomat; ...
Gadzooks! Will the troops be ordered to protect the border... or to keep US Citizens from stopping the incoming flow of new Democrat voters?
28 posted on 03/12/2009 7:45:31 AM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: TheBattman

Troops to escort thousands of “refugees” to sanctuary in US in humanitarian mission.


29 posted on 03/12/2009 7:48:10 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought (CPA, MBA needs a job - referrals welcome)
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To: Born In America
He does not have the constitutional authority to use the military within the domestic borders

If this is declared an invasion I believe he could, but I'm not 100% sure

30 posted on 03/12/2009 7:49:30 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (FUBO, he says we should listen to our enemies, but not to Rush - and zer0 has already failed)
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To: Blue Turtle

Gee, where did I see those tactics before??? from ‘98 to 2000?


31 posted on 03/12/2009 7:54:16 AM PDT by SueRae
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To: Danae

I agree, I have great respect & admiration for Bush, but the border is one of his biggest screw-ups. The National Guard should have been there in 2006; instead it’s escalated into war.


32 posted on 03/12/2009 7:56:21 AM PDT by mta504nola (GeauxLSU)
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To: Bender2
"Gadzooks! Will the troops be ordered to protect the border... or to keep US Citizens from stopping the incoming flow of new Democrat voters?"

Good point. Will he say he is protecting the US while making sure that its citizens can't protect America?

33 posted on 03/12/2009 7:57:53 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: Danae
I welcome border security, but know his real agenda is to mobilize troops within the United States.
34 posted on 03/12/2009 7:58:17 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag Fire.)
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To: Danae

I spent too many years under Clinton. What will be their mission? It would be just like a Dem to park them at the border, take away all of their weapons and not allow them to leave camp or interact with suspected illegal crossings.


35 posted on 03/12/2009 7:59:48 AM PDT by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: Born In America

I believe you’re referring to Posse Comitatus?

Because if so, that’s a federal act...but it’s not in the Constitution.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

This act explicitly prohibits the military or any other such unit (like the National Guard) under federal control from acting in a law enforcement capacity within the United States.

Now the question becomes: is halting the drug cartels streaming past our open border a matter of law enforcement, or is it more of a military matter?


36 posted on 03/12/2009 8:00:52 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (To view the FR@Alabama ping list, click on my profile!)
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To: Danae

What I heard on Geraldo’s border report in El Paso the other night had some very disturbing news. There is a high percentage of El Paso police and border patrol agents that have family members living in Ciudad Jaurez. There is no doubt that through intimidation and money that some of these officers are corrupt. Voluntary polygraph testing would help. Also randomly rotate the border patrol agents at the check points every hour. I’m sure phone calls are made to let the smugglers know which lanes are being manned by a corrupt official for safe passage. It wouln’t hurt to have some spanish speaking FBI agents acting as border patrol.


37 posted on 03/12/2009 8:01:48 AM PDT by doc
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To: Danae
I have a friend & her husband who are in Mexico this week scuba diving! They are stupid as far as I'm concerned! They go every year at this time. I think they could have skipped this year!
38 posted on 03/12/2009 8:03:19 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: Born In America

Just wait a little bit then Obummer will be Farting in the wind about the borders.


39 posted on 03/12/2009 8:03:54 AM PDT by jocko12
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To: jocko12

He’ll say whatever he thinks people want to hear,

but it will have no relation to his actions or beliefs.


40 posted on 03/12/2009 8:05:07 AM PDT by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
Posse Comitatus only applies to Army forces. The Naval forces are not and never were subject to it.
Specifically, the Marine Corps is not subject to Posse Comitatus
41 posted on 03/12/2009 8:06:25 AM PDT by Obamageddon (Birth certificate and college transcripts will be required for Federal employment, Mr. Soetero)
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To: Las Vegas Ron; Born In America
so at what point do the border states' Governors have the power to call their own guard units out to defend their state ???

political football, punt or get funding ???

42 posted on 03/12/2009 8:07:51 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 ("JesusChrist 08"...Trust in the Lord......=...LiveFReeOr Die...)
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To: HD1200
What could President Bush have done when Congress was run by Democrats for his last two years?

What could President Bush have done when Congress was held by Republicans for six years prior to the 2006 elections? /sarcasm
43 posted on 03/12/2009 8:09:25 AM PDT by dmartin (Not the 'Change' you were 'Hoping' for?)
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To: dangerdoc

Yeah, kinda like the NG in the airports after 911 with unloaded weapons


44 posted on 03/12/2009 8:09:38 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (FUBO, he says we should listen to our enemies, but not to Rush - and zer0 has already failed)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
This act explicitly prohibits the military or any other such unit (like the National Guard) under federal control from acting in a law enforcement capacity within the United States.

That is correct in terms of the United States Military as defined by the respective branches. However, the President can call forth the Militia(National Guard)and the President cannot organize, arm or discipline the Militia. All of those powers belong to Congress....

Article 1, Section 8

45 posted on 03/12/2009 8:10:28 AM PDT by Born In America ("O.B.A.M.A.: One Big A** Mistake, America....")
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To: Caipirabob
Even worse, Obama will likely send these troops in as relief...to AID the enemy as they cross our border, may even passing out food, water and maps of local sanctuary cities.

What I am worried about is that he might be trying to protect these people from armed citizens. Good excuse for a gun roundup.

"The military is here. No need for guns on private citizens. To dangerous."

46 posted on 03/12/2009 8:10:54 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Don’t worry, he is sending the troops down there to provide “humanitarian aide” to the illegals and help them carry their backs across the border and to clean up the thousands of tons of garbage the illegals leave behind.


47 posted on 03/12/2009 8:11:03 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Socialism is the belief that most people are better off if everyone was equally poor and miserable.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
a matter of law enforcement, or is it more of a military matter?

I believe it could be considered an invasion which would justify military action

48 posted on 03/12/2009 8:11:20 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (FUBO, he says we should listen to our enemies, but not to Rush - and zer0 has already failed)
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To: Gilbo_3
political football, punt or get funding ???

Good question. IMO that's one of our biggest problems we face, political considerations trump the good of the Country.

49 posted on 03/12/2009 8:14:14 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (FUBO, he says we should listen to our enemies, but not to Rush - and zer0 has already failed)
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To: Right Wing Assault
Frightening and more likely the plan than not...
50 posted on 03/12/2009 8:18:02 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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