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Eligibility--More than Just a Computer Image, Stupid!
His Master's Voice | 3/12/09 | HMV

Posted on 03/12/2009 7:47:44 AM PDT by Hillary'sMoralVoid

There are at least five ways that Barack Obama can be declared ineligible for the presidency. Here is a list:

1. Obama was not born in the United States. The Certification of Live Birth that he posts on his web site proves nothing. Only the original paper certificate can address this issue, Obama refuses to release it.

2. Dual Citizenship issue: Obama could have British and American citizenship due to his father being a British subject at the time of his birth.

3. Dual Citizenship issue: Obama could have dual citizenship with Indonesia if he was adopted. His school records from Inonesia indicate he was Indonesian. He also traveled to Pakistan, but under what passport?

4. Mother's age at birth. Hawaiian laws on the books at the time of his birth hold that U.S. citizenship may only pass to a child born overseas to a U.S. citizen parent and non-citizen parent if the former was at least 19. Stanley Ann Dunham was only 18 at the time of Obama's birth.

5. Failure to formally renounce dual citizenship described above and reestablish American citizenship at some point and show proof of same.

Obama supporters have unrealistically simplified this issue down to the COLB. There are possibly more issues out there still to be investigated, perhaps willful misconduct on the potential forging of the COLB, etc.

I think that those who are bringing this issue to the attention of the courts need to step back and address the big picture first and then fill in the details.

Are there other potentially disqualifying factors missing from this list?


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1 posted on 03/12/2009 7:47:45 AM PDT by Hillary'sMoralVoid
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid
Your right! Obama’s defense may purposely be focusing and directing the interest toward the birth certificate to deflect attention on the other areas which truly may be the disqualifying factors:
2 posted on 03/12/2009 7:54:01 AM PDT by classified
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid
Keep up the fight! I think the Supreme Court has decided that they won't touch this issue unless they are absolutely forced to do so.

In the meantime, the RNC should be working with every state to ensure that in the future, 0dumbo, and everyone else, must present certified evidence that they meet the qualifications for the Presidency, before being placed on the ballot for that state.

The Federal Government has decided to insert itself into countless areas where they do not belong, but it neglects areas such as border control and foreigners posing as President, where it is required to be involved.

3 posted on 03/12/2009 7:57:33 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (FUBO Kenyan Usurper - "Don't Tread On Me!!!")
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid
Hussein's drunken father was already married when he allegedly got Dunham pregnant so How does that work?
4 posted on 03/12/2009 8:01:05 AM PDT by Cheetahcat (Osamabama the Wright kind of Racist!)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

We must keep our arguments accurate, so as not to look silly. Item No 4 is not determined by Hawaiian law, but by federal statutes.


5 posted on 03/12/2009 8:06:16 AM PDT by punchamullah
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

That’s a good list and there may be other factors as well, one of which is the possibility that Comrade 0bama may have obtained government benefits (student aid, etc) under false pretenses or with an incorrect and/or assumed name, which would constitute a felony.

Of course the usual crowd of 0bama-enablers will soon be arriving to spew their usual sneers and drivel, calling you (and anyone agreeing with you) ‘birthers’ and all of that predictable garbage.

To them, the Constitution is nothing but toilet paper. To us, it is the most highly revered Document of our Republic, right after the Bible.


6 posted on 03/12/2009 8:06:50 AM PDT by mkjessup (You're either with our Constitution, or you are with TKU ("The Kenyan Usurper"). CHOOSE!!!)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

I’m in the #2 camp.
In civics class as a kid I was taught that BOTH parents had to be citizens, either born or naturalized-the actual birthplace didn’t matter. What mattered was the lineage.

Now with some speculating that Frank Marshall(sp.) could be his daddy, wouldn’t that be the last laugh for That One if it were true? Then, technically, he would be eligible!
...or not. Who knows at this point? What is interesting is that That One doth protest too much about doing a simple task (producing a VALID b/c) that all of us have had to do (with increasing frequency) in our day to day lives.


7 posted on 03/12/2009 8:07:10 AM PDT by ozark hilljilly (I don't even think I think!)
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To: ozark hilljilly

“The One’s” mother was in Cuba from about late Sept. or early Oct. 1960 until early Jan. 1961. Do the math! DNA would answer a lot of questions!


8 posted on 03/12/2009 8:21:48 AM PDT by WellyP (obama must go!)
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To: ozark hilljilly

Doesn’t matter who the baby daddy is (personally, I think it is Malcolm X. The resemblance between Obongo and Malcolm X is uncanny. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENHP89mLWOY&feature=related)
In the divorce decree of Stanly and Obongo Sr., he is listed as the father.


9 posted on 03/12/2009 8:22:24 AM PDT by patriot08
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

Indonesia does not recognize dual citizenship. He would have to renounce his US citizenship to get Indonesian citizenship.


10 posted on 03/12/2009 8:29:43 AM PDT by MtnClimber (Zer0-bama intelligence, smaller than a quark, more difficult to find than a Higgs boson)
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To: punchamullah

That point, almost verbatim, is being used by Phillip Berg, et al, in their federal filings.

Yet this raises the question...can states provide for more restrictive citizenship prerequisites than the federal government? Must not a citizen of the United States first become a state citizen, unless born overseas? Probably good questions!


11 posted on 03/12/2009 9:02:05 AM PDT by Hillary'sMoralVoid
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To: WellyP

“The One’s” mother was in Cuba from about late Sept. or early Oct. 1960 until early Jan. 1961. Do the math! DNA would answer a lot of questions!

I hadn't heard this. Is there evidence you can link to?

12 posted on 03/12/2009 9:10:46 AM PDT by sometime lurker
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To: WellyP
DNA would answer a lot of questions!

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13 posted on 03/12/2009 9:15:32 AM PDT by Canedawg (Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press.)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

Also he may have neglected to register for the U.S. draft when he was 18, and forged it later. See here

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/11/exclusive_did_n.html


14 posted on 03/12/2009 9:49:07 AM PDT by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: WellyP

I hadn’t heard about a Cuba angle. Can you point us to something to back that up please?

Thanks in advance.


15 posted on 03/12/2009 9:50:35 AM PDT by Two Kids' Dad (((( Two Kids' Dad ---- (T) - CA ** Join the "T" party ** ))))
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To: sometime lurker

http://boards.msn.com/MSNBCboards/thread.aspx?threadid=831699&boardsparam=Page%3D3

Here is another theory. According to an email I received yesterday from a friend in Cuba. Barack Obama’s mother was in Cuba as part of a team of American Socialists who went to help Cuba after the revolution. According to them she was pregnant when she left Cuba in December 1960, two months later she married Barack Obama Sr. in Hawaii.

http://www.babalublog.com/archives/010416.html

Is Obama Cuban? (Unverified, unattributed)
From my in box:


16 posted on 03/12/2009 9:52:25 AM PDT by WellyP (obama must go!)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid
1. Obama was not born in the United States. The Certification of Live Birth that he posts on his web site proves nothing. Only the original paper certificate can address this issue.

Not ture. The COLB posted on his website is just as good as any other document when it comes proving birth in the US. The State department accepts it, as does any court in the US.

2. Dual Citizenship issue: Obama could have British and American citizenship due to his father being a British subject at the time of his birth.

He did have dual citizenship at birth, which lapsed when he turned 18. He's admitted that. However, it is irrelevant. If you disagree, please find the passage in the Constitution that prohibits people who had dual citizenship as babies from being president.

3. Dual Citizenship issue: Obama could have dual citizenship with Indonesia if he was adopted.

Not true. First of all, there is no evidence he was adopted. Second, even if he was, both US and Indonesian law at the time made it impossible for him to have acquired dual citizenship by virtue of adoption.

His school records from Inonesia indicate he was Indonesian.

A single document from a private school lists his citizenship as Indoensian. Assuming the document is authentic (and there's a good possibility it is not), then it is in error for the reason stated above.

People do, you know, make mistakes when filling out documents.

He also traveled to Pakistan, but under what passport?

There is no reason to believe he traveled on any passport other than a US passport.

4. Mother's age at birth. Hawaiian laws on the books at the time of his birth hold that U.S. citizenship may only pass to a child born overseas to a U.S. citizen parent and non-citizen parent if the former was at least 19. Stanley Ann Dunham was only 18 at the time of Obama's birth.

True, but a moot point, since there is no evidence he was born anywhere other than Hawaiii.

5. Failure to formally renounce dual citizenship described above and reestablish American citizenship at some point and show proof of same.

Irrelevant, since under both US and Indonesian law, he never lost his US citizenship.

17 posted on 03/12/2009 10:21:03 AM PDT by curiosity
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To: punchamullah
We must keep our arguments accurate, so as not to look silly.

Now you are starting to understand why no one takes the birther movement seriously: all of your arguments are nonsense.

18 posted on 03/12/2009 10:30:55 AM PDT by curiosity
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To: Cheetahcat
Hussein's drunken father was already married when he allegedly got Dunham pregnant so How does that work?

Yeah, his father was a real SOB. Bigamist, drunkard, abandons his son, etc.

19 posted on 03/12/2009 10:34:09 AM PDT by curiosity
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To: curiosity
I have $12.50 to pay for the REAL, Certified. Vault Copy, Birth Certificate!

If the A-Hole refused to show it and has spent hundreds of thousands of Dollars to prevent the EXOPSURE of his REAL Birth Certificate, it is only natural to assume that he has a LOT TO HIDE.

Prove me wrong!

20 posted on 03/12/2009 10:39:53 AM PDT by WellyP (obama must go!)
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To: WellyP
I have $12.50 to pay for the REAL, Certified. Vault Copy, Birth Certificate!

The COLB he showed is just as certified and real as the vault copy and just as good for proving his birth in the US.

If the A-Hole refused to show it and has spent hundreds of thousands of Dollars to prevent the EXOPSURE of his REAL Birth Certificate, it is only natural to assume that he has a LOT TO HIDE.

There's no evidence he's spent a dime.

Prove me wrong!

The burden of proof is on you since you are the one making the accusations.

21 posted on 03/12/2009 10:44:22 AM PDT by curiosity
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To: curiosity

You can not get a U.S. Passport or, in most States a driver’s licence without your REAL Birth Certificate.

I deal only in facts, not BULL S-IT!

Here are the FACTS! http://passportsusa.com/?page_id=209

“...Notice that both of these Hawaiian birth certificates were re-issued. This happens people lose their birth certificates all the time. But the first one does not have a witness or hospital that can validate that individual’s place of birth. That one will cause you problems if you want a U. S. passport. Make sure your birth certificate has all the required information...”

http://passportsusa.com/?page_id=209


22 posted on 03/12/2009 11:03:48 AM PDT by WellyP (obama must go!)
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To: curiosity

“Yeah, his father was a real SOB. Bigamist, drunkard, abandons his son, etc.”

Sounds like a Democrat Osama voter also.


23 posted on 03/12/2009 12:02:58 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Osamabama the Wright kind of Racist!)
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To: curiosity

1. Obama was not born in the United States. The Certification of Live Birth that he posts on his web site proves nothing. Only the original paper certificate can address this issue.

Not ture. The COLB posted on his website is just as good as any other document when it comes proving birth in the US. The State department accepts it, as does any court in the US.

I SIMPLY SAID THAT IT WAS ONE OF SEVERAL WAYS THAT HE COULD BE INELIGIBLE FOR THE PRESIDENCY. WHY WILL HE NOT RELEASE HIS ORGNAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE? NO HOSPITAL IN HAWAII HAS A RECORD OF TREATING A STANLEY ANN DUNHAM. BETWEEN HIM AND HIS SISTER, THEY CLAIM HE WAS BORN IN TWO DIFFERENT HOSPITALS, NEITHER OF WHICH HAS A RECORD. FURTHER, THE COLB HAS A 2007-STYLE BORDER THAT APPEARS TO BE PHOTOSHOPPED, ONE EXPERT SAYS THIS IS A PHOTOSHOPPED VERSION OF HIS SISTER’S COLB.

2. Dual Citizenship issue: Obama could have British and American citizenship due to his father being a British subject at the time of his birth.

He did have dual citizenship at birth, which lapsed when he turned 18. He’s admitted that. However, it is irrelevant. If you disagree, please find the passage in the Constitution that prohibits people who had dual citizenship as babies from being president.

THIS IS ALSO THE BASIS FOR SEVERAL LAWSUITS, SO I WOULD SUSPECT IT TO BE RESEARCHED AND TRUE.

3. Dual Citizenship issue: Obama could have dual citizenship with Indonesia if he was adopted.

Not true. First of all, there is no evidence he was adopted. Second, even if he was, both US and Indonesian law at the time made it impossible for him to have acquired dual citizenship by virtue of adoption.

INDONESIA WAS A DICTATORSHIP AT THE TIME, NO ONE CAME IN AND OUT OF THE COUNTRY WITHOUT PROPER VISAS, NO ONE ENROLLED IN SCHOOLS WITHOUT CITIZENSHIP. REMEMBER, HIS NAME WAS BARRY SAETORO AT THAT TIME.

His school records from Inonesia indicate he was Indonesian.

A single document from a private school lists his citizenship as Indoensian. Assuming the document is authentic (and there’s a good possibility it is not), then it is in error for the reason stated above.

People do, you know, make mistakes when filling out documents.

THEN BARRY OR HIS PARENTS SHOULD HAVE HAD IT CORRECTED, EVEN LONG AFTER THE FACT.

He also traveled to Pakistan, but under what passport?

There is no reason to believe he traveled on any passport other than a US passport.

PAKISTAN WAS ON A STATE DEPARTMENT RESTRICTED TRAVEL LIST DURING THE TIME PERIOD THAT BARRY CLAIMS HE VISITED THERE.

4. Mother’s age at birth. Hawaiian laws on the books at the time of his birth hold that U.S. citizenship may only pass to a child born overseas to a U.S. citizen parent and non-citizen parent if the former was at least 19. Stanley Ann Dunham was only 18 at the time of Obama’s birth.

True, but a moot point, since there is no evidence he was born anywhere other than Hawaiii.

OTHER THAN KENYAN GRANDMOTHER, HALF SISTER, AND A HOST OF KENYAN OFFICIALS WHO INDICATE OTHERWISE.

5. Failure to formally renounce dual citizenship described above and reestablish American citizenship at some point and show proof of same.

Irrelevant, since under both US and Indonesian law, he never lost his US citizenship.

SEE ABOVE.

OBAMA HAS NOW SPENT NEARLY A MILLION DOLLARS IN LAWYER FEES TRYING TO FEND OFF SOMETHING THAT A SIMPLE ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE COULD DISPROVE. WHY WILL HE NOT PRODUCE IT, NOT TO MENTION HIS PASSPORT, HIS COLLEGE RECORDS AND MEDICAL RECORDS? EVEN THE MOST NAIVE AMONG US SHOULD QUESTION THESE IRREGULARITIES. IT SHOULD BE AN OPEN AND CLOSED CASE. SORRY, A QUESTIONABLE COLB DOES NOT GET IT.


24 posted on 03/12/2009 12:58:24 PM PDT by Hillary'sMoralVoid
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

Um, a retired FBI documents expert has stated in deposition in the Keyes CA case that the document posted on the web is unacceptable proof of anything Barry is trying to claim.


25 posted on 03/12/2009 1:02:23 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid
6. Naturalized citizenship - Even if Obama was a "natural born citizen" at birth in Honolulu (or had dual US/British citizenship), when he was formally adopted by Lolo Soetoro, he became an Indonesian citizen exclusively through Indonesian adoption law.
Then when he formally returned to the United States he became a [re]naturalized U.S. citizen.

7. Illegal Alien - When Stanley Dunham married Lolo Soetoro, she became an Indonesian citizen exclusively through Indonesian marriage law; when Lolo formally adopted Stanley's son, barry/Barack became an Indonesian citizen exclusively through Indonesian adoption law. After divorcing Lolo, Stanley and her son simply moved back to Honolulu without going through Immigration -- either through Stanley's ignorance of their status, or in defiance of the law. Barry/Barack never legally re-entered the United States, and has been living in this country since his teens as an illegal alien.

26 posted on 03/12/2009 1:13:22 PM PDT by Dajjal (Obama is an Ericksonian NLP hypnotist.)
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To: MtnClimber

What would it mean if the Obamaessiah used an Indonesian passport to travel to Pakistan? What would be the significance if Obambi cited himself a foreign student to obtain student aide and tuition breaks? How would it effect his allegiance to the Republic if he gamed several systems by using ‘other’ citizenship, then claims U.S. natural born citizenship to be the president? ... All of these legitimate questions are factors of why We The People have a right to demand this lying sack of shiite prove he is a natural born citizen and out Subpreme court clarify the definition of same! BUT, men like Roberts seem to think We The People do not have thet right now, in this post Constitutional Republic.


27 posted on 03/12/2009 1:16:40 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Dajjal

Thank you. Good points both.

The other issue about the COLB is that there is a different standard for the office of President. A Hawaii COLB might get you a driver’s license or a government job, but it does not meet the standard for the presidency.


28 posted on 03/12/2009 1:19:02 PM PDT by Hillary'sMoralVoid
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To: WellyP
According to an email I received yesterday from a friend in Cuba. Barack Obama’s mother was in Cuba as part of a team of American Socialists who went to help Cuba after the revolution. According to them she was pregnant when she left Cuba in December 1960, two months later she married Barack Obama Sr. in Hawaii.

These links go to "friend of a friend" type comments. I'm not saying that it didn't happen that way, but these aren't sufficient evidence to take to an argument with a coworker or family member.

The email at one link has

Ann Durken, mother of Obama, at age 18 visited Cuba , with a group to give support to the Castro government. During her stay in Cuba in 1960, she was involved with voluntary work living in a commune in the central zone of Cuba, where she met a young Cuban Francisco Cundo from the town of Sagua la Grande....When Ann left Cuba in Dec 1960, she was 2 months pregnant. When she went back to Hawaii where her parents lived, she continued her studies at the University of Hawaii in Manoa where she met Barack Obama Sr., with whom she married in Feb. 1961
It doesn't inspire confidence that they misspell Dunham's name.
29 posted on 03/12/2009 1:44:44 PM PDT by sometime lurker
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

PAKISTAN WAS ON A STATE DEPARTMENT RESTRICTED TRAVEL LIST DURING THE TIME PERIOD THAT BARRY CLAIMS HE VISITED THERE.

I must sound like this is on "repeat" and it may get me flamed, but this has been found not correct. There was no US restriction on travel to Pakistan, and several people have posted clear evidence of that. There was a travel advisory which told people that they needed visas to get into Pakistan, and the problems with renewing those visas.

It does us no good to keep repeating points that have been shown to be incorrect.

30 posted on 03/12/2009 1:51:40 PM PDT by sometime lurker
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To: sometime lurker

Um, did Stanley Ann use an alias to travel to Cuba, perhaps ‘Durken’?


31 posted on 03/12/2009 2:06:31 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: sometime lurker

An ad in the NYT for travel to Pakistan is not evidence. Sorry you feel it is. And I have a brother who traveled to Pakistan in that time frame on opthamological business and his hoops to jump through—finally getting approval from Paklistan—testify that it was not a simple task to travel to Pakistan while it was under Martial Law.


32 posted on 03/12/2009 2:11:13 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: sometime lurker

Welcome to FR, n00b.


33 posted on 03/12/2009 2:11:38 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid
WHY WILL HE NOT RELEASE HIS ORGNAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE?

Because he probably doesn't have it. I don't have mine. The original is in the vault in Hawaii. All he can do is request a certified copy of the information on it, which is the COLB he posted on the internet.

NO HOSPITAL IN HAWAII HAS A RECORD OF TREATING A STANLEY ANN DUNHAM.

Hospitals usually don't keep records for 40 years.

BETWEEN HIM AND HIS SISTER, THEY CLAIM HE WAS BORN IN TWO DIFFERENT HOSPITALS, NEITHER OF WHICH HAS A RECORD.

Another unsubstantiated internet rumor.

THE COLB HAS A 2007-STYLE BORDER THAT APPEARS TO BE PHOTOSHOPPED, ONE EXPERT SAYS THIS IS A PHOTOSHOPPED VERSION OF HIS SISTER’S COLB.

Some guy on the internet, who refuses to use his real name, and who claims a Ph.D. in an academic discipline hat does not exist hardly qualifies as an expert.

THIS IS ALSO THE BASIS FOR SEVERAL LAWSUITS, SO I WOULD SUSPECT IT TO BE RESEARCHED AND TRUE.

LOL. Yeah, it's so factual and true just about every lawsuit filed on that basis has been dismissed.

You make a big mistake if assume every lawsuit is well-researched.

INDONESIA WAS A DICTATORSHIP AT THE TIME, NO ONE CAME IN AND OUT OF THE COUNTRY WITHOUT PROPER VISAS,

Yes, there's little doubt he had a proper visa. That doesn't mean he became an Indonesian citizen.

NO ONE ENROLLED IN SCHOOLS WITHOUT CITIZENSHIP. THEN BARRY OR HIS PARENTS SHOULD HAVE HAD IT CORRECTED, EVEN LONG AFTER THE FACT.

How do you know they didn't? You will note that in the AP photo, someone drew a red line diagonally through the form, as if to invalidate it.

Furthermore, even if the form was never corrected, how do you know it wasn't an honest mistake that neither of Bambi's parnets thought needed correcting?

People do make honest mistakes, you know.

PAKISTAN WAS ON A STATE DEPARTMENT RESTRICTED TRAVEL LIST DURING THE TIME PERIOD THAT BARRY CLAIMS HE VISITED THERE.

No it wasn't. Do you ever bother to verify anything you read on the 'net?

OTHER THAN KENYAN GRANDMOTHER,

She never said he was born in Kenya. On the contrary, she is on record in multiple places as saying he was born in Hawaii. Do some research.

HALF SISTER,

I defy you to find a single shred of evidence that either his half sister or any other member of his family claimed he was born in Kenya.

AND A HOST OF KENYAN OFFICIALS WHO INDICATE OTHERWISE

Not a single Kenyan official is on record as claiming he was born in Kenya.

And no, the Kenyan ambassador's interview with that shock-jock talk radioshow host does not count. The ambassodor very clearly later stated after the interview that he mispoke, and that he did not intend to claim Obama was born in Kenya.

OBAMA HAS NOW SPENT NEARLY A MILLION DOLLARS IN LAWYER FEES TRYING TO FEND OFF SOMETHING THAT A SIMPLE ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE COULD DISPROVE.

More unsubstantiated internet rumors.

I'm really curious where this million dollar figure has come from. Where did you hear of it?

34 posted on 03/12/2009 2:20:28 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: WellyP
Here are the FACTS! http://passportsusa.com/?page_id=209

Your link goes to show, yet again, how you can't believe everything you read on the internet.

You will note, that the website is not in any way affiliated with the US state department or any other government agency. That makes any information on it highly suspect. It turns out that it is wrong.

The facts from the state department are as follows:

"A certified birth certificate has a registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar’s signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of your birth."

http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/first/first_830.html

The Hawaii COLB has all of these things.

35 posted on 03/12/2009 2:26:18 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: Dajjal
Even if Obama was a "natural born citizen" at birth in Honolulu (or had dual US/British citizenship), when he was formally adopted by Lolo Soetoro, he became an Indonesian citizen exclusively through Indonesian adoption law.

That is simply not true. I'm amazed at how many factoids that somebody just made up get accepted as gospel around here.

36 posted on 03/12/2009 2:28:24 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: Polarik

Isn’t it interesting that this obamanoid klown is touting the forgery posted on the Internet as Obama’s proof of natral born citizenship! What does it say about a lying sack of shiite when his minions must lie and promote forgeries in order to defend their demigod? ... And what does it say about the minions!


37 posted on 03/12/2009 2:57:03 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: curiosity

“A single document from a private school lists his citizenship as Indoensian. Assuming the document is authentic (and there’s a good possibility it is not), then it is in error for the reason stated above.

People do, you know, make mistakes when filling out documents.”

You have the temerity to write this, and you are willing to credulously accept that fake ass COLB as proof of Hussein’s citizenship??? Were your complicity in covering for Hussein’s crimes not so glaringly apparent, I would be amazed. But your response is PRECISELY why this issue needs to be bought before an appropriate ccourt of law, with all witnesses under oath, subject to cross examination and the documents or certified copies therof subject to examination.

But than again, your side seeks to block such an eventuality on the grounds of legal frivolity or harrasment, rather than the distressing (to you and yours) likelihood that the truth will get Hussein’s lying counterfeit ass kicked out of office.


38 posted on 03/12/2009 3:30:54 PM PDT by DMZFrank
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid; MHGinTN; LucyT; Fred Nerks
There are possibly more issues out there still to be investigated, perhaps willful misconduct on the potential forging of the COLB, etc.

"perhaps willful misconduct on the potential forging of the COLB?"

Don't ya just love it when people are right on top of things, don't ya? I mean, it's only been 10 months.

39 posted on 03/12/2009 4:44:27 PM PDT by Polarik ("A forgery created to prove a claim repudiates that claim")
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

Good points made here. It’s very doubtful that Obama is eligible at all.


40 posted on 03/12/2009 4:48:50 PM PDT by real_patriotic_american
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To: curiosity; Hillary'sMoralVoid

Wrong on all counts.


41 posted on 03/12/2009 4:52:16 PM PDT by calex59
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To: curiosity; WellyP

Sorry, the COLB could have been obtained in any number of ways. His sister has one, and she was born in Indonesia, there is no doubt about that. A COLB proves nothing. Protesting as you are doing however proves that you are actually a troll.


42 posted on 03/12/2009 4:54:50 PM PDT by calex59
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To: calex59
Sorry, the COLB could have been obtained in any number of ways. His sister has one, and she was born in Indonesia, there is no doubt about that.

Yet another birther factoid that somebody just made up. I'm amazed at how many of them are floating around.

A COLB proves nothing.

They why does it say it is prima facie evidence of the fact of birth at the bottom?

Are you seriouslly alleging that the State of Hawaii lies on its officially certified documents?

43 posted on 03/12/2009 4:58:13 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid; MHGinTN; LucyT; Fred Nerks
Not ture. The COLB posted on his website is just as good as any other document when it comes proving birth in the US. The State department accepts it, as does any court in the US.

If you see a guy standing in line in the passport office, and he's carrying his desktop and monitor with him to show the Immigration Officer an image of his birth certificate, that will be curiosity.

44 posted on 03/12/2009 5:00:57 PM PDT by Polarik ("A forgery created to prove a claim repudiates that claim")
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To: DMZFrank
You have the temerity to write this, and you are willing to credulously accept that fake ass COLB as proof of Hussein’s citizenship???

There is no evidence to suggest it's fake, some anonymous blogger with a phony Ph.D.'s absurd claims notwithstanding.

But your response is PRECISELY why this issue needs to be bought before an appropriate ccourt of law, with all witnesses under oath, subject to cross examination and the documents or certified copies therof subject to examination.

Every single judge that has looked at the case disagrees with you. I guess they must all be in on the conspiracy.

45 posted on 03/12/2009 5:03:06 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: Polarik; Admin Moderator
If you see a guy standing in line in the passport office, and he's carrying his desktop and monitor with him to show the Immigration Officer an image of his birth certificate, that will be curiosity.

I would appreciate a courtesy ping when you mention me in a post. That is standard practice here.

46 posted on 03/12/2009 5:05:55 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: Polarik
If you see a guy standing in line in the passport office, and he's carrying his desktop and monitor with him to show the Immigration Officer an image of his birth certificate, that will be curiosity.

Hey, now there's an idea...how about one of us tries it...just out of curiosity to see what happens?

47 posted on 03/12/2009 5:15:40 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid; Amityschild; Calpernia; ~Kim4VRWC's~; 1COUNTER-MORTER-68; ...

Image Vs Reality ping.


48 posted on 03/12/2009 5:29:04 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 52 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: Fred Nerks

I’m curious too! Should I inform the admin moderator?


49 posted on 03/12/2009 5:30:31 PM PDT by widdle_wabbit (Rush Is Right; Does understanding that make me a Conservative?)
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To: curiosity

“Every single judge that has looked at the case disagrees with you. I guess they must all be in on the conspiracy.”

Not on the merits of the case. Almost all these cases have been dismissed on “standing,” with the exception of the Hollister case, as that corrupt idiot Robertson served up grounds for appeal when he cited internet buzz as a substitute for a judicial examination of a legal dispute over an objective fact, i.e, Does Hussein meet the constitutional criteria for president? He has given the plaintiffs ample grounds for appeal.


50 posted on 03/12/2009 5:43:21 PM PDT by DMZFrank
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