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Expert: Drug violence result of lapsed gun control enforcement
Washington Examiner ^ | 03-12-09 | Associated Press

Posted on 03/12/2009 9:59:52 AM PDT by theruleshavechanged

Expert Tom Diaz says that imports of certain semiautomatic rifles were regulated under the first Bush and Clinton administrations. But he told a House panel Wednesday the import rules were relaxed under the most recent Bush administration.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; control; drugs; drugwarconsequences; gun; immigration; mexico; organizedcrime; thankprohibition
Its not the drugs that causes violence, its the guns! Not the corruption, the GUNS! Give me a break. . . .
1 posted on 03/12/2009 9:59:52 AM PDT by theruleshavechanged
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To: theruleshavechanged

A better title: Drug violence result of gun control


2 posted on 03/12/2009 10:03:33 AM PDT by Pantera
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To: theruleshavechanged

Tom Diaz, anti-gunner of the Violence Policy Institute?

Some “expert”.


3 posted on 03/12/2009 10:03:58 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: theruleshavechanged

EXPERT = ex - spurt

i.e. former drip under pressure.


4 posted on 03/12/2009 10:04:31 AM PDT by GoldMan (Never try to rationalize an irrational mind............)
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To: theruleshavechanged
Expert Tom Diaz, lifelong moron.
5 posted on 03/12/2009 10:04:55 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: theruleshavechanged

But he told a House panel Wednesday the import rules were relaxed under the most recent Bush administration.

__________________

Yupper! All Bush’s Fault!


6 posted on 03/12/2009 10:07:14 AM PDT by WakeUpAndVote (FReeping. It's good old fashion fun for the family!)
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To: theruleshavechanged

It’s the billions and billions of dollars being made on the drugs, mostly coming from marijuana sales. They’re fighting over the money and whether they could get guns from here or not they would arm themselves. And the military grade fully automatic weapons and grenades and other military hardware they have is not coming from this country. It’s coming from somewhere else.


7 posted on 03/12/2009 10:09:37 AM PDT by TKDietz
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To: theruleshavechanged
Ri-ight. Just give all the tweekers machetes instead and they'll sit in the corner and be peaceful.

We have been 'fighting' the war on Drugs almost as long as the War on Poverty. Just another quagmire. Until Coke is as cheap as Pepsi, there will be turf wars fighting over who makes the profit. Users aren't going to quit, but sunlight might send the cockroaches scuttling elsewhere.

(No, I do not advocate the use of currently illegal drugs, but we have been doing the same thing for a while now and expecting different results.)

8 posted on 03/12/2009 10:13:02 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: GoldMan

> i.e. former drip under pressure.

Let X = the Unknown, and
Spurt = slow drip under pressure...

(The DownUnder variation of that age-old classic...)


9 posted on 03/12/2009 10:14:53 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: SJSAMPLE
> Tom Diaz, anti-gunner of the Violence Policy Institute?

New Zealand's foremost firearm control Authority and "Gun Expert" here.

All you need to be an "expert" is an Opinion and far too much time on your hands. Anyone can do it -- Alpers has proven it!

10 posted on 03/12/2009 10:23:39 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: theruleshavechanged
As if import were the only way to get guns. I'm convinced that the further to the left anyone is the less they understand technology. Guns do not have to be made in a factory, and they involve no high tech methods. During WWII the British made Sten guns (a nasty little 9MM submachinegune) in basements and garages out of simple tubing and sheet metal with only the bolt being a machined part, and a simple one at that. The AK 47 is only slightly more complex. An average machinist could make a good living producing black market guns. I've even seen a picture of a working revolver that was made in a penitentiary machine shop while the guards weren't looking. Guns are just machines. A prohibition on them produces the same kind of black market that liquor prohibition did in this country once.
11 posted on 03/12/2009 10:38:57 AM PDT by CrazyIvan (If you read only one book this year, read "Stolen Valor".)
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To: Smokin' Joe
We have been 'fighting' the war on Drugs almost as long as the War on Poverty.

Longer. The WOD started very early in the 20th century when southern DemocRats got laws passed to outlaw cocaine because they were seeking new ways to imprison blacks in their plantation/prisons.

12 posted on 03/12/2009 10:39:37 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Socialism is the belief that most people are better off if everyone was equally poor and miserable.)
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To: theruleshavechanged

The only problem I see is the lack of gun USE on the border.


13 posted on 03/12/2009 10:40:07 AM PDT by RC2 (http://www.worldviewradio.com/play.php?EpisodeID=10958)
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To: theruleshavechanged

Drug use and automatic weapons result of porkulus. People on the border are having to get more guns to protect themselves, but since they are losing their homes due to their medical bills they have replaced the prescriptions of anxiety medications with pot because its sold on their street corners cheaper..the guns have been collected by the mexican gangs as the ex homeowners left because they had to pay for the druglords house and could no longer aford insurance for their illnesses. sarc...


14 posted on 03/12/2009 10:41:39 AM PDT by aeonspromise
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To: theruleshavechanged

Drug violence is the result of drug prohibition. Just as alcohol violence was the result of alcohol prohibition (as proven by the fact that the violence ceased once alcohol prohibition was ended.)

Gun prohibition is (would be) just as effective as is (was) drug (alcohol) prohibition at reducing illegal use of the prohibited item/substance: It would be totally ineffective. But it would be at least as effective at engendering even more/worse violence.


15 posted on 03/12/2009 10:47:08 AM PDT by sourcery (Obama Lied. The Economy Died!)
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To: theruleshavechanged

Remember the new acronym:

O ne

B ig

A ss

M istake

A merica!


16 posted on 03/12/2009 11:10:47 AM PDT by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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To: theruleshavechanged

These are some of the most stupid people in the world.

And to think they affect policy... scary indeed.


17 posted on 03/12/2009 11:26:55 AM PDT by wastedyears (April 21st, 2009 - International Iron Maiden Day)
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To: Smokin' Joe
No, I do not advocate the use of currently illegal drugs, but we have been doing the same thing for a while now and expecting different results.

The definition of insanity.

18 posted on 03/12/2009 11:29:25 AM PDT by wastedyears (April 21st, 2009 - International Iron Maiden Day)
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To: sourcery

Except they wouldn’t end firearm prohibition.


19 posted on 03/12/2009 11:31:30 AM PDT by wastedyears (April 21st, 2009 - International Iron Maiden Day)
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To: CrazyIvan
I guess the drug dealers are too honorable to import guns along with the drugs. I mean once guns are banned in the US all drug dealers will comply with the laws. And the Libs spout this nonsense with a straight face. All it will do is make a market for illegal imported or home made guns.
20 posted on 03/12/2009 11:41:10 AM PDT by JimC214
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To: theruleshavechanged
Noted gun rights expert SIDENET thinks that this guy sucks.

(In my expert opinion, of course.)

21 posted on 03/12/2009 11:44:21 AM PDT by SIDENET (I am just a monkey man, I'm glad you are a monkey woman, too.)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ..


22 posted on 03/12/2009 12:06:21 PM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: theruleshavechanged

So the machine guns, grenades and RPG’s the Mexican drug lords are using come from American gun shows? Not that I have seen. Would somebody please tell me a gun show where I can legally buy an RPG? An RPG would be a real hoot at the gun range. “Hey guys, watch THIS!”


23 posted on 03/12/2009 12:09:30 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (I am inconsolate over the death of our country.)
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To: TexasRepublic
An RPG would be a real hoot at the gun range

AN RPG would be a real hoot when the swat teams comes in this

to murder you and your family for daring to have guns or for the hate crime of daring to criticze the messiah, etc.

24 posted on 03/12/2009 12:24:02 PM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: wastedyears
These are some of the most stupid people in the world.

Not stupid; malicious, evil, dishonest.

25 posted on 03/12/2009 12:34:23 PM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: Joe Brower

And he lays it out on the table in a neat pile, the signature of a con artist.


26 posted on 03/12/2009 12:36:07 PM PDT by oyez (People! You're being pimped!)
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To: Smokin' Joe
...currently illegal drugs...
I keep saying this over and over and folks still don't get it...There are no illegal drugs. There are controlled substances.
If you read the Controlled Substance Act (you'll note that it isn't called the Illegal Drugs Act) you'll find that actions taken with controlled substances are what carry penalties.
Controlled Substances Act PART D - OFFENSES AND PENALTIES
(a) Unlawful acts
Except as authorized by this subchapter, it shall be unlawful for any person knowingly or intentionally -
(1) to manufacture, distribute, or dispense, or possess with intent to manufacture, distribute, or dispense, a controlled substance; or
(2) to create, distribute, or dispense, or possess with intent to distribute or dispense, a counterfeit substance.

That is the "meat and potatoes" of the issue.

It is necessary to realize that the government enacted a workaround provision to do what they did. There should have been a Constitutional amendment, just like the 18th, yet this "Act" was enacted into law to allow the government to act under color of law.

Since Congress knew that there would be resistance to such an amendment they went the route that they did. They didn't "prohibit" anything, they just controlled the actions of Americans. And that should give everyone pause. For if one "act" can be penalized then any "act" could potentially be penalized, even an act guaranteed by the Constitution. And if someone might think to say that no such thing is possible I give you...gun control.

27 posted on 03/12/2009 2:46:45 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Joe Brower

Excellent!


28 posted on 03/12/2009 2:48:21 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Smokin' Joe
A side note...
§ 802. Definitions.
(6) The term ''controlled substance'' means a drug or other substance, or immediate precursor, included in schedule I, II, III, IV, or V of part B of this subchapter. The term does not include distilled spirits, wine, malt beverages, or tobacco, as those terms are defined or used in subtitle E of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986.

By this definition any number of things could be deemed a "substance", as there is no definition of "substance", and actions taken with that substance would fall under this Act and warrant a penalty.

29 posted on 03/12/2009 2:57:57 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Smokin' Joe
And one last thing. Do you think the UN had anything to do with the implementation of the Controlled Substance Act? Most people, in their ignorance, would say...NO.
Well, they're wrong!
The Congress makes the following findings and declarations:
(7) The United States is a party to the Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs, 1961, and other international conventions designed to establish effective control over international and domestic traffic in controlled substances.

Yes, Mr. and Mrs. America, all of these "drug problems" are brought to you by none other that the meddling, sovereignty stealing bureaucrats of the UN.
They've been helping you since 1961!

30 posted on 03/12/2009 3:03:41 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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(5) The term ''control'' means to add a drug or other substance, or immediate precursor, to a schedule under part B of this subchapter, whether by transfer from another schedule or otherwise.
31 posted on 03/12/2009 3:06:40 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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PART B - § 811 (a)
Except as provided in subsections (d) and (e) of this section, the Attorney General may by rule -
(1) add to such a schedule or transfer between such schedules any drug or other substance if he -
(A) finds that such drug or other substance has a potential for abuse, and

I'm sure liberals can think of lots of "substances" that can potentially be abused...like gunpowder.

United Nations International Study on Firearm Regulation
Incidents involving firearm abuse continue to be an issue of international concern.

32 posted on 03/12/2009 3:19:19 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: TexasRepublic

...substantian quantities of illegally manufactured automatic weapons come from pakistan, india, and other ‘turd world countries. many of these weapons, seized, have no mfg. name or serial nos. on them....

...obviously, mexico has a thriving, world-wide, arms import muggling business going on...

...hell, even americans cn’t get the damn things (much as we’d like to own ‘em)...

msm reports are just antigun agitprop


33 posted on 03/12/2009 4:26:23 PM PDT by telstar12.5 (...always bring bigger guns to a gun fight...)
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To: SJSAMPLE
Tom Diaz, anti-gunner of the Violence Policy Institute?

It's the Violence Policy Center.

But yes, that's the dude. Ex staffer for Chuckles the Cereal Killer.

They, along with the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, Freedom States Alliance, Legal Community Against Violence, and States United to Prevent Gun Violence didn't take long to start dancing in the blood of the Alabama tragedy and calling for "the U.S. Congress to pass a federal assault weapons ban modeled on California’s effective law that would ban these weapons once and for all.

(Except for criminals who would buy smuggled in full auto AKs).

Man, I hope my AR kit, I've already got the stripped lower, arrives before the ban. Ditto the ammo and back up sights, I also have on order. Ammo is promissed to be shipped next week. Now I wish I'd ordered twice as much.

34 posted on 03/12/2009 5:06:24 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: philman_36

Thank you for that clarification.


35 posted on 03/12/2009 9:07:48 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Thank you for that clarification.
The opposition has controlled the terminology for so long that it's understandable why so many are so confused.

As for adding things as a substance to the listings, think of how normally rational people have been persuaded to believe that a fetus isn't a human being and is simply a blob of tissue.
Nobody should discount anything as impossible.

36 posted on 03/13/2009 3:37:47 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: El Gato

I’m almost done with my third AR build.

Ammo has gone through the roof.
I thought I was safe, since I’ve been reloading 5.56mm for nearly 20 years, but components are expensive and almost impossible to find. I’ve got around 5K of factory ammo in storage, but even that isn’t enough.


37 posted on 03/13/2009 5:29:06 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: philman_36
Nobody should discount anything as impossible.

True, that. I still grate at "assault weapon" when not referring to a select fire military arm, and still, the phrase is virtually meaningless. We do ourselves a great disservice when we allow those who are apparently ignorant of firearms to frame the debate for the more knowledgeable, and unfortunately, catchy 'sound byte' phraseology dominates discussions which would be better served by an absence of inflamatory rhetoric, regardless of topic.

The widespread ignorance of 'conventional wisdom' would never survive without the buzzwords, nor would the purveyors thereof.

Now, as substances go, consider dihydrogen monoxide. That stuff is incredibly addictive. They start children at birth (actually, in the womb! because their parents are addicted), and while a few overdose, most simply cannot quit. Withdrawal symptoms appear to be universally lethal...(I know, don't get them started...)

38 posted on 03/13/2009 9:42:00 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Now, as substances go, consider dihydrogen monoxide. That stuff is incredibly addictive.

True enough. But if you want even more incredibly addictive you have to go to ethanol dihydrogen monoxide. Either through solidification or liquefaction, you've got a real monster there if it isn't properly regulated by the individual.
{;^)

39 posted on 03/14/2009 1:25:04 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: theruleshavechanged

Which import regs were relaxed?


40 posted on 03/14/2009 10:00:05 AM PDT by DMG2FUN
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To: theruleshavechanged
ONE ... MORE ... TIME:

ONLY the law abiding, abide by laws!

41 posted on 03/14/2009 10:17:39 AM PDT by Let's Roll (Stop paying ACORN to destroy America! Cut off their government funding!)
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To: Joe Brower

Yep.


42 posted on 03/28/2009 1:02:39 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse ( unite)
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To: Joe Brower
A gun control expert

Which in leftist circles means anybody who can drool with their eyes open.

Federal officials say about 90 percent of guns seized in Mexican organized crimes came from the U.S.

If this were even remotely true, it should read like this:

Federal officials say about 90 percent of guns seized in Mexican organized crimes came from the U.S. illegal aliens who cross into America with impunity, set up criminal organizations, with impunity of course, criss-cross our 'sovereign borders' (trying not to laugh), with impunity of course, conducting business with impunity. (Of Course)

America is an international flophouse for the worst types in this world. Give me your terrorists, your Muslims (well, we even elected one), and your third world thugs.

43 posted on 03/29/2009 5:28:38 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse ( unite)
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