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Madness, from D.C. to Denver (NOW, we can take over Agriculture - or at least TAX IT TO DEATH)
summit daily ^ | March 10 | Liddick

Posted on 03/13/2009 9:15:06 AM PDT by jessduntno

Have we all suddenly gone mad? Have our wits suddenly deserted us? Has common sense been completely routed from our lives? The indications are not good.

In a little-noticed verdict last week, a U.S. District Court of Appeals has decided that the Clean Air Act requires the Environmental Protection Agency to act against farmers who endanger public health by kicking up dust in the course of their business. Expect anti-dust regulations and fines to follow.

For those unfamiliar with pastoral activities, allow me to enlighten: I grew up on a farm, and can personally attest that most types of agriculture require close contact with dirt. Especially for the dry-land types of farming that produce most of the world’s cereal crop, a cloud of dust is the unavoidable consequence of preparing the land for planting. Even using the most modern and minimal cultivation techniques, it’s a grimy business.

But the Big Wazoos of regulation in the District of Columbia don’t care about details. According to the EPA’s spokesperson, the agency’s goal is “to protect public health,” so the dust must go. How that will be done is somewhat less clear. Perhaps gigantic plastic sheets to trap the noxious stuff before it offends the nostrils of those who eat what farmers grow?

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This would be a hilarious illustration of regulatory dogmatism gone wild if it was the sole example of bureaucrats and politicians acting as though we live in a simple and ideal world instead of the messy and complicated one we actually inhabit. Unfortunately …

Here in Colorado, we have our own examples of the stunning absence of reason. Like our governor, who takes steps to raise tax revenue by tens of millions, but insists his actions do not constitute a “tax increase.” The illogic of that statement is so powerful that even the Democrat-packed State Supreme Court can’t figure out a way to agree with him.

Or SB 170, the “Illegal Alien Educational Support Act.” I know, that’s not its title, but it should be: The bill proposes that, out of some addled sense of “fairness,” illegal aliens in Colorado should be able to attend our public universities at the taxpayer-subsidized in-state rate of tuition. How the security and integrity of our country’s borders will be enhanced by offering further enticements to those who wish to enter and remain here illegally is a bit beyond me. Unless, of course the actual worry is the flood of immigration from Wyoming and Utah, in which case offering favor to citizens of other countries instead of those from neighboring states makes perfect sense. I await the airing of this argument, I fear in vain.

And there’s the “FASTER” issue, which allows for tolling of existing roads for the purpose of granting money to the black hole of the Denver FasTrack system. That provision (43-4-812 sub. 2) is on page 53 more-or-less, where “highway maintenance” is defined by legislative fiat to include subsidies for mass transit. This credulity-straining definition is what was behind the gleam of avarice in Mayor Hickenlooper’s eye when the tolling of Peña Boulevard came up. Evidently, someone neglected to mention that the road was actually federally administered, so setting up booths would be a little … complicated.

The above are only a few examples of the illogic, bad sense and failure to acknowledge reality that seem to be proliferating through our leadership class like the flu in a kindergarten. And while it would be mildly diverting if this small madness was limited to fripperies like allowing electric motorcycles to “share the road,” when it tips into the delusional skewing of the tax base to support a “new energy economy,” we are all affected, and not for the better.

Fortunately, there still may be time to counteract this epidemic before we all are infected. Plain speaking is a good antidote; insisting that politicians call taxes taxes, and that they be clear about who is disadvantaged and who favored by legislation is a beginning. Calling for commonsense solutions to problems is a soporific as well; at the very least, trying to cure a national problem caused by promiscuous extension of easy credit through providing even easier credit at taxpayers’ expense is something that requires careful and detailed explanation.

Above all, we should remember the old lessons: that life owes you nothing, that you receive what you earn, and that prudence, sacrifice and optimism are necessary to success. Also, that dirt is not a deadly toxin.

We should understand as well that panic is a species of madness, and that those who seek to exploit it may have reasons for doing so unrelated to our welfare. They should be watched, carefully.

It’s only common sense.

1 posted on 03/13/2009 9:15:06 AM PDT by jessduntno
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To: jessduntno

“It’s only common sense...”

Sigh...not gonna work with Marxists who want to control every important facet of life in America...


2 posted on 03/13/2009 9:16:23 AM PDT by jessduntno (David Ogden opposes Parental Notification for 14-year old girls aborting their babies.)
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To: jessduntno

Control of the food is control of the people.


3 posted on 03/13/2009 9:17:56 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: jessduntno

democrats use environmentalism to control capitalism.


4 posted on 03/13/2009 9:18:29 AM PDT by ken21 (the only thing we have to fear is fdr deja vu.)
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To: cripplecreek
Soylent Green Is People!
5 posted on 03/13/2009 9:19:17 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: jessduntno

“In declining states the leadership intuitively choses the most harmful course of action.”- A Great Historian 1888


6 posted on 03/13/2009 9:19:25 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: jessduntno

My garden will be important this year.


7 posted on 03/13/2009 9:19:39 AM PDT by RobRoy
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To: jessduntno

We have a Mugabe clone as in the white house..


8 posted on 03/13/2009 9:21:07 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: jessduntno

I better start working on my subterranean farming equipment.


9 posted on 03/13/2009 9:21:26 AM PDT by tractorman
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To: cripplecreek

Every day this becomes more serious...I am afraid that we may not recover from this administration’s Marxism if we don’t act...

TEA PARTY ANYONE????


10 posted on 03/13/2009 9:21:50 AM PDT by jessduntno (David Ogden opposes Parental Notification for 14-year old girls aborting their babies.)
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To: tractorman

“Above all, we should remember...that dirt is not a deadly toxin.”

Unfreakingbelievable...I never thought I would see this happen to my country...NEVER...


11 posted on 03/13/2009 9:23:22 AM PDT by jessduntno (David Ogden opposes Parental Notification for 14-year old girls aborting their babies.)
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To: jessduntno

TEA PARTY??!!

HOW ABOUT LEAD PARTY!!!


12 posted on 03/13/2009 9:24:27 AM PDT by McKayopectate
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To: RobRoy
My garden will be important this year.

I'm digging a trench for a retaining wall so I can double the size of mine. It should be done this weekend. My kitchen table is covered with trays of seedlings. Most years I've just done a couple of tomato plants, but it's time to get serious.

13 posted on 03/13/2009 9:25:45 AM PDT by nina0113 (Hugh Akston is my hero.)
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To: jessduntno
When the government takes over the food supply and as we have been seeing for some time ... the creation of hybrid seeds and the loss of heritage seeds being available ...

It put government/or co operations in the catbird seat ... doesn't it?

We as a people are entirely too trusting and gullible. MO!

To our own enslavement or destruction. Naivety is foolish ... indeed. Those that see, are called radical extremist, dangerous, conspirators

14 posted on 03/13/2009 9:25:49 AM PDT by geologist (The only answer to the troubles of this life is Jesus. A decision we all must make.)
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To: jessduntno

The libtards who support this crap will be able to judge for themselves. What’s more harmfull, dust from the fields or starvation?


15 posted on 03/13/2009 9:26:17 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: McKayopectate

I can’t help but think about the line Eleen Rilpey uttered in Aliens:

“Have IQs dropped sharply since I’ve been away?”


16 posted on 03/13/2009 9:26:25 AM PDT by Braak (The US Military, the real arms inspectors!)
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To: jessduntno

It’s what the farmers voted for.


17 posted on 03/13/2009 9:26:59 AM PDT by rabidralph
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To: jessduntno
Just a little advice for our Marxist overlords. I grew up among farmers. I know how they think, from the Democrat leaning Farmer's Union, to the moderate to conservative Farm Bureau to those on either extreme.

One thing they will not put up with, all across the spectrum, is heavy handed government attempts to drive them out of business. They are stubborn, independent people. I've seen them shoot and bury hogs rather than sell at losing prices, even if in means they lose more by collecting nothing than selling.

How long do you think your centers of power in the big cities will last if they decide to start doing this on a large scale? How many of your "constituents" collecting welfare checks and buying drugs and booze have the expertise or even the ambition to run these farms if you send them out to take them over like your idealogical buddy Mugabe did in Zimbabwe?

Most farmers I grew up with can survive a very long time without anything from the cities. How long do you suppose the cities can survive without anything from the rural areas?

18 posted on 03/13/2009 9:27:27 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or, are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: jessduntno

I saw that on Fox News about combining fields and ‘dust’ just a few minutes ago.
Spray fieids with water...one solution (scream!)...but their worry was not enough water to do that...duh...you can’t combine when crops are wet!
Combine at night....duh...being dry is the whole point...nightime has dampness usually.
I shouldn’t write when I am this frustrated! I need to calm down.


19 posted on 03/13/2009 9:29:21 AM PDT by Sistyelder
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To: cripplecreek

Farmers should immediately triple their prices until Congress gets the message to FO.


20 posted on 03/13/2009 9:29:58 AM PDT by Made In The USA (Liberalism is a sign of stupidity.)
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To: jessduntno
Sorry there is nothing “We The People” can do about it. As happened in Rome when the Republic failed it is also in the process of failing here. The anti-American left in the Government wants to destroy this country and they are starting to do a good job in their process. All food will have to be imported if any in allowed so all of us should have a small garden to grow some so we can at least live for a short time.

As the new tax on all energy comes up (it will be here soon) the price of electricity and all other energy will go up by several thousand % and as it is called cap and trade we will be the people who are required to freeze or starve or die of heat because of the anti-American pro Communist left.

21 posted on 03/13/2009 9:33:46 AM PDT by YOUGOTIT (I will always be a Soldier)
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To: jessduntno

You can get the counties to help fight against this by demanding that they pave all dirt roads. This would drive them nuts and maybe leave the farmers alone. EPA is a bunch of fools and should be disolved.


22 posted on 03/13/2009 9:33:48 AM PDT by RC2 (http://www.worldviewradio.com/play.php?EpisodeID=10958)
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To: SJackson

Ping


23 posted on 03/13/2009 9:34:50 AM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: jessduntno
Have we all suddenly gone mad? Have our wits suddenly deserted us? Has common sense been completely routed from our lives?

Yes.

Welcome to the wonderful world of Democrat control of the White House and both houses of Congress. We've got at least two more years of this crap.

24 posted on 03/13/2009 9:35:51 AM PDT by colorado tanker (Oh my God, am I hoping for change.)
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To: jessduntno
I have kinfolks who are wheat farmers and cattle ranchers around Burlington and Cheyenne Wells. They will really like this EPA law.

Sarc/off

25 posted on 03/13/2009 9:36:48 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (14. Guns only have two enemies: rust and politicians.)
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To: cripplecreek
The libtards who support this crap will be able to judge for themselves. What’s more harmfull, dust from the fields or starvation?

The lunatics have definitely taken over the asylum.

26 posted on 03/13/2009 9:37:28 AM PDT by Bitsy
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To: tractorman
I better start working on my subterranean farming equipment.

You can still farm above ground just buy the equipment to flood your fields before you cut, dry and bale hay.

27 posted on 03/13/2009 9:38:31 AM PDT by TYVets
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To: McKayopectate
HOW ABOUT LEAD PARTY!!!

If the people lead, the leaders will (eventually) follow...

28 posted on 03/13/2009 9:41:48 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 53 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: colorado tanker

I am about through Atlas Shrugged (just finished reading John Galts three hour speech).

It is amazing how the book reflects today’s reality.

Perhaps we need to go Galt. Any place to hide in Colorado
:-)


29 posted on 03/13/2009 9:42:17 AM PDT by sleepwalker (Palin 2012)
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To: jessduntno
Sahara dust blows over the United States

"... Cahill warns that the African dust could confound efforts by the Environmental Protection Agency to limit pollution from airborne fine particles. The agency is considering setting standards for particles below 2.5 micrometers in size. Natural sources could violate such standards on days when air currents carry large amounts of Saharan dust, says Cahill.

'It just shows that when it comes to fine particles, we're all one world,' he says. Indeed, researchers from Mauna Loa Observatory on Hawaii find that dust storms from China and Mongolia reach Hawaii about 20 times a year, cutting down on visibility there."


Dust Storms Overseas Carry Contaminants to U.S.

"... 'No one in authority really wants to hear about this problem, even when it is known that African dust sporadically exceeds EPA air standards in places like Miami during the summer months,' Shinn said in a letter recently. "No government agency wants to face this problem because no one knows what to do about it..."


30 posted on 03/13/2009 9:43:16 AM PDT by EdReform (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed *NRA*JPFO*SAF*GOA*SAS*CCRKBA)
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To: Vigilanteman

One word:

Ukraine


31 posted on 03/13/2009 9:43:27 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 53 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: sleepwalker

“Perhaps we need to go Galt. Any place to hide in Colorado”

Just don’t raise any dust getting there...


32 posted on 03/13/2009 9:43:40 AM PDT by jessduntno (David Ogden opposes Parental Notification for 14-year old girls aborting their babies.)
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To: cripplecreek

These folks want to cause famines for the good of the people.


33 posted on 03/13/2009 9:45:45 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: null and void
If the people lead, the leaders will (eventually) follow...

I'm talking about the 12 gauge variety...
34 posted on 03/13/2009 9:48:36 AM PDT by McKayopectate
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To: ken21

Environmentalism is the new communism.

It’s no secret that many of the former communists in Europe joined in with various environmental movements following the demise of the Soviet Union.


35 posted on 03/13/2009 9:48:56 AM PDT by St. Louis Conservative
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To: McKayopectate
I tried to provide you some cover from the USSS.
36 posted on 03/13/2009 9:50:28 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 53 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: jessduntno

But the Big Wazoos of regulation in the District of Columbia don’t care about details. According to the EPA’s spokesperson, the agency’s goal is “to protect public health,” so the dust must go. How that will be done is somewhat less clear. Perhaps gigantic plastic sheets to trap the noxious stuff before it offends the nostrils of those who eat what farmers grow?


I don't have a problem with the dust. Those who do can wear a friggin' dust mask. The EPA needs to get its head out of it ass.

37 posted on 03/13/2009 9:50:41 AM PDT by EdReform (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed *NRA*JPFO*SAF*GOA*SAS*CCRKBA)
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To: Oratam
It appears so...

More Freedom Attack, Food Safety Act - HR 875

38 posted on 03/13/2009 9:58:32 AM PDT by Pipe Dog
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To: jessduntno

Actually, the blame for this goes back a long way. It was that jackass Richard Nixon who established the Environmental Protection Agency, in order to make himself look better to liberals. (A lot of good that did.)

And it was G. W. Bush who failed to clean out these agencies, so they continued to publish damaging regulations all through his eight years in office. (Again, a lot of votes that got him from the environmentalists.)

Obama hasn’t even had time to worsen these agencies. But they’re still packed full of clintonoids and carterites, who now think they have come into their own. This stuff was already starting when Bush became a lame duck.


39 posted on 03/13/2009 10:00:46 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: null and void

No more pussyfooting...bring ‘em on!


40 posted on 03/13/2009 10:16:56 AM PDT by McKayopectate
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To: jessduntno

I hope they know hunger sometime but it really will be the already poor and helpless that will go hungry while they stuff their guts and tax everyone saying that it is to help the poor and helpless.


41 posted on 03/13/2009 10:24:01 AM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: sleepwalker
Perhaps we need to go Galt. Any place to hide in Colorado

Except the Rats are in charge here too and their enviro-wackos would never let it be built!

42 posted on 03/13/2009 10:26:17 AM PDT by colorado tanker (Oh my God, am I hoping for change.)
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To: jessduntno

The “Department of Food” is an inevitability if the political class is to achieve total dominance over the population.


43 posted on 03/13/2009 10:28:29 AM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: jessduntno
According to this article,

....the U.S. District Court of Appeals in Washington ruled Tuesday that the EPA had already provided the evidence necessary to determine farm dust "likely is not safe.".......

So it seems the courts will allow the EPA to regulate "dust" because it "might" be unsafe.
44 posted on 03/13/2009 10:30:58 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: Iowa Granny; Ladysmith; Diana in Wisconsin; JLO; sergeantdave; damncat; phantomworker; joesnuffy; ..

If you’d like to be on or off this Upper Midwest/outdoors/rural list please FR mail me. And ping me is you see articles of interest.


45 posted on 03/13/2009 10:44:04 AM PDT by SJackson (a tax cut is non-targeted…no guarantee…they’re free to invest anywhere that they want, J Kerry)
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To: Gabz; gardengirl

Gardening - Dirt Cloud Ping


46 posted on 03/13/2009 11:04:51 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Girlene

“likely is not safe.” So it seems the courts will allow the EPA to regulate “dust” because it “might” be unsafe.”

Yeah. It is LIKELY these guys writing this law are morons...


47 posted on 03/13/2009 12:05:53 PM PDT by jessduntno (Obama signing legislation; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm1Jyusyoqk)
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To: jessduntno; Diana in Wisconsin; gardengirl; girlangler; SunkenCiv; HungarianGypsy; Gabz; ...
Garden ping.................

Yeah. It is LIKELY these guys writing this law are morons...

Actually it is far MORE likely those writing this are morons than the dust could ever even "likely" be unsafe.

48 posted on 03/13/2009 12:47:34 PM PDT by Gabz
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To: SJackson

Thank you for pinging me.


49 posted on 03/13/2009 1:04:56 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: Gabz

Actually it is far MORE likely those writing this are morons than the dust could ever even “likely” be unsafe. <<

You are correct.....

Thanks for the ping.


50 posted on 03/13/2009 1:09:55 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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